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The Science of the Matrix

KamehamehaWarrior writes "Peter B. Lloyd, author of Taking The Red Pill: Science, Philosophy, and Religion in The Matrix, believes that many of the plot developments in "The Matrix" that seem to contradict the laws of physics, biology, etc. can actually be explained with a closer look at the science. He addresses issues such as "Can humans really be an energy source? How does the Matrix know what fried chicken taste like? Why do the rebels have to enter and exit the Matrix via a telephone system (that doesn't actually exist)?""

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  1. It's all good! by Lukano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anything matrix related is good by me. I've been reading a lot more of the philosophy section of the website lately, and I've also been reading any posts like the one above regarding the theory and science behind the movies/plot/story.

    To be honest, I had no idea "how deep the rabbit hole" really went. The Wachowski brothers are brilliant IMHO, and have one of the most immersive universes I've ever seen. The movies aside, and franchisements out the window, this stands to be one of the most engrossing and amazing "thresholds" of our timeframe.

    And although the naysayers might argue, the Matrix is to me, and many of my friends/family/colleauges, as Star Wars was to the generation two decades ago.

    1. Re:It's all good! by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "And although the naysayers might argue, the Matrix is to me, and many of my friends/family/colleauges, as Star Wars was to the generation two decades ago. "

      Out of curiosity, how many people didn't like it? I enjoyed the Matrix when I first saw it, but it really doesn't survive the "Let's drag it out once a year and watch it." test with me. Just curious, anybody else feel that way too?

      Not trying to troll here, I just don't see it as the "Star Wars of the late nineties" if it doesn't survive. I'd rather assign that title to the Two Towers.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    2. Re:It's all good! by sameb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uh, it's not unique -- atleast the idea isn't. Ever read Plato? It's in The Republic -- The Allegory of the Cave.

      That's the Matrix preloaded.

    3. Re:It's all good! by Lukano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But how many of todays popular culture addicts would sit down with a copy of Plato's works and read through it? Yes, it may very well enlighten them, and yes they'd learn a lot from it... But hell, these are the same people that watch WWE wrestling religously. :P

  2. purpose of keeping humans around? by firebat162 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The part about the human power plant is making me wonder. Why are they keeping the humans around if they are only using them for "parallel computing" and for managing the power plants? If I understand correctly, humans are pretty inefficient. We need to be fed, and the machines have to create the Matrix and regulate us in it.

    Also, one would assume that a lot of machines can process information faster than a lot of human brains.

    So my question is, why are the machines taking the risk of keeping the humans around? why not just kill us off.

  3. Um by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This guy has too much time on his hands.

    Basically he takes the movie he liked, the ideals and the perceptions, and he fills in the blanks.

    Why do they use telephones?

    Answer: It's a movie.
    His Answer: They put network addresses on all data points along the matrix and blah blah blah

    How does the blue/red pills work?

    Answer: It's a movie.
    His Answer: "the avatar's software module must be able to accept instructions to cancel out any given sensory input."

    And, lastly, my favorite:

    What/How does the Bugbot do/work?

    Answer: It's a fucking movie.
    His Answer: "Trinity says that Neo is "dangerous" to them before he is cleaned. We can infer that the bugbot is actually a munition, probably a semtex device that will detonate when it hears Morpheus's voice, killing both Neo and Morpheus and everyone else in the room."

    This guy is just making shit up. Yet you know somewhere somebody is going to really put some thought and invest some time into thinking about this bullshit. Jeez. Where's Penn and Teller when you need em?

  4. Why do they get in through the phone system? by void* · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always just figured that they planted an exploit that allows them to hook their equipment into the simulation in the code that simulates the phone system, and the 'getting in/out through the phone system that doesn't exist' was just how it manifested itelf within the simulation.

    No big deal. :)

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    Code or be coded.
  5. Re:The Matrix Computer by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This idea provides a neat solution to the problem of how the humans can outperform the computers in the Matrix, suggested above...

