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Innovation on the Edge?

MCassatt asks: "It's a truism in many fields that breakthroughs come from the edge: the scandalous Impressionists become pretty pictures for posters and umbrellas; the world of science fiction becomes the world of science. The wonderful, the fantastic, and the mad of today are tomorrow's mainstream. Are there examples of this in computer science? Not extreme programming, but extreme programs?"

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  1. Extreme programs by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gnutella
    Bit Torrent
    Freenet
    Reiserfs
    Linux Kernel
    Open SSH
    Encrypted Filesystems
    GnuPG

    At least in my opinion p2p and crypto are the edges in coding right now. Both can be hugely successful if you succeed in writing them properly. They can also be a huge failure if done improperly. Personally, I'm amazed that there aren't more p2p worms/remote exploits out there. Every now and then there are a few breaks in crypto from a weird angle, but in general they have been very successful as well.

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    1. Re:Extreme programs by Dthoma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because software is popular doesn't make it noninnovative. Heck, sometimes software becomes popular because it is innovative. And often unpopular software is innovative too. Look at ReiserFS or the Hurd; surely these innovate to some degree, and even if they themselves are not that original they may well be the first to actually implement a radical idea or two. Look at Plan 9; even taking an existing stable paradigm to its illogical limit can produce wonderful results. Linux or GNU may not be that "innovative and edgy" but at the time when they were created they must've been a big blast of fresh air.

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  2. That's what theoretical CS is all about by sanpitch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Much of theoretical computer science is all about some crazy professor looking at a problem that he thinks is cool, without worrying about its utility. Then in a few years, somebody finds a practical application.

  3. Virii by kinnell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some guy thinks one day, "Life is just the replication of information. Computers can do that". We all love to hate them, but you could argue that conceptually, computer virii are as "alive" as organic virii. If that isn't an etreme idea, what is?

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  4. Palladium by DuSTman31 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The question of what is on "the edge" can be answered by how much controversy the thing recieves - Something accepted by all will be mainstream, "the edge" denotes a radical departure and whenever there's a radical departure there's going to be quite a few people complaining about it.

    It would seem to me that this whole palladium situation is the most controversial software project in a while, so it could probably be termed "on the edge", too.

  5. Isn't it where all the innovation comes from? by bj8rn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The edge is where the known meets the unknown. That's where all innovation comes from - you find out or do something new, something that has never been done before. What new can you find in a territory already explored? Only a place that hasn't been explored yet (or some interesting bugs/plants/animals).

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  6. The best examples of "Extreme Programs"? by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Extreme programs, I think, are programs of such overwhelming significance, that they create an indelible impression upon the way that people use computers afterwards.

    My votes would be for the following

    1. Unix
    2. Visicalc
    3. TeX
    4. GCC
  7. The edge is *beyond* these suggestions by joelparker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The edge IMHO is *not* crypto, P2P, or Linux;
    These are known by mainstream techies today.

    Think instead of what these techies do *not* know.
    Remember when you first saw email or a web browser?

    These apps changed *so* much in our world.
    Think in that arena.. what could change so much?

    Cheers, Joel

  8. Extreme programs? by StevenMaurer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They are so common in this industry, we have our own special name for them: Killer Apps.

    Let's review, shall we?

    VisiCalc ...and its successors spawned a trillion dollar industry, made Steve Jobs a billionaire, and almost singlehandedly eliminated the profession of "bookkeeper".

    WordPerfect ...ditto for the profession of personal secretary. Only executives use them now.

    Mosaic ...let's see. Trillion dollar industry, hundreds of business models, hundreds of thousands of businesses, millions of lives and careers changed... seems pretty extreme to me.

    I could go on, but you get the idea...

  9. They're Everywhere by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Recent History:

    How about an operating system written as a substitute for massive commercial systems, written initially by one guy, then by a bunch of people collaborating, without direct compensation, via email? (Linux)

    How about a system to allow anyone with a computer and a pipe to publish structured hypertext and images for all the world to see? (Mosaic)

    How about a system for independent individuals to type to each other in real time? (talk, IM)

    How about a system for people without a static IP to share files? (P2P)

    How about a system for people to contribute spare CPU cycles to a collective social work? (Distributed.net, SETI@Home, Folding@Home)

    The Future:

    What's on the edge now that will be huge tomorrow? If I knew that I'd be in angel capital. (speaking of equity, how about online stock trading systems?)

