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Time to Face the Music

Mortimer.CA writes "The Toronto Star has an article up about the ailing recording industry with some possible scenarios for solving the problem(s). Choice quotation: 'We must ask ourselves what Elvis would do to stop the theft of music via the Internet, now so widespread and so brazen that it makes the Baghdad looters look like trick-or-treaters.'"

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  1. Okayyyyy by ELCarlsson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, so according to the write up swapping some songs on the internet is better than breaking into a Baghdad museum and making off with priceless historical artifacts. Hrm...next you'll be telling me that murderers are getting lighter sentences than those violating the DMCA.

  2. The "Recording" Industry is Fine by dgenr8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the RECORDING industry that's ailing -- it's the MEDIA DISTRIBUTION industry. Artists will always need good studios, producers, technicians, and equipment. The RIAA is misnamed. Their weakening stranglehold on the distibution of the final product (bits) is the only reason they get a piece of the pie, and not a flat fee (like the tour bus driver).

  3. The REAL solution? by DMaster0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps this article (and many similar ones written this week) should be read first before taking the first article with a grain of "downloading is bad" salt.

    http://www.antimusic.com/news/03/april/item19.sh tm l

    The way the indie promotion business works is record labels pay the indie promoters to work directly with radio stations to get songs on the air. It is estimated that this system can cost over a $1 million to land a song on Top 40 radio.


    A million dollars a song? No, there's no way you can lose money doing THAT with homogenized bland "sounds like" radio, is there?

    An open note to record companies: Downloading is not hurting you as much as you're hurting yourself (and your audience indirectly) with the payola and other fat inside the company.

    Want to make money again? Stop paying for radio to sound homogenic. Stop paying everyone and their grandmother bribes to tell people that the music you paid too much to record (michael jackson's invincible is a good one) doesn't suck and it's worth getting 40 spins a day on the top 100 stations in the US. Make programming directors at radio stations do their job and discover new music again, and break the stuff that needs to be broken, and let the copycat mainstream music stay on MTV, where they're content to just use what they're paid to play.

    Give Radio back to the people, and you'll see that people want your music again, and it won't always be just the stuff you force feed them. If the same 25 songs weren't put on a loop with commercials on most radio stations, you'd see more than the same 25 albums being sold, and you'd likely not need to pay a million bucks a song (and with the typical 5 single album, that's 5 mil in useless waste, multiplied by perhaps 100 albums a year, that's half a billion dollars in useless waste, isn't it?).

    Amazing where you can find profits these days, isn't it?

  4. Reasonable Prices by LordBodak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's that simple. The music industry is pricing itself out of business. Why do I have to pay $15 for a CD with an hour of music when I can spend only a little more to get a DVD... 2 hour movie, often 2 or 3 hours of bonus material, feature commentaries (another 2 hours each). Start selling CDs at reasonable prices and sales will go up, piracy will go down.

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    1. Re:Reasonable Prices by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've seen this DVD price comparison trotted out quite a bit. DVDs are definitely a good value for the money, and I definitely agree that CDs are overpriced, but the DVD comparison leaves out one part of the equation:

      With a DVD, the cost-recovery for the initial project has normally already been done in the form of a theatrical release. This is where the studios normally recoup the costs of making the film. The DVD has some additional production costs, but those are generally built into the price of the DVD. You could hold up straight-to-video releases as an exception, but those are normally dogs anyway (or at least films that don't warrant the expense required for a full theatrical release), and wouldn't support a higher price. These "bargain-bin" releases are an attempt to recover at least some of the film's production costs.

      With CDs, however, there is no theatrical release. CD sales are the only (well, primary anyway) means for the label to recover not only the costs of recording that album, but to support artist discovery and all the bands they paid for that didn't make it (essentially the same as R&D costs factored into the cost of software or computer hardware).

      I agree that the RIAA is corrupt, screws the majority of their artists, and that CDs are overpriced. I also agree that lowering the price of a CD would do wonders for the music industry; the ease of digital transfer has lowered the effective value of music, but the industry has refused to acknowledge that, instead resorting to purchasing legislation that supports their outdated business model.

      The best solution would be for musicians to realize that they truly have more power than they used to. The major labels are still needed for promotion and distribution, but they certainly aren't doing the work they used to do, specifically artist development*. As a result, they shouldn't be making the same profit/cut they used to. Unfortunately, we're dealing with a group that has immense political and economic power, that is extremely resistant to change, customer-hostile, and entrenched.

