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Tim O'Reilly Points Toward Next 'Killer App'

santos_douglas writes "Extreme Tech has this article in which Tim O'Reilly, the man behind every geeks favorite tech manuals, points toward four major leading indicators that will predict the next likely 'killer app' to emerge from the hacker community. They are: (1) Amazon.com web services (2) BARWN (3) Hardware hackers and (4) online gaming communities."

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  1. Re:Hrmmm by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Funny

    maybe because beowulf clusters are rubbish compared to big web-distributed computing projects.

    Plans to /. to world.... its a 'killer app', but not in the sense that most people understand it ;-)

  2. Online Gaming communities by Yarn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Uh huh. QuakeNet (Currently ~150,000 users) has been going since Quake came out in '96. I think Tim's a little slow on the uptake there. (Disclaimer, I'm an operator on QuakeNet)

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    1. Re:Online Gaming communities by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps the point will be 20 fold when it gets really REALLY popular. Or expect thousands and billions of quakenets.

      Note, XBox, PS2... all the consoles are really getting hot in the online arena.

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    2. Re:Online Gaming communities by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, but being a user to QuakeNet doesn't automagically mean that they all play Quake. I know plenty of people who reg at QuakeNet yet hate Quake itself... They even hate the entire FPS genre, they're on QuakeNet just for fun or other games or what else. I'm not saying Quake isn't popular, but measuring the popularity of it against the number of users on an IRC network is kinda flawed.

      Heck, online gaming communities are flawed imho anyways. If I want to game, I want to fly a spaceship and blow up stuff, trading salvages crap and doing whatnot. I want to run around with a big run, shooting people and getting shot myself. I want to run around with WW2 weapons, jump in aircraft and take the battle to the sky! If I just wanted to chat I wouldn't buy the damn game and join a random community instead.

    3. Re:Online Gaming communities by tprox · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree. Tim seems to be lagging behind. As far as games go, with Everquest and Half-Life, the new games to come out need to have something different than the tried-and-true formulas already out there.

      It seems that people who want to play games online already are.

      For each of those examples, I'm sure you can find multiple examples of the same thing and glaring "WTF's": Amazon front ends downloadable for free? Isn't that basically what Slashcode and a number of other things are? Oh wait, they're not associated with Amazon. Ubiquitous Wireless Networking? Nice for infrastructure, but IMO hardly a killer app. Oh, and don't get me started on the "Alpha Geeks Hardware Hack into the Security of the System".

      WTF?!

  3. heres my interpretation by eenglish_ca · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Were gonna have a huge mass of incompatible hardware with lots of advertising for products on amazon, gonna be wireless with one of the standards making it only usuable in one part of the bay and will actually be made to play online games with. ha ha ha, actually that sounds a lot like modern laptops if you outfit them completely.

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  4. It's right there in my email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "next major breakthrough", it's in about a 1/3 of the emails I receive every day! There must be lots of breakthroughts and killer apps out there, after all email doesn't lie. In fact, right now the wife's up to double d, using some of that money from dead nigerian presidents, we're on vacation on that free offer to barbadoes, and don't even ask what's down my pants these days!

    No, there is only one killer app everyone really wants and needs. It's the killer app that kills spam...

  5. So where's the 'Killer App'? by johny_qst · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I saw a lot of "yeah-technology" arguments about where grass-roots development is happening. But having access to buying things from amazon ubiquitously in my daily life.... don't need it or want it... does anyone? Gaming communities... maybe... let's see what happens to doom III mods at the end of the year... Wireless Networking... I like to go for walks to enjoy nature, not to focus on some digital device... Does anyone really see a killer app here?

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    1. Re:So where's the 'Killer App'? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 5, Interesting
      There's a problem with predicting the future -- it's almost impossible. We won't know the next "killer app" until it bites us on the butt.

      My buddies and I used to try and guess the next "killer car" -- the Corvair was our benchmark. It was cheap and available and then suddenly it was rare, expensive, and desireable. The question was what car to buy today that would be worth more tomorrow. So far we're batting zero on that one. The Datsun 240Z and Mazda RX-7 looked promising, but they made so damn many of them that they never became rare. In hindsite I'd have to say we'll never see another Corvair. We were trying to use history to predict the future, but the future is always somehow different in some key way. I think Mr. O'Reilly is making the same mistake.

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    2. Re:So where's the 'Killer App'? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd go for something that looks interesting but is not too reliable. A good example are the older model Citroën cars: very popular, at least in Europe. They've always been innovators (they made the first front wheel drive for example), they look unusual, but overall they are rather unreliable, mostly due to being overengineered. Already it's hard to find decently-running older models and there will always be a large market: every self-respecting architect wants a Citroën. Shame their recent models have been Japanized: they look boring and are very reliable. Yawn.

