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NASA Sending Probe to Saturn

Plissken writes "Nasa along with the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency have launched a towards Saturn in hopes of obtaining vital data to help understand the mysterious, vast region. The Cassini-Huygens mission is composed of two elements: The Cassini orbiter that will orbit Saturn and it's moons for four years, and the Huygens probe will dive into the depths of Titan and land on it's surface. If all goes well, more than 200 scientists worldwide will study the data collected."

200 comments

  1. FP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    FP!!

  2. when will they... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    send a probe to uranus?

  3. FP !!!! ME !!! At Last !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Yeeeehhhaaaa !!!!!!

  4. Will the /. effect work on NASA or ESA by smoyer · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I guess we'll see!

  5. Penis Bird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  6. news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Uhh.. Didn't they launch Cassini a *ling* while ago?
    What's the news value of this?

    1. Re:news? by dWhisper · · Score: 2, Informative

      This probe was launched a while back. The intersection with the planet is in a little over a year, but I figured this was old news.

    2. Re:news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Wake me up when they send a probe to ur-anus.

  7. Old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    How long has this mission been running for .. is slashdot really stuck in a timewarp?

  8. Michael, the Slashdot Janitor, On the Other Hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Is sending a 'probe' to Uranus.

  9. It won't... by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    People that can think about Stellar IP, and assign an IP to the Moon, don't have to be afraid of the /. effect...

    They just turn their DNS in such a way that your packets have to go to Saturn, Jupiter, Webhop in a small private Europa-Io-X firewall and then allow you access to 0.0.0.1:0.0.0.255 (Earth)

    Hopefully, your lag will only be a couple centuries.

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    1. Re:It won't... by shish · · Score: 1

      In some of the kernel docs it's written (quoted from old memory) that the TCP timeout can be maxed to 255 seconds, so sorry, no SpaceQuake :(

      Does IPv6 have longer timeouts, or will we need *another* systems specifically for space comms?

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    2. Re:It won't... by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We already do need another system for space comms. On Starband, using regular TCP/IP, you only get 56k modem speeds. You must use their special modified TCP/IP drivers that are Windows-only to be able to get broadband level download speeds. TCP/IP, as currently implemented, does not lend itself to high latency connections.

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  10. FP? by smoyer · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    How can any of you "Anonymous Cowards" claim a FP? Seems like kind of an empty victory to me.

    1. Re:FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
      How can any of you "Anonymous Cowards" claim a FP? Seems like kind of an empty victory to me.

      That's where you are wrong my friend. A victory for any one of us is a victory for the entire Anonymous Coward collective.

  11. 200 scientists by E.+T.+Alveron · · Score: 3, Insightful
    it's a shame space probe data is disseminated to only the 200 with influence/money/connections to NASA's good ol boy network...

    someone tell me the data is public domain... anyone?

    1. Re:200 scientists by dakers27 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Well, that sounds like a good idea, but think about it..... What if information on Saturn were to fall into the hand of terrorists? Releasing the data into the public domain could be a threat to national security, plus, its not like the project was funded by your tax dollars, oh wait...... :P

    2. Re:200 scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All the data from NASA missions is normally
      released in the public domain after 12 months.
      The delay is to give their scientists a head
      start in the publicating their work.

      In some cases the data is witheld like in the
      case of the almost global world RADAR map with
      30 m resolution

    3. Re:200 scientists by JimPooley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So what exactly would you do with the raw data from the probe? They're probably just giving it out to people who are actually capable of using it. There'd be no point NASA being slashdotted by people who have absolutely no use for raw data just going in to have a look...

      --

      "Information wants to be paid"
    4. Re:200 scientists by EasyTarget · · Score: 1, Funny

      ...people who have absolutely no use for raw data...

      I have a use for it, I'd analyse it to death until I have some sort of sequence that matches the dimensions of the Pyramids, preferably also chucking in the orientation of Stonehenge and distance of Easter Island from Atlantis.

      Then I'd write a book.

      Perhaps I should patent my Business plan first? or is there prior art?

      --
      "Oops, I always forget the purpose of competition is to divide people into winners and losers." - Hobbes
    5. Re:200 scientists by Vulch · · Score: 5, Informative

      The researchers who get immediate access to the data are the ones who have already spent a decade or more of their lives working on the project. In return for their long-term commitment to the project they get the raw data first. After an agreed amount of time, which can vary from project to project but is meant to be long enough to analyse the numbers and write a paper on the subject, the data is made more widely available.

      Most space missions including the Hubble Telescope work the same way. Apart from the occasional "pretty" picture used for publicity, the researchers who have planned a set of observations get the first chance to analyse and publish. Those who don't want to make the up-front commitment just have to be patient.

