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SARS and the Internet

AndroidCat writes "In this story scientists who cracked SARS' genetic code credit the Internet as a key: 'The Internet has had a profound impact on how this data has been shared and how scientists have collaborated.' The Internet has also been useful in containing the outbreak by facilitating online discussion by ER doctors. Not mentioned in the stories is that Toronto researchers who were in quarantine were able to stay in touch. Slashdot has also covered Distributed Computing Attacking SARS. Go Internet!"

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  1. SARS and distributed computing by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a shame that though a large number of the Internet community will altruistically join the fight against SARS, voluteering thier computer's processing power and the electricity used to keep it running, while the likely (pecuniary) beneficiary will be a giant biotechnology firm, which will quickly patent any findings that are uncovered by the distributed computing program.

    Since you volunteer your computer, I would bet that this fact does not need to be stated in any EULA.

    1. Re:SARS and distributed computing by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where's the shame in that? The fact is that these firms are working hard to provide therapies that could only be dreamt of years ago - they should be rewarded, along with the shareholders that provide the resources to make it happen. Are the altruistic volunteers getting taken advantage of in any way? Not that I see - all that happens in your scenario is that a solution gets developed, lives are saved, and a firm gets financially rewarded for doing so. That is a good thing.

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    2. Re:SARS and distributed computing by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you are describing is different from what is (likely) occuring. The firm is not doing research, but allowing others to unknowingly provide them with computational power to brute-force a solution.

      The persons volunteering for this program are doing so in the belief that their efforts will help in saving the lives of those infected or those that might be infected with the disease. HOWEVER, what they will wind up doing is helping only those who can afford the medications that are created (under a patent-enforced monopoly), or those who live under a government that can afford the medications for them.

      Many of those in capitalistic societies without socialized medicine or insurance, like 30 million in the United states will not be able to afford this medication.

      However, if the findings from the program were immediately given to the public domain, I would be more in agreement with the ethics.

      Though, I do not agree that being rewarded financially from free-market sales of medicines is a good thing. The poor are not less human or less deserving of good health than the rich. They deserve to live healthily. Though you may not agree, I believe it is the duty of a society to provide for the healthcare of all those in that society.

    3. Re:SARS and distributed computing by Musashi+Miyamoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Find someone who will spend a billion dollars trying to find a cure for some disease without the possiblity to get any of that billion back. If the US government funded healthcare entirely, there would be a point.

      Exactly my point.

      With a free market system, the main drugs being researched are those that rich white men want. How many male potency, hair growth, depression, non-drowsy antihistamine drugs do we need?

      I'm not trying to imply that any of those drugs are bad, but that the free-market causes those to come first. The free market ALSO causes pharmaceutical companies to spend 60% of their budgets on marketing, while never requiring them to prove that their drugs are any better than the existing public-domain ones. All the FDA requires is proof that the drug works to some degree and that it is safe. If asprin is more effective than your drug, it does not matter.

      Most egregious is that the free market causes drug companies to stress treatment of diseases rather than cures. Why cure a disease entirely when you can get repeat sales for your treatment for the remainder of the patient's life?

    4. Re:SARS and distributed computing by freestyle-fiend · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why should I charitably help one company research towards a cure rather than another? Why not have a non-profit organisation to provide the 'Intellectual Property' resulting from distributed computing for free. If this is not practical, then the findings could be patented by an exhaustive corporate consortium (open to any company which decided to participate) or a non-profit organisation.

    5. Re:SARS and distributed computing by not+Mr.T · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know if I am quite that cynical. In this case, two labs a sharing the coronavirus mapping freely so that peer review can take place. Companies that want to make a quick buck aren't so quick to share. What strikes me as a bit odd is why they would bother when other researchers are only able to identify the presence of coronavirus in 40% of SARS patients. Admittedly, this might be because the virus doesn't hold up well in the lab, making it difficult to identify even when present. But it's got a bad smell about it.

  2. Re:Was it like this back in the day? by (trb001) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the same reason that people backpat each other about television...a great number of people say there's nothing but trash on television, but when an event like 9/11 occurs and television is the only outlet for information because all the freakin phones are tied up, people suddenly realize that there is a reason, other than watching Survivor, for having a television.

    A great many of our 'innovations' come from entertainment sources...optics, radio, computing, to name a few. You don't, on a daily basis, hear people extolling the virtues of entertainment devices, but every once in awhile we remember that there ARE non-recreational uses for them.

    --trb

  3. Internet good in another way too by elliotj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the major problems facing us with regard to pandemics thesedays is air travel. In the past, SARS would not have spread directly from Hong Kong to Toronto for example.

