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New Subatomic Particle Discovered

Cyndi writes "A new subatomic particle has been discovered by researchers at Stanford. It seems to be "an unusual configuration of a charm quark and a strange anti-quark"."

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  1. Naked charm!?! by MarkusQ · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article, it sounds as if this particle would exhibit naked charm (and naked (anti-)strange as well I assume). This seems astounding to me (at a quarter to five AM at least). Last I heard that sort of thing was on mother nature's short list of no-nos.

    -- MarkusQ

    1. Re:Naked charm!?! by barawn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Might be a little too early in the morning. This guy is just a resonance of D_s+, which has a mass of 1968 MeV, and also is made up of c & s_bar. Naked charm just means the particle has a c and no c_bar, which is perfectly fine. Charmed particles have been around for a while now.

    2. Re:Naked charm!?! by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1, Interesting

      > We have discovered a new charm particle in an experiment designed to probe the difference between matter and antimatter using bottom quarks. Sometimes the most exciting discoveries come from unexpected directions.

      One question: How do they know they accidentally discovered it and that they did not accidentally invent it anew?

      Thanks.

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    3. Re:Naked charm!?! by EricWright · · Score: 1

      Apparently, all it takes is an electron-positron annihilation with total energy around 10.6 GeV (and of course, looking in the right place). Surely you don't think this is the first time in the history of the universe that such an annihilation has happened...

    4. Re:Naked charm!?! by MarkusQ · · Score: 1

      Might be a little too early in the morning. This guy is just a resonance of D_s+, which...is made up of c & s_bar...Charmed particles have been around for a while now.

      Duh. Thanks. I should learn not to try to think physics on my way back to bed from a diaper change. (Better yet: I shouldn't stop and check e-mail/slashdot either.)

      Hey, at least I wasn't coding in my sleep.

      -- MarkusQ

    5. Re:Naked charm!?! by hplasm · · Score: 0

      It's to do with the tangled copyright v. patent legal bollaux. 'Tis safer to discover it, and so less costly when the PPIAA (Particle Physics Industry Association of America) lawyers start sniffing around...

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    6. Re:Naked charm!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Hey, at least I wasn't coding in my sleep.

      but at least you were not modorating in your sleep (like whoever moded your post funny)

  2. What the Quark? by Neck_of_the_Woods · · Score: 4, Funny


    Could someone explain the who Anti-Quark, Naked Quark, Bio-Polar Quark, Spring Break Quark, and Got my head up my ass CIO Quark please?

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    1. Re:What the Quark? by reiggin · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Anti-Quark" can be vaguely defined as any Mac OS X user or any Adobe programmer.

    2. Re:What the Quark? by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 1
      Could someone explain the who Anti-Quark, Naked Quark, Bio-Polar Quark, Spring Break Quark, and Got my head up my ass CIO Quark please?

      The Ferengi's alter egos.

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  3. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ... does it run linux?

    1. Re:But... by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Probably not, however the scientists that found that thing probably do.

      Go calculate something

  4. That's not really an event by KDan · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's tons of different configurations of fundamental particles, especially quarks. Though the people who set up the accelerators and did this must be pretty chuffed, and have indeed contributed to the advancement of particle physics by helping repertoriate more of the possible combinations, there's nothing even remotely interesting to anyone who's not a particle physicist working on this type of quark configuration.

    Now if they had discovered a new fundamental particle, or if that particle exhibited properties in contradiction with the current laws of particle physics (eg symmetry breaking), that would be worth posting...

    Daniel

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    1. Re:That's not really an event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if the particle was stable? They don't say how long it's half life is, but if it was long, I assume that would be really cool, and they would say so.

    2. Re:That's not really an event by KDan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that would be interesting too.

      Daniel

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  5. importance is in the details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The combination was not the surprise, but the missing mass is, which suggests that the theoretical calculation of the binding force is incorrect (though such calculation is often an approximation themself) This usually signals that some aspect of the theory on the force is wrong or that their is yet another particle that was undetected, thus robbing some mass away. (Neutrino was 'discovered' this way)

    1. Re:importance is in the details by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The combination was not the surprise, but the missing mass is, which suggests that the theoretical calculation of the binding force is incorrect (though such calculation is often an approximation themself) This usually signals that some aspect of the theory on the force is wrong or that their is yet another particle that was undetected, thus robbing some mass away. (Neutrino was 'discovered' this way)

      Well, sorta. In the case of the neutrino, conservation of energy and momentum gave you a solid expectation against which you could notice the missing momentum. So the analogy is only relevant if you expect the theoretical calculation of this resonance's mass to be accurate in the first place. But such calculations are notoriously difficult to do, and few people who haven't hitched their careers to doing lattice QCD calculations believe that we really know how to do them well. The "benefit" of this discrepancy is, as you partly suggest, that it will hopefully improve the (typically numerical) models people use to do these kinds of calculations.