      And that's never an easy thing to change.

      *There are a few exceptions like Britney, but the only way to get real artist development these days is to either be signed directly by the CEO or have a multi-platinum first album. Many bands that are now considered classics (especially in the no-airplay album rock field) wouldn't survive today's environment.

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  5. Re: Good news, the rip off is almost over! by BroncoInCalifornia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We pay $16 for a CD that costs almost nothing to make. Most artists do not get a cent from CD sales.

    The artist have to pay "expenses" first. These include a breakage fee to cover the cost of broken shellack 78 RPM disks!

    Music would be better if the big 5 recording companies all went tits up.

    We would have a better selection of Music. More artists would actually get paid.

    The technology now exists for decentralised music distribution.

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  6. Re:Elvis was a thief! by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Elvis probably would have sided with the RIAA once Hilary and Jack convinced him (in a barbituate-induced mental stupor) that by fighting mp3s he was fighting communism. But for him to be invoked as a fighter against "piracy" is ludicrous, since he built his career on the open theft of black music. His work is a perfect case study in how copyright law benefits the real pirates over the real artists. I won't say Elvis wasn't great - he was an incredible performer and artistically he made many of the songs his own - but his greatness was built on the kind of theft and piracy that copyright law should be designed to prevent, yet instead was used to encourage.

  7. A least one good point by Simon+Lyngshede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really like the comment on the radio part. My local radio station claims to be playing hit after hit. Which is true, to bad they play the same hit over and over again. If you don't like the music which has been defined as hits this week, well to bad, you're going to hate what their playing on the radio then. I would agree with what they claim in the article, the radios doesn't play enough different music.

    Another problem which they don't cover is the fact that the music industry doesn't give its customers what they want. If they don't know what we want, it's because they don't listen. We keep telling them what we want and they keep ignoring us. We want cheap downloadable music. The music should be available in the formats we like, not some weirdo proprietary file format. It must be available in high quality, 128kbps is not nearly enough. Most importantly, the selection needs to be huge, just like we see on the p2p networks. Also the website where we buy the music should remember what we bought, just in case we lose the file and needs to re-download it. No other industry can survive ingoring the wishes of their customer, I don't see what make the music indutry so unique.

    Why don't they try to make music something you buy on impulse, just like chewing gum in the supermarket. If I hear a song in the radio or on tv, my only shoot at getting this song, while I remember it, is via some p2p network. Why the music indutry doesn't see profit in this is beyond me.

  8. Re:Ive said it before.... by dirk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How exactly would this solve the problem? What would happen is people would subscribe, download the files, and then put them in their Kazaa shared folder. Most people would still use Kazaa, since you now have high quality MP3s from the "official" service on Kazaa for free. Why should they pay when someone else will and share it for free?

    The real problem is most people want something for nothing. They want to be able to get the songs for free instead of having to pay for them. If they offer non-DRM caopies of the songs for download, these will just be made available for free, so most people still won;t pay.

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  9. Re:Living Colour put it best... by coso · · Score: 4, Insightful
    WWED? Elvis at his best would have realized that it's what the kids want to do. Exposure via p2p = album sales in whatever medium the user should prefer? Wanna download the mp3's for 10 songs for 5 bucks? sure? burn your friends copies? such a nice guy. It's free publicity. How hard is it to understand that exposure via friends / word of mouth is some of the most powerful around. p2p and IM allow for cheap exposure most artists couldn't get otherwise. Elvis would have chatted with his fans on-line; posted movies in quicktime and mpeg, and provided mp3s of rare and hard to find tracks to members of his fan club for a small yearly fee. Elvis would have sold DVDs of his movies; and DVD's of his concerts? He'd of utilitied his cult of personality for fun and profit in a way that people like Wil Wheaton or Mighty Shatner have done. Shatner is a vintage fellow at this point, but he's on board with the net. And Wil? He's fucking Wesley for crissakes. He's even got Amiga Video Toaster cred.

    He should come back and haunt some of these RIAA assholes into understanding that copy protection and DRM are useless. If you can hear the music, you can copy it. It just takes one and it's out there. But it's no big deal if there is a reasonably priced, legal option. Most people aren't total assholes. Elvis' corpse would get that in it's current decayed state. It's just that simple.

