Preventing the NT Messenger From Use as a Spam Portal?
zbowling (Zac Bowling) asks: "I currently use Comcast cable internet, and I consistently get hit with spam popups. These are not the ones you get from a webpages or media, these are dialog box popups from people scanning all possible IPs for the open messenger port on most NT or Win2k machines. The NT Messenger service (also the same as Novells Network Alert system) is reserved for admins, so they can send messages to the domain or a single workstation for any reason. This service has been taken advantage of by spammers looking for a cheap way to spam someone. One message I got was a spam to get me to buy a firewall product from them to prevent this from happening. I'm sure you can shut of that service or block that port except from people in your subnet. Does anyone know of any resources on the topic?"
As far as I know, there is nothing out there, but if your on broadband,just turn off the messenger service, you don't need it. Every Admin job I've ever had the messenger service was used by employees to play pratical jokes on staff that did not know about it. Infact, at one job, Clopatra and Ceaser were talking using the messenger service to a WinNT Exchange server called Hermes.
It is an insult that typing in a URL can be considered "hacking", while sending bogus data to an unknowingly open machine in order to get it to do things which it was never intended to do is not.
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Maybe you could, uh, buy that firewall product the spammer advertised....
that's kind of... weird though.
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Interesting, Comcast is the top baby Bell where I come from. What state are you in? I've never heard of such problems with their service before. I wouldn't consider is Comcast's problem if I were you.
Instead, look for a local spammer; as this would be the most likely culprit of such a crime.
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If you don't need it, go to your services menu, and set the messenger service to 'off'.
Does anyone know of any resources on the topic?
Yes, it's called Google.
This teaches you alot
Go into Control Panel, then Services.
Scroll down to Messenger and right click, hit Properties.
Set Startup Type to Disabled.
If the Service status says Started, click Stop.
Click OK and close out of Services and Control Panel.
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Step 1) Go to google
Step 2) Type in "NT messenger spam"
Step 3) Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button
Step 4) Stop NT Messenger Spam
Step 5) Submit question to "Ask Slashdot" anyway
Step 6) ????
Step 7) Profit!
Create a whitelist of IPs and generate a set of rules for INPUT tabl... oh... sorry, never mind...
I can't believe this post got this far. A solution can even be found on Yahoo!
Dude, core rule of running ANY OS is to disable anything you don't use. If you don't know which services/daemons you do or don't need, then install a software based firewall on the OS until you can get help to start securing the OS properly.
For windows, software like Zone Alarm (http://www.zonelabs.com) is a good start. McAfee, Symantec and a whole heap of other companies offer similar products also.
For *BSD (Including OSX) IPF is available on nearly all variants. For GNU/Linux, NetFilter/IPTables in the modern kernels and IPCHAINS and IPFWADM in the older kernels.
For commercial versions of Unix, There are a quite a few options, but most home users aren't going to be running Solaris or HP-UX or AIX or other such OSs.
if you still need to keep the service "Active", i'm assuming you have more than one machine behind the cable connection? /. ?
If you have more than one machine, surely you have some form of routing?
And if you have a router, then why don't you just block the port on the router, leave it open on the internal nodes, and lest i forget, not submit a googleable question to
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Installing ZoneAlarm is not enough. You must go to Security/Local/Customize in ZoneAlarm and select "block incoming NetBIOS".
I do not wish to manually turn off the messenger service on every single win box on our network, so does anyone have any idea what could be going on?, or do I need to just start sniffing?
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Don't waste everyone's time posting a comment saying that you knew the answer when you were 8 or 18 years old, and Slashdot is lame for posting such a simple question.
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Yes, many questions can be answered by Google, IF you already know the answer and therefore know the correct key words.
How about just typing net stop messenger at a command prompt?
Problem solved, eh? Should this really have been an Ask Slashdot?
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At the risk of being flamed for a pro-Microsoft comment, take a look at Windows Server 2003. Out of the box, it is pretty tightly locked down. No services are installed by default -- an admin has to proactively enable things like IIS, DNS, etc. Permissions are no longer defaulted to "Everyone Full Control" as they were in the past. While I'm sure that there will still be holes found, at least the ones provided by a default installation have been addressed.
Original poster : go to BestBuy or whereever and buy a Linksys 4 port router/firewall : Linksys Model# BEFSR41. They are dirt cheap now that the wireless stuff is out, cost maybe $50. Gives you two things :
... it is fun:) The router stops all inbound traffic at the door, or pretty much most of it. Those pesky Messenger spam go away. Also protects you from the damn Nimda (?) type worms that attack exposed web servers.
1. Your ip address is now a black hole. Nothing comes in. Cable modem is a shared medium meaning it is entirely possible that your neighbors could be snooping your hard drive. Not likely, but possible (I have done it in the past
2. You can plug more than one computer into the 4 10/100 ports the unit has, now you have more than one computer surfing at cable speed. Also have your internal network between computers. If you had friends and they came over they could plug their machines in and have instant access to the web also. Acts as a DHCP server so you don't need to configure one.
If you have a cablemodem, you really, really need a hardware firewall/router, and the Linky is a very easy to use unit. Just be sure to change the password, everybody on the planet knows how to hack their way in if it is left to the default.
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The Messenger service sends and recieves messages not using the NetBIOS protocol, but RPC. Therefore, you need to block port 135 to stop the messenger.
As many others have said, you could also just turn the service off. I haven't seen anyone mention Black Viper as a resource for explaining what could be shut off and how to do it.
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In XP there's a networking preference dialog that lets you enable "Internet Connection Firewall". Enable it (which is the default, no?) and all the Messenger spam will disappear. Enjoy.
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And I run MSN 100% of the time, both at work and at home. Set up your firewall rules correctly, or turn off your messenger service...
I don't see this as any issue. It's like saying that spam is an issue with Microsoft Outlook.
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Yes, except that the next Windows update may add it back without telling you.
My guess is that you are thinking of NetBEUI. This is NetBIOS, a feature of the TCP/IP protocol.
NET SEND on Windows
This was also asked before and before that and before before that. And if you search Slashdot on "messenger", many other times besides those three.
they should be blocked anyway....135,137-139,445...then the yall go away...
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