  6. 2317 - ZEIT (the german word for time) by P145M4 · · Score: 1

    cs

  7. Must be LOVE! by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 5, Funny

    a charm quark with ... an anti strange [quark]

    Love makes strange bedfellows...

    This force, unlike most others in nature, becomes stronger as the distance between the two quarks increases.

    Absence makes the heart grow fonder...

    They have discovered the LOVE particle!

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    1. Re:Must be LOVE! by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      This force, unlike most others in nature, becomes stronger as the distance between the two quarks increases.

      Absence makes the heart grow fonder...

      They have discovered the LOVE particle!

      Yes, and it's called a "gluon".

    2. Re:Must be LOVE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And anti-strange, that must be familiarity.

  8. Quark is so overrated... by jbarr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I prefer Neelix's portrayal of the Grand Proxy in "False Profits"!

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  9. How long ... by zangdesign · · Score: 0

    before they discover the evil-bit quark?

    Yup. Recycling old jokes ad nauseam.

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  10. Don't forget this one: by 0x00000dcc · · Score: 4, Funny
    Don't forget: the Bill O'Reilly quark, which, if combined with other quarks to make an electron, has no spin ...

    I kill me.

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    1. Re:Don't forget this one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmmmmm.....funny

      if the electron HAD quarks!

  11. In related news... by arvindn · · Score: 0, Redundant
    New element discovered!


    The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by researchers at the University of Fulchester. The element, tentatively named Administratium, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0. However, it does have 1 neutron, 125 assistant neutrons, 75 vice neutrons and 111 assistant vice neutrons. This gives it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons.

    Since it has no electrons, Administratium is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every reaction it comes in contact with. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratium caused one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than one second. Administratium has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not actually decay but instead undergoes a reorganisation in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons and assistant vice neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that the atomic mass actually increases after each reorganisation.

    Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratium occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations and universities and can usually be found in the newest, best appointed and best maintained buildings.

    Scientists point out that Administratium is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how Administratium can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising.

    Source: http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/science/administratium .html

    1. Re:In related news... by SubjunctiveSam · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid I disagree with the link in your sig. I find that it is easier to memorize pi using Pseudonumerology, a better kind of mnemonics. Try it out. I've memorized a couple hundred terms, many of which I only needed to read the associated phrase once. Each phrase is linked to the next. It is quite easy to do after you learn the system, and very very easy to refresh if you haven't given pi any thought for a while.

  12. Binding force gets stronger with distance? by Lafe · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "The new particle called the Ds (2317), which combines a charm quark with another heavy quark - an anti strange, has unexpected properties that will provide insight into the force that binds the quarks together. This force, unlike most others in nature, becomes stronger as the distance between the two quarks increases."
    So, if I read this right, as long as you have enough of these particles, or none of them, you're fine.

    But what happens if you've only got one of them here, and the nearest other one is in a neighboring galaxy? Massive destruction? Infinite attraction? Or just enough attraction to get a geek a date?
    1. Re:Binding force gets stronger with distance? by judowillreturns · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Quarks are particles 'inside' (that compromise) other sub-atomic particles. Therefore there are many of them.
      No problem.

    2. Re:Binding force gets stronger with distance? by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is a very simplistic response, but it'll have to do:

      The situation you describe (two isolated/bare quarks or antiquarks, separated by a vast distance) can't really occur in the theory. It takes energy to separate the quarks/antiquarks in a subatomic particle; and because of the force getting stronger as the distance increases, it keeps taking more and more energy. As you separate the quarks, you're raising the potential energy of the system, just as if you were rolling a ball up the side of a bowl. Eventually you've put enough energy into the system to allow the creation of new particles -- specifically, a quark-antiquark pair, each member of which binds to the two quarks you're trying to separate, giving you two subatomic particles where before you had one (and still no bare quarks).

      This phenomenon (among others) occurs all the time in particle accelerators in which hadrons (that is, particles made up of quarks and antiquarks) are collided, such as the Tevatron at Fermilab or the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. Protons at high energies collide with protons or antiprotons, and the input energies of the colliding particles provide the energy necessary for particle creation in the process described above.