      Anyway, back to the topic. Indeed, wireless is not a killer app... what you need is a killer app that will make wireless something that everybody'll want. Same mistake that the phone companies made with WAP and I-mode. These things are only interesting because of the services they can provide, and so far the telcos have failed to come up with a killer app for these protocols. Even the popular apps from Japan that have been made available here have failed to strike an interest in I-mode with the general public.

      Therefore my prediction is that ubiquitous wireless will not come into being before someone discovers the killer app that is 'killer' because it is wireless. (Disclaimer: if and when wireless becomes the cheaper solution to deliver net access to the masses, I will withdraw my prediction).

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  6. its blatantly gonna be some ultimate by noogle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    gnutella-style non-centralized encrypted file-sharing thing with full irc-style-chat and superduper intelligent dynamic node management type stuff to regulate the network.

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  7. Maybe for normal users, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the real innovation occuring in the industry - at least right now - is in the data mining field...

    1. Re:Maybe for normal users, but by trentfoley · · Score: 3, Funny

      The public will never be made directly aware of the knowledged gained from data mining. That would ruin Harry Seldon's plan.

  8. What do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "(1) Amazon.com web services (2) BARWN (3) Hardware hackers and (4) online gaming communities." add up to?

    A wireless internet virtual reality gaming chair in which everything, including the chair part, is patented up the wazoo.

  9. Distributed P2P Services... by Bonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Like BitTorrent.

    It's a bit difficult to think of distributed services being for anyone other than uber-geeks and people who desperately need processing power. We've been doing distributed number crunching for a few years now, so it's only a matter of time before distributed services take hold. Distributed downloading, which was started by the various P2P apps and has been almost perfected by BitTorrent is the next iteration of that. Imagine what the next iteration of this tech will bring. Imagine hosting your entire website off of your own computer, but as part of a 'distributed' web with a browser Torrent plugin to make bandwidth seem thicker and easier to come by.

    Other distributed services are just around the corner.

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    1. Re:Distributed P2P Services... by JR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Just with a quick browsing through the list of responses, I think that this suggestion stands out as both well thought-out and has a reasonable hope of being accurate.

      Napster's explosive growth was the first sign that P2P apps had the potential to be a killer app. The wide perception is that the P2P music swapping apps are driving the uptake of broadband usage in the US and elsewhere. Even with their somewhat difficult interfaces and limited success of searches, the current P2P apps are wildly popular.

      Right now, BitTorrent is the domain of geeks (and thus fits neatly among Tim O'Reilly's criteria), but the benefits can be quickly explained to the layman.

      Like your speculated Torrent browser plugin, the Freenet project distributes content based on demand and matches the distribution to the bandwidth. Another step along the way.

  10. MUSIC IS THE NEXT KILLER APP by locarecords.com · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Personally I really believe that music is the next Killer App on the Internet. Now that labels are starting to embrace the technology - and Apples download agreements for the iPod look very very interesting - this will pull people in due to the convenience of getting singles.

    And singles are the driver of Album sales (albeit a loss leader) and priced at the stupidly low levels that they can be set at on a medium like the Internet (99 cents has been mentioned) that is well within the means of teenagers everywhere.

    I think this will be a virtuous circle of people putting the singles directly onto iPod mp3 players and the like and then going back for more. This could really change the whole nature of Album sales (often containing more than a couple of duff tracks to make up the numbers) and providing the mechanism for download is both strong enough to be profitable and not too strong as to irritate customers then they could have a winner. Both for the music companies and the Internet as a whole...

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    1. Re:MUSIC IS THE NEXT KILLER APP by stak · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I agree. Downloading music off the internet drives computer sales, high speed internet services, portable music players, car stereos that can play MP3s, CDR & DVDR burners, and blank media sales.

      The 10 CDs that I use to buy a year for $140 have been replaced by $40 a month internet service, a $1500 3 year computer replacment cycle, spindles of CDR, and a $600 Pioneer car stereo to listen to my MP3 collection.

      I think in the future music will be given away to drive sales of more expensive products. Just like TV shows. Companies give the content away but you still have to buy a $300 box to view it.

  11. We'll see them coming by News+for+nerds · · Score: 5, Funny

    O'Reilly - Amazon.com Web Services Nutshell
    O'Reilly - Essential BARWN
    O'Reilly - Hardware Hackers Pocket Reference
    O'Reilly - Online Gaming The Definitive Guide

  12. This guy is wrong. by Krapangor · · Score: 4, Funny

    The next killer application for the internet will be govermental spyware for control of the masses.
    Welcome to the beautiful world of mind control probes.

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  13. bah by asv108 · · Score: 5, Funny
    The term killer app is so overused. The title for this article should really be:

    "Tim Oreilly tries to promote next conference.."

