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Stallman Meets KDE Team for Tea

fishermonger writes "Trying to imoprove relations, the french KDE team invited RMS to tea at Linux Solutions 2003. From the piece: 'He asked whether KDE people were saying "Gnu/Linux" or just "Linux", and Open Source or Free Software. I told him some of us are using KDE/Gnu/Linux which pleased him as an answer.' Many pearls in the article."

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  1. do people really? by drizuid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    i always just call it linux no matter what kind I'm using.. do people actually call it gnu/linux rather than linux? or even KDE/Gnu/Linux ??

    do you just type it, or actually say "I use gnu linux"

    1. Re:do people really? by Avakado · · Score: 5, Interesting

      do you just type it, or actually say "I use gnu linux"

      I say I use Debian. If I talk to someone who doesn't know what Debian is, I say I use a free (Norwegian has a separate word for free as in freedom) operating system including Linux, called Debian. Otherwise I say the name of the specific software I am talking about ("I'm having problems configuring XFree86", "KDE uses a long time to load", "I can't use BSD without the GNU toolchain", "Linux lacks support for my sound card") where other people would just say Linux.

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    2. Re:do people really? by RevAaron · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've known some folks who actually say, outloud, "I use Guhnoo Leenucks." All of them were pretty damned pretentious stick-up-butt-types. I've known some peop

      How about we all just start calling "Linux" or "GNU/Linux" AWUOS- "a wannabe unix OS," which really captures the essence of linux, gnu, xfree, kde gnome, etc. That way, if my system, for some reason or another uses less than 23% GNU code I won't have to waste my time tallying it up and deciding whether or not I should say "GNU/Linux" or just "Linux."

      Man, I used to really respect RMS. Maybe I was just young and dumb. Yes, GNU has contributed some awesome code to the world, but why the hell does he enjoy going out of his way to be an asshole? The XFree guys aren't telling everyone Linux should be called GNU/Xfreenux. It's sad- RMS must have some big feelings of inadequacy to press the issue so hard and so often. I honestly feel bad for the guy...

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  2. not always kde/gnu/linux by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I (sometimes) use KDE under FreeBSD. And I know people that use it with Solaris, and OSX. KDE doesn't require GNU or Linux, it requires QT (which usually implies X11) X/QT/KDE is more accurate.

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  3. Re:Y'Know... by abe+ferlman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The instant somebody starts telling you to use one word instead of another, you're no longer communicating. You're proselytizing.

    Quick, what part of the world is "Palestine"? Is the inheritance tax really the "death tax" or the other way around? Homicide bombers or suicide bombers? Terrorists or freedom fighters? Burma or Myanmar?

    You see, what words are appropriate depend very much on a point of view. Language is not static with respect to the world; the names we use for different things influence very much how we think about them.

    Now, in this case I think Stallman is stubbornly fighting a losing battle, but to hear him tell it the savaging he gets on slashdot every time this topic comes up is less significant than the opportunities that the occasionaly use of the phrase gnu/linux creates for people to hear about the freedom part of free software.

    Perhaps you could make a more constructive suggestion about how RMS & co. could get their point across in a less annoying abut equally or more effective fashion?

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  4. Re:I would of said we do not use gnukde or gnulinu by greenrd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Haha, nice troll.

    No, the intention of the GPL is to *lower programmer's wages*. Stallman freely states this.

    No, he doesn't. Cite one place where he's ever said this.

    Now, granted, that's not ALL workers, but given he's a communist

    He describes himself as a liberal, not a communist. Of course to some right-wing nutjobs that's the same thing.

    - yes, the ideals behind the GPL are communism, no matter how much many out there would prefer to deny it.

    So, the ideal of not buying cars with their hoods welded shut is "communist" too, is it?

    Or the ideal of having techies paid for services - technical support, and custom programming (which is what a large part of the programming workforce does anyway - most professional programmers aren't paid to work on Office or OpenOffice.) - is "communism"?

    If you're not trolling, then you're just a whiner who doesn't realise that no-one gave you the right to have a job handed to you on a silver platter. If someone makes a free replacement for MS Office which is so good that everyone switches over to it - they have just put all the MS Office programmers out of work. Tough. They can now do something more productive with their lives. It doesn't make moral or financial sense to pay them to produce a product which no-one will buy. And that is not "communist" either - that is just free market logic. Same thing happens every year with all kinds of product every year - this is not at all specific to the GPL.

    (And I stand by all these points, even though I am pretty much a communist!)