    Consider this suggestion of running the Matrix process on the human brain as if it was a node in a distributed cluster. There's a great deal of Matrix information stored in the brain, but there's also a human consciousness alongside it in there, unaware that there's data flowing through your unused neurons. "Freeing your mind" could consist of gaining the ability to allow your consciousness to attach to the Matrix simulation the same way a debugger attaches to an existing process (or an aimbot attaches to CS), gain access to its data, and start poking values. The AIs would have to allow individual nodes to be authoritative to realize any net gain, so any changes you imagine to your own Matrix node would be propagated to others as reality, and you would be able to "will" your strength to increase the same way your aimbot can "will" perfect headshots at 100m. This would also explain why hacking the Matrix involves so much activity that resembles meditation/concentration techniques.

  6. Re:Article helps with suspension of disbelief by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The guy's "explanation" of consciousness, though, is total junk. He thinks he knows what consciousness is, and why computers can't have it (but quantum computers can). He never explains why quantum computers could have it though (it's in the "implementation," he says). He talks about it as if philosophers had solved the problem of consciousness decades ago and stupid scientists and engineers just can't realize the fact. He trots out the same old tired justifications based on the fact that computers are deterministic, dressed up in some new language. Give me a break! The question of whether computers can be conscious has not been answered, and may never be answered. I don't even think a suitable definition of the term has been found and agreed upon. And if a person ever does answer the question for real, I can guarantee it won't be a philosopher. Most likely it will be the computer scientist who programs the first conscious computer.

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    main(c,r){for(r=32;r;) printf(++c>31?c=!r--,"\n":c<r?" ":~c&r?" `":" #");}
  7. My thinking by Vip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this guy put way too much thinking into a movie. I prefer the simple solutions for it, some
    of them matching his though...BTW, I've only
    skimmed the article, don't have that much time :-)
    I agree with him on much of it, but wow, talk
    about detail!

    The Bioport--how can a socket in your head control your senses? How can it be inserted without killing you?

    Easy enough. It fits with the massively parallel computer theory later. They need to figure out the
    data transfer to and from brain, so this would be
    the next step beyond that, control of the brain
    to receive and send specific signals.

    The Red Pill--since the pill is virtual, how can it throw Neo out of the Matrix?

    This "red pill" meant to me that you are ready to
    wake up from complete control. Sort of like you
    were in hypnosis, now the fingers are snapped and
    you're awake!

    The Power Plant--can people really be an energy source?

    Yes and no. I too thought of the brain power
    theory. It seems to fit and makes for interesting
    theories. (ie. does the Matrix run on human brains
    for power and computing power as well? So humans
    are feeding their own minds?)

    Entering and Exiting the Matrix--why do the rebels need telephones to come and go?

    This too I figured was a navagational issue. It
    seems to be easier to send data around, so if you
    knew of a data point, you could get to it. Why
    certain ones? Perhaps so you don't go hunting
    for that cordless between the cushions? :-)

    The Bugbot--what's the purpose of the bugbot?

    Bugbot tells Agents where it is. Perhaps it's just
    an identifier, a certain string? Look for that
    string, and you've got him. Sort of how virus
    scanners work?

    Perceptions in the Matrix--how do the machines know what fried chicken tastes like?

    Completely made up and arbitrary. Does it matter?

    Neo's Mastery of the Avatar--how can Neo fly?

    Neo can fly because he's mastered the Matrix. I
    thought of it more as he can now reshape the
    Matrix near him to do what he wants. Kind of like
    a virus, or bug.

    Consciousness and the Matrix--are the machines in the Matrix alive and conscious? Or are they only machines, intelligent but mindless?

    Both. Give it kind of a Terminator scenario,
    except keep the humans, their brains and body
    come in handy. The machines are just overthrowing
    the people that built them, perhaps they
    got out of hand too.

    Vip