  14. what's the obsession with next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This whole social fixation on the next big thing is stupid and counter productive. About the only thing this achieves is liberates money from those stupid enough to buy in and into those lacking morals and ethics.

  15. hardware hacking by foog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    case modding is about as much hardware hacking as putting a giant tail on your honda civic is hot rodding.

    I'll just say the current generation of microcontrollers is a dream to work with, and programmable logic is really hot right now too...

    foog (who has been up all night with an Atmel AVR, and the blinkenlights are flashing and the solenoid valves are clacking and everything's worked as designed so far, just with the usual minor hitches...)

  16. HyperCard-OS by RobotWisdom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm still hoping someone will re-think HyperCard as an Internet-optimised operating system, with integrated scriptable modules for creating and viewing webpages, images, email, multimedia, etc.

    If it runs as slick as HyperCard, it should become the new basic minimum of computer-literacy, so a creative community would inevitably grow up around it.

    Build it on top of Linux and offer it for Internet Appliances, and it could put Microsoft out of business. But wireless and web-services and multiplayer gaming don't seem central to me, at all.

  17. I say by djupedal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...the next true killer app is one I've been waiting for, for some time now.

    Micro-payments!

  18. my pick by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Broadband + VOIP that can connect to other phone networks.

    In car entertainment, based on a PC with 802.11b (download from the house) that plays mp3's with something like GDAM for real time, hands free mixing.

    Better Gnutella/Kazaa that allows things like downloading from people with only part of the file.

    And finially, a fully modular UI. so that when I install libjpeg and libogg on my PC, anything that can provide a bitmap makes use of libjpeg and anything that can provide a RIFF file makes use of ogg.

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  19. Emergency Telecommuting by Arch_dude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There has been a noticable increase in broadband usage in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Toronto, as quarantined or frightened tech workers stay at home and telecommute. SARS, the next killer app.

  20. Tim O'Reilly comments on article misrepresentation by tadghin · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just to be clear, this report on my "O'Reilly Radar" talk at the Emerging Technologies Conference really missed the point.


    I didn't say that Amazon web services, BARWN, Xbox hardware hacking, or MMORPGs were "the next killer app." What I said was that all these things were on my radar, and why. My point was not to pick the most important things out there, but to pick four things that people might not view in the same context, and to identify the common element that put them on my radar: They represent the hacker impulse, people pushing the boundaries of a system and coming up with innovations that the original creators didn't imagine. I outlined some of the key elements that put technologies on my radar: hackability, being in line with some major trend (such as the increase in ubiquitous networking), disruptive potential, grassroots enthusiasm rather than top-down corporate promotion but still the presence of professional practitioners and a possible business ecology.


    There are many other technologies that are also on my radar. I chose these four to highlight precisely because they seem so disjoint, yet to me show all of the characteristics that I outlined above, the characteristics that make a technology worth following by O'Reilly.

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  21. BitTorrent holds tremendous potential... by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Informative

    BT is an amazingly powerful bit of technology. To see it at work try torrentse.cx. Its main disadvantage?!?

    It has to be handled thru a plugin. Imagine the savings if this HTML worked: <IMG SRC="/very_big_image.jpg.torrent">

    Yeah, it works! (Red Hat 9 ISOs so soon were a miracle!)

    But the Moz guys need to incorporate Torrent tech directly into the browser! That's serve as a huge wakeup call to IE, and we might see a new feature for the first time in NNN years...

    -Ben

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  22. Re: Micro-payments? Never worked. Never will. by Corvus9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Micropayments is one of those technologies, like rocket backpacks, that techno-nerds keep promoting but which never show up, and for the same reason. They're not practical.

    The Teledon project back in the 1970s used micro-payments, and failed. Project Xanadu was going to be financed by micropayments and failed. Nicholas Negroponte predicted that micropayments would finance the WWW. First Virtual founded an internet bank based on micropayments and went bankrupt.

    The problem is that the cost of administering any micro-payment scheme overwhelms the value of the service provided; all the money goes to the payment administrator and comparatively little goes to the content provider. Content providers hate them.

    Users hate them too. They add another layer of cost and complexity to internet transactions. Users prefer to pay one bill each month, or whatever, and download whatever they want without having to keep track of every individual piece. Micropayments break that.

    They don't even work for the service providers. Now they have to account for every individual service they provide. How much do they charge for this message? For a page? For an image? What if the user browses without loading images? What if they only read half the page and demand a refund for the half they didn't read?

    Ignoring all the problems with micropayments, it doesn't even provide any solutions. Will it stop piracy? No. Will it bring back the glory days of the Internet bubble? No. Will it provide services that users want they didn't have before? No.

    Micropayments have all kinds of problems and offer no benefits, except to techo-cheerleaders who imagine themselves getting paid for content no one is willing to spend money on.