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"False" Open source Representative Tells EU Patents OK

Onno writes "Bruce Perens claims in this article That a false free software/open source advocate claims to EU parlement that software Patents are ok. " This is a strange article on a lot of levels so I'm gonna avoid commentary. You definitely should read it though- it's just that odd.

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  1. Now that's odd... by davemabe · · Score: 5, Funny

    It must really be an odd article if we should actually read the article before posting a reply.

  2. Re:Ok.... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Funny

    So we know we hate this guy and he'd never be our official representative, but who *is*?

    Never mind "this guy," who's this "we" you are talking about?

  3. Is there a summary of arguments by Albanach · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Most of us know software patents are bad. Most of us object to them. However, has anyone compiled a list of reasons in nice, plain english (or other european langauge) that we can use to summarise the arguments to our MEPs.

    These are busy people. They don't have the time or will to learn what it's all about - they need a summary that says what would happen, what's at stake and what their individual countries could lose out from if these patents are implimented. Has anyone worked on this?

  4. Re:Please back off in the "false" label by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    Various European folks in our community have contacted him. He has replied with blather and generalities like "Europe is not going for a US-style patent system" to excuse himself. They appealed to me for help. Had they gotten any progress with him, I would not be writing the article.

    Bruce

  5. This Happens All The Time by Romothecus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sort of thing happens with environmental and consumer issues all the time. Corporations fund groups that, on the surface, appear to be grass-roots, citizens organizations (real activists call them "Astro-turf" lobbies.)
    For example, the "National Wetlands Council" presents itself as a citizen lobby that is concerned about the environment, but in relaity it's sponsored by the oil and real estate industries who want turn wetlands into shopping malls and drilling sites.
    "Keep America Beautiful" is funding by the bottling industry and sponsors anti-litter campaigns while lobbying against any kind of mandatory recycling for the corporations.
    "Consumer Alert" fights government regulations of product safety.
    Massive industries funding what basically corporate front-groups is no surprise. Someone find out where that guy's funding come froms - I bet he has several large software companies behind. Since the average person, even the average legislator, doesn't undertsand the Open Source movement, it's easy for corporations to obscure the issue like this.

  6. Business decision by SolemnDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Congressional representatives assume the same thing- that written letters represent voting percentages. And as much as they love to have money on their side, and money wins elections- the money follows the people, as well. People who write letters to congress are likely to vote with their wallets as well as their words.

    And it's a mistake to think that a few hundred letters won't help turn a tide. I live in MA. And my representatives send me form letters when i write in. But sometimes those form letters reflect that i'm definitely among a large number writing in... when i wrote to protest ANWR drilling... i got back letters explaining that the reps i wrote to "Won't let down the many concerned citizens," in the vote on the issue. (and they didn't.) Politicians know that they can get voted out of office- and that for every letter written, a chunk of money has just been allocated for or against their campaign, and in many cases they can look at the donation balance sheet, see which companies support or don't support the decision, and go for money from the companies supporting the decision LEAST likely to infuriate their constituents. Granted, it doesn't always work, it's not an ideal system. But a few tips for writing to congress:

    always list the bill that you're concerned about, if you know the official title number.

    stick to one issue per letter.

    don't use form letters. If there's a service that will write them for you- and there are many online- see that you edit out catchphrases and change the wording enough to make it an original letter, not a 'boilerplate.'

    Send it by mail if you can- physical mail means a lot.

    USE YOUR ADDRESS. they need to know that you're a registered voter in their constituency.

    be polite and to the point, and tell them that you are discussing the matter- and their response- with your friends, family, coworkers, anyone who will listen. That's gotten me much more personalised responses.

    don't be afraid to call, fax, write to thank them after the vote, or express your disapproval with their vote, after the issue is voted upon.

    I know that special interest groups have lots of power, and that's why we should support the ones who support the issues that we care about (like the EFF or the DEN) but we also have a strong voice, wehn we choose to use it, as individuals. If we don't speak up, we can't argue when our reps cave in to special interests with no dissenting voice from the public. And if there's one thing slashdotters are great at, it's dissent!!! (yay!!!!)

  7. Re:Software Patents by royalblue_tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The trouble is, where is the line drawn between "obvious" patents, and new "inventions". The patent office has been notoriously bad in deciding these.

    > There would be nothing stopping ...

    Yes, there is. A patent these days is not considered a mechanism to earn your money back. It's considered a license to print money by gouging the market. For every individual who gets his patent in, the corporations will patent hundreds of blindingly obvious algorithms, if only to counter other patents. And corporations aquire rights in buy outs (cough! SCO cough!).

    Remember, a patent is not a copyright. It's not protecting that exact implementation - it even prevents you doing the same thing another way. People already have copyright protection for their software.

    Try writing software if someone got a patent for all the design patterns. Or for auto code generation. They don't really have to fight it in court because you personally probably couldn't afford the first round defending yourself (all the prior art not withstanding). And they know it. Some of these cases run to millions.

    IANAL

  8. Re:Software Patents by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What could happen is bad enough that I don't understand why you would not want to talk about it.
    There's this guy with a gun outside of my door, officer.
    Has he shot you yet?
    No.
    Then why do you think he will shoot you? I don't see why we should do anything about it.

    Well, it sounds as if we lost the TUX2 phase-tree filesystem, something very innovative, because its author was intimidated by a patent holder. We couldn't use public key encryption in free software for a long time. There is a NeXT patent that is keeping us from putting instant-test in our GUI construction programs. I could go on.

    Bruce