    The Internet also provides help in this area by making it less necessary to make physical trips to do business or keep in touch with friends and family.

    One of the recent trends in Business Continuity Planning for example is considering the idea of a the virtual workplace as a hot site. How useful is a physical backup location if your workers can't sit in the same room together for medical reasons? For this reason, I suspect the Internet will continue to play an increasingly important role in emergency management.

  4. Re:See, the Internet is good for something by pmz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I often here friends and collegues disgusted by the Internet, or simply bored by it. There's nothing to do on it they claim except play some games, check a few popular web sites, instant message, etc.

    I think a lot of people are taking the Internet for granted. E-Mail, in spite of SPAM, has revolutionized business (it's like a phone call with automatic transcription, very useful). Sites like Slashdot, in spite of trolls, stupid people, and repeat articles, are informative with quick feedback about problems with articles (taken as a whole, it is decent journalism when read properly). Websites are now the de facto method for distributing product documentation, user manuals, and catalogs (no more waiting 6 weeks for a lost user manual). Google can provide instant answers to questions (what kind of snake did we see at the park? what are the unofficial jumper settingss for my mobo? what are common experiences with product X?).

    There is one downside to the internet: volume. Try searching for a particular type of software and find 1000 companies selling their "solution" for all your problems. Try searching for a job and realize that there are literally thousands of job websites out there.

    Sometimes, the Internet makes me feel big; other times, it makes me feel really really small.

  5. Re:Free trip to Toronto by PunchMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're not crazy, I live in Toronto, don't know anyone with SARS. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who has SARS. Everyone at the office howls with laughter when we get an e-mail from overseas asking if we're ok and how the situation is.

    Find any great deals, go for them! You've got nothing to worry about.

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  6. argh by bryanthompson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you saying in your post that you'd rather they didn't do this research?

    keep trolling with your leftist agenda. it's sad that a post like that passes for insightful or interesting. The fact is, this is a good thing. I'm sure if you spent the time creating what they're doing, you'd want something in return.

    This helps everyone. From people in toronto to china to the US. Finding a cure for sars will restore confidence in travel and economies. I know toronto in particular has had a bad hit from the bad publicity.

    Anti-establishment, anti-capitalism types push this off as a bad thing that only helps corporations. Clearly they haven't though it thorugh, or they're just living in lala land.

  7. Re:See, the Internet is good for something by Peterus7 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    However, as we've seen on Slashdot, people still take time to carefully think their replies, rather kneejerk flaming, right? :^P

    Flame from a few weeks ago.

    You can go fuck yourself too. Want evidence for that? You're a prick. There, that's your evidence.

    It still happens. There are some idiots here on slashdot, and despite best efforts to exterminate them with a flame thrower, they keep on popping up. We hope to eradicate them by modding them down and such, but they are very immature. Our hopes are that they will go back to their room in their mom's house and play Mario Sunshine or Yu Gi Oh instead of wasting our time.

    Wow, I just flamed flamers. I feel dirty.

    Problem is usually nobody sees them because they post anonymously and are under most people's threshhold, so moderators don't see it and therefore don't mod them down.

    I think someone should be given a bunch of mod points, then sent every day to type in all the insults into the search and look through all the comments to see which ones are flames, and mod em down.

    Although you couldn't pay me enough.

  8. Open communication saves lives by Tiger+Smile · · Score: 3, Insightful


    While I get the distinct feeling that governments fear free and unmolested communications, and to a lesser extent corperations, they must also realize it's importance.

    In the United States of America, durring it's forming, we included free and open communication as part of the supreem law of the land. Nothing can trump it.

    By voicing ideas, by communicating there is no problem that cannot be solved. Sure a good right can also be used by a bad person to some evil ends. That happens. But that is a price of this freedom.

    Still the benefits always out weigh any problems.

    Help keep alive the right of free and open communication, the right of the people to gather peaceably assemble(online or in person). If you don't have this right where you live. I firmly believe you should have it. Do what you can to insure you keep or gain this right.

    Know you rights...

    First Amendment

    Crongress shall make no law respecing an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people to peacably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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  9. Re:This disease is blown way out of proportion. by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right now, the response to SARS can be considered to be disproportionate. However, SARS seems to have been a recent member of human-infecting virii and may refine its infectiousness through rapid mutation/evolution. Stopping it now can save many lives later on.

    Just imagine if the first hundred people with AIDS were quarantined. How many lives would that have saved?

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  10. Re:This disease is blown way out of proportion. by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Insightful
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