    3. Re:Binding force gets stronger with distance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As you separate the quarks, you're raising the potential energy of the system, just as if you were rolling a ball up the side of a bowl. Eventually you've put enough energy into the system to allow the creation of new particles
      But what if you could somehow prevent the formation of the new particles? Wouldn't this allow you to store an arbitrary amount of energy? If so, could you build a very tiny battery based on such a device to power, say, a car?
    4. Re:Binding force gets stronger with distance? by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 1

      But what if you could somehow prevent the formation of the new particles?

      There is no mechanism in the theory to do that.

    5. Re:Binding force gets stronger with distance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A very tiny battery the size of the galaxy separating the particles.

    6. Re:Binding force gets stronger with distance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a force which permeates us, which binds the galaxy together. Beware its dark side.

    7. Re:Binding force gets stronger with distance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The binding force is confined to a tube between the quarks. When the distance between the quarks gets large enough, the energy density in the tube is enough to generate a qq_ pair, and thence a pair of mesons.

      e.g. let q1q2 be a meson
      Then, if you attempt to separate the quarks, you end up with

      q1q2 - quarks confined to a meson
      q1=q2 - separation
      q1===q2 - increasing force between the quarks, hence increasing energy in the tube
      q1==qq_==q2 - qq_ pair formed from the energy in the tube (m = E/c^2)
      q1q q_q2 - et voila! two new mesons

  13. Perpetual motion, here I come... by clambake · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This force, unlike most others in nature, becomes stronger as the distance between the two quarks increases.

    For the physicists out there, if this forces is true, then what stops somone from developing a device based on it and, say, some electromagetic force (or just plain old gravity) where by each side pushes and pulls in balance so that they actually generate energy.

    Like for eample, have a "Ds" particle bolted to the top of a room, and drop a second "Ds" particle directly from it, it would be pulled by gravity until the point where the strange inverted force gets strong enough to pull it back up. As it goes back up, that force diminshes, and then gravity takes over again, etc.

  14. Re:Perpetual motion, here I come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    What you suggest is similar to taking a ball, tying a bungee cord around it, and dropping it off a bridge. In the same manner, after a few oscillations, it would simply come to rest at the balance point between the two forces.

  15. Re:Perpetual motion, here I come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hmm...I really can't tell if you are joking or not. This is never going to happen due to the scale at which these forces work. The strong nuclear force prevents free quarks from being observed. This is called confinement and is due to quantum chromodynamics (QCD). If a enough energy is pumped into a particle composed of quarks, the energy enevtually goes into creating a new quark pair, therefore satifying confinement (no free quarks). The amount of energy to do this is staggering. Think GeV or higher particle accelerator. Any other time the distances over which these forces work (10^-18 m) prevents much of anything being extracted.

  16. What's the difference? by barawn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because the definition of a "particle" in this case is completely arbitrary. It's a charm and an antistrange quark in a bound configuration. You can 'imagine' it as the charm and the antistrange orbiting each other (though this isn't strictly true!) There's a 'ground state' for a D_s+, which is like 1970 MeV as I said above. This is an 'excited state'. In particle physics you call excited states new 'particles'.

    We know we didn't 'invent' it because a c and an s_bar existed a long time before this guy. We just put them together in a weird way.

  17. Ds? What the..? by strangedquark! · · Score: 1
    What idiot got to name this particle??? I was expecting a name a bit less ... dumb. It should at least be named after someone's dog or something; not just two arbitrary letters randomly picked form the alphabet.

    I suggest it be renamed the "code-red" particle (as i am drinking that now); the "twinkie" particle; or perhaps even the "Jugs, the magazine for men" particle...

  18. Re:Perpetual motion, here I come... by harrkev · · Score: 1

    You ***CAN*** do this....

    Take a mass and hang it from a spring. This will represent "The (strong) Force". Gravity, as always, will work. You then pull the mass to the floor. The spring pulls it up. When it reaches the ceiling, gravity will pull it down.

    All you have to do to make this into perpetual motion is to suck all of the gas from the room, and find a new type of spring with no internal friction losses. It will bounce forever!

    Now, getting energy from such a system would cause it to slow down and stop. Feel free to try this experiment if you wish!

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  19. The Starbucks Particle by August_zero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We should let whoever pays for the research name it.

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    1. Re:The Starbucks Particle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We should let whoever pays for the research name it.

      Perhaps Dave Smith paid for the research of the Ds particle.

  20. Re:Perpetual motion, here I come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried it, but I think my roommate complained after all the gas was sucked from the room. I'll know more when I can go back in and read the note.