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Innovation on the Edge?

MCassatt asks: "It's a truism in many fields that breakthroughs come from the edge: the scandalous Impressionists become pretty pictures for posters and umbrellas; the world of science fiction becomes the world of science. The wonderful, the fantastic, and the mad of today are tomorrow's mainstream. Are there examples of this in computer science? Not extreme programming, but extreme programs?"

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  1. Extreme programs by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gnutella
    Bit Torrent
    Freenet
    Reiserfs
    Linux Kernel
    Open SSH
    Encrypted Filesystems
    GnuPG

    At least in my opinion p2p and crypto are the edges in coding right now. Both can be hugely successful if you succeed in writing them properly. They can also be a huge failure if done improperly. Personally, I'm amazed that there aren't more p2p worms/remote exploits out there. Every now and then there are a few breaks in crypto from a weird angle, but in general they have been very successful as well.

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    1. Re:Extreme programs by Dthoma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because software is popular doesn't make it noninnovative. Heck, sometimes software becomes popular because it is innovative. And often unpopular software is innovative too. Look at ReiserFS or the Hurd; surely these innovate to some degree, and even if they themselves are not that original they may well be the first to actually implement a radical idea or two. Look at Plan 9; even taking an existing stable paradigm to its illogical limit can produce wonderful results. Linux or GNU may not be that "innovative and edgy" but at the time when they were created they must've been a big blast of fresh air.

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  2. That's what theoretical CS is all about by sanpitch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Much of theoretical computer science is all about some crazy professor looking at a problem that he thinks is cool, without worrying about its utility. Then in a few years, somebody finds a practical application.

  3. Virii by kinnell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some guy thinks one day, "Life is just the replication of information. Computers can do that". We all love to hate them, but you could argue that conceptually, computer virii are as "alive" as organic virii. If that isn't an etreme idea, what is?

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  4. Extreme programs? by StevenMaurer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They are so common in this industry, we have our own special name for them: Killer Apps.

    Let's review, shall we?

    VisiCalc ...and its successors spawned a trillion dollar industry, made Steve Jobs a billionaire, and almost singlehandedly eliminated the profession of "bookkeeper".

    WordPerfect ...ditto for the profession of personal secretary. Only executives use them now.

    Mosaic ...let's see. Trillion dollar industry, hundreds of business models, hundreds of thousands of businesses, millions of lives and careers changed... seems pretty extreme to me.

    I could go on, but you get the idea...

  5. They're Everywhere by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Recent History:

    How about an operating system written as a substitute for massive commercial systems, written initially by one guy, then by a bunch of people collaborating, without direct compensation, via email? (Linux)

    How about a system to allow anyone with a computer and a pipe to publish structured hypertext and images for all the world to see? (Mosaic)

    How about a system for independent individuals to type to each other in real time? (talk, IM)

    How about a system for people without a static IP to share files? (P2P)

    How about a system for people to contribute spare CPU cycles to a collective social work? (Distributed.net, SETI@Home, Folding@Home)

    The Future:

    What's on the edge now that will be huge tomorrow? If I knew that I'd be in angel capital. (speaking of equity, how about online stock trading systems?)

    What's on the edge and either hasn't found a niche or isn't sufficiently advanced yet (and may never be)? 3DUIs, Freenet, Complex Adaptive Systems, Face Recognition; and those are less than a cube in the iceberg.

  6. It's all about copy by NewToNix · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The single most extream program ever written is the plain old "copy" program.

    When ever you use the "copy" program you are accomplishing the oldest and dearest dream mankind has ever had - you are both having your cake and eating it too.

    The ability to infinitely replicate something, each copy being absolutely identical to the first, but also infinitely distributable to however many desire it, is earth shaking.

    This is the major thing human kind must learn to deal with into the future. More then any other single event or "discovery" the lowly copy program (and it's brother "paste") will have greater effect on the way we view our world then any other thing.