  10. Re:Well... by ArcticCelt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree with you. It is true that the MP3 revolution have hurt some poor millionaire that now need to cut on their budget for drugs, big cars and prostitutes. Nevertheless, many engineers and technicians have a job now has hardware developer in the new mp3 and digital multimedia industrie. Downloading mp3's is illegal only because there is a law that say it so. Just change the law and the problem is solved; there will be no more stealing and the money will go to a group of more deserving people. I play music myself and I have some stuff that people download. But I do it for the love of the music and when people download my songs for free I feel honored and appreciated.

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  11. Re:Well, if the Baghdad looters... by penguin_dance · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's interesting that they bring up the Baghdad looters. I've thought about it and, while it's too bad when they went after a museum (possibly done by insiders) and the zoo animals, I felt the looters were JUSTIFIED in taking from the government buildings and Ba'ath party members. That government STOLE from the people so they could have their gold toilets and fixtures. The people were just taking back what should have been rightfully theirs in the first place.

    And like an oppressive government, The RIAA doesn't want their distribution and king-maker monopoly to crumble. It would be one thing it it were artist's interests that they were truly protecting, but it's obviously not. This 1999 Salon article is about who owns the digital rights (such as the website, customer database and merchandising). Guess who wants to get their hands on it?

    This quote from the article:
    "Traditionally, record labels have brought in the lion's share of their revenues by selling records, often using Draconian contracts to minimize the artists' take of the profits. Record labels took ownership of the music, its marketing and sales, reserving only a tiny percentage of the take for the artists. So, the artists made their money by merchandising ancillary products, like concert tickets or T-shirts."
    ...
    But most record labels salivate over the idea of a mailing list of 100,000 fans, for multiple reasons. A list of fans of the Backstreet Boys, for example, could easily be used to promote another upcoming pop boy band -- this is what is known as data mining, and is a hot topic within the record industry. As Marc Schiller, CEO of Electric Artists, puts it, "The label wants the data not necessarily for the artist -- they are looking for that data for their artists who are similar to that artist. Should you use one artist's leverage to create a database of consumers that is used for other artists? That is going to become more controversial."

    One question: Isn't Canada also one country that charges a tax on CD-Rs allegedly to pay back record companies for MP3 trading? Which leads to independent artists are being taxed for doing their own records instead of playing the record contract game.

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  12. Music Collections by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (pretend the following is in italics)

    Some 17-year-olds I know have vast music collections but have yet to purchase their first CD.

    (okay, you can stop pretending now)

    Fair enough, but I know of a 42-year-old who has bought hundreds of pieces of music over his lifetime, but only has about 20 in his possession right now.

    Lets see... there were 120+ albums that became nostalgia pieces when CD's hit the mainstream. Various CD's that got scratched or broken. Cassettes that met a sad demise in a hot car in the Texas sun. 8-Tracks... hell, we won't even talk about them.

    Point being, the music industry keeps insisting that I'm not buying the actual music, just a limited license to listen to said music. Fine, but in that case I'm going to insist that I own that license forever, regardless of whether or not I still own the physical medium the music was recorded on. As long as I didn't give it away or resell it, it's still mine.

    Until the music industry offers to replace all this stuff for free when it breaks or wears out, I'm going to keep hitting the P2P networks to get copies of the stuff I've already paid for.

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  13. Re:Ive said it before.... by hiryuu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lucky for me we have a store called cd warehouse nearby that buys the crap I don't listen to anymore, and sells me used CD's for $5-$9.

    See, that's what I don't get about the labels. $15 is an iffy purchase price for a CD, as far as I'm concerned, but won't likely stop me. If it's above that price, there's a good chance I won't touch it except on sale, at places that sell below normal (like Best Buy), or used.

    If a CD is $10, then my waffling ends and I'll almost certainly buy it.

    If CDs were $5 a pop, I'd go f#@$in' broke buying CDs.

    Certainly I can't be the only one like this - there's got to be enough people like me that the volume of sales would go up high enough to justify the reduced margins. Food for thought, although the RIAA et al don't seem to be hungry.

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  14. Re:Would that solve the problem? by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That doesn't solve the record companies' problem of controlling their intellectual property.

    Their problem isn't controlling their intellectual property, it's that they're trying too hard to control consumers, and consumers don't want to be controlled. We want to pick and choose how we listen, what we listen to, and so forth, and the record companies don't want us to chose. They want us to bend over and take it the only way they're willing to give it.

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