    What's on the edge and either hasn't found a niche or isn't sufficiently advanced yet (and may never be)? 3DUIs, Freenet, Complex Adaptive Systems, Face Recognition; and those are less than a cube in the iceberg.

  10. My nominees by Aidtopia · · Score: 3, Insightful
    • Genetic Algorithms - write programs/solve problems by modeling a natural process than many people deny the existence of!
    • TeX & Metafont - revolutionized the quality of print, one of the first, major free open pieces of code, virtually unbreakable
    • Oberon - proving fully functional software need not be bloated
  11. extreme applications have to be mind opening by chriss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lets talk about extreme applications, those which changed our views and methods to act. I do not believe that any application has ever been created without some examples been existent before, but there is often one specific version that got used widely and opened the eyes of a lot of people.

    Spreadsheets: Visicalc was not the first, but the first on personal computers. These tools allow you to play with a number of different scenarios in a way you could never handle without them and therefore give a chance to see into the future.

    1st person shooters: Doom (and Wolfenstein and hundreds of followers) realized least some of the promises of virtual reality. A artificial world, created in real time, in a way that was realistic without to much burden on your own fantasy, dense and moody enough to really immerse yourself into that world. A copy of our real world as an interface to a computer, more coming.

    Communication (Email/News/Chat): The video text system Minitel pushed by France Telecom during the 80s and early 90s by giving away the (primitive) terminals for free. This is most likely the first electronic mass medium that existed with up to 35 million users, more than 50% of the whole population of France. Was used massively for mail and chat (and porn), but also included a micro payment system and was a huge ecommerce success more than a decade before the web became popular. Communication is the killer app of all killer apps.

    ebay: ebay is its own category (and, of course, it's an application), everything else is a copy. First worldwide successful C2C business, could not exist without the web, but has proved that the low cost of a medium can generate markets where there was no margin before. Removed the costs for advertising, customer service, handling etc. by reducing its own function to a mere communication enabler.

    Search engines: Google comes in mind, but Google is just a very clever version of Altavista, I do not remember who started it. Whenever you search in a text with your preferred text processor, you're using its search engine to run a full text search, so it's not really new. But applied to an enormous body of data (unsorted, in contrast to classical databases) gave us a kind of 'instant knowledge' unthinkable before. I own dozens of dictionaries and never leave without my Encyclopaedia Britannica (on my iBook), but nothing can compete with billions of pages of unstructured information at my fingertip.

    web browsers: Mosaic was for many people the first look into the computer interface of the near future. A system, easy to use from a consumer and producer perspective, at low cost, to enable exchange and access anything that can be squeezed into HTML and some pictures.

    bioinformatics tools: BLAST (Basic Local Alignment Search Tool), a dedicated database for storing, comparing, finding and annotating sequences of DNA etc., to be run at home (if you want to) or in your lab or easily accessible on the web. Enabled researcher worldwide to get immediate access to the most current findings, therefore increasing the speed in which the humane genome could be decoded (and stealing Celeras show). This kind of technology will speed up our acquisition of knowledge in many ways.

    When you look at this list, there are some common themes:

    • eases the access or handling of data
    • works on low tech machines
    • enforces communication
    These will be found in a lot of 'extreme applications', be it p2p, encryption, proteomics or whatever.

    Chriss

  12. It's all about copy by NewToNix · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The single most extream program ever written is the plain old "copy" program.

    When ever you use the "copy" program you are accomplishing the oldest and dearest dream mankind has ever had - you are both having your cake and eating it too.

    The ability to infinitely replicate something, each copy being absolutely identical to the first, but also infinitely distributable to however many desire it, is earth shaking.

    This is the major thing human kind must learn to deal with into the future. More then any other single event or "discovery" the lowly copy program (and it's brother "paste") will have greater effect on the way we view our world then any other thing.