    6. Re:200 scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think I've ever wished harder that I had mod points. Travesty.

      Ah well. If either of those Overrateds come my way in metamod, they're going _down_!

    7. Re:200 scientists by JWW · · Score: 1

      Yep, I've seen raw data that comes off of the Lansat satellites, and it's pretty ugly stuff.

      The scientests involved will more than likely release pretty pictures for you to look at anyway.

    8. Re:200 scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither overrated, nor underrated mods show up in Meta-mod. Hence why Mods use them now.

    9. Re:200 scientists by Vireo · · Score: 1

      Another reason for giving raw data to the mission's science team first is that they were part of the mission design and know how to calibrate and correct the measurements. Raw data seldom can be used "as is"; it must be filtered, corrected for a bunch of instrumental and spacecraft drifts, etc.

      In mission-speak, the first thing to do is transform raw data (Level 1A) into corrected data (Level 1B), before it is ready to be processed and interpreted (Level 2 and above). Mission scientists don't want uninformed scientist to apply ad-hoc calibration and corrections to Level 1A data and publish results which contradicts theirs just because they applied the wrong transformation.

    10. Re:200 scientists by saider · · Score: 1

      Most of the pretty pictures look nothing like the raw data. Many pictures are taken in various wavelengths and the final image is a composite of several exposures with false colors used for invisible wavelengths. Many of those releases are from observations months beforehand.

      SOHO is one satellite that does give everyone near realtime access to the data. Some amateur astronomers use this data to find new comets.

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    11. Re:200 scientists by burns210 · · Score: 1

      "There'd be no point NASA being slashdotted by people who have absolutely no use for raw data just going in to have a look... " my government, my money, my data.

  12. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  13. Thirteenth post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  14. Ugh, this is 6 1/2 years old by Crazieeman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I knew /. liked to post old stuff, but its starting to get out of hand

  15. Chilling document reveals: What Killed FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    The End of FreeBSD

    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It'

  16. Measurements.... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nasa along with the European Space Agency

    ESA Engineer: We need to calibrate the spinoff vector 3 micrometers forward.
    NASA Engineer: Micrometers?
    ESA Engineer: Yes, metric units.
    NASA Engineer: Metric?

    A bit over the top perhaps, but it's not like it hasn't happened before ;)

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    1. Re:Measurements.... by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um, excuse me?

      This has been beaten to death already. Can we get over the stupid metric jokes? And if your going to do them, can you at least get them RIGHT?

      I am quite positive that ESA would use metric, and infact, NASA uses metric too.

      Why did we lose the Mars Climate Orbiter? Precisely because NASA *does* use Metric, but NASA's outsourcing to Lockheed Martin, unfortunately, doesn't. American coroporations persist on using ye olde system, while NASA infact DOES use metric.

      So don't pay out NASA, they did it right. Lockheed Martin fucked this one up.

      D.

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    2. Re:Measurements.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually both Lockheed Martin & NASA f*cked up; LM for using imperial units, NASA for not checking what LM had done (a basic rule in the space industry is that you document everything, and you check everything).

    3. Re:Measurements.... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 2, Funny

      This has been beaten to death already. Can we get over the stupid metric jokes? And if your going to do them, can you at least get them RIGHT?

      I'm sorry if the joke offends you, but it was meant as a joke, not an I-point-out-stupid-Americans exercise.

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    4. Re:Measurements.... by stoborrobots · · Score: 3, Funny

      IIRC, the Fuckup was that Lockheed HAD used metric measurements, but NASA "corrected" the metric coordinates into the imperial ones before sending them...

      So NASA bad, LM good... or something like that...

    5. Re:Measurements.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if the U.S. would grow up and join the rest of the planet using a decent, standardized system (metric) instead of an ancient, clumsy one, stuff like this wouldn't happen at all.

      I find it hilarious and sad that even within the U.S, agencies like NASA need to convert to outmoded "imperial" units when working with their contractors. Do they measure the Shuttle's fuel efficiency using the number of "rods to a hogs-head" too?

    6. Re:Measurements.... by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Metric jokes? It's the ones about NASA sending a probe to uranus that are really getting old.

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    7. Re:Measurements.... by CausticWindow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You almost make it sound like I-point-out-stupid-Americans exercises are bad.

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    8. Re:Measurements.... by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't the scientists and engineers use the SI system? I thought it was the scientific unit system already? And also, this joke isn't just 'old'. Archaeologists have found it side by side with cave paintings.

    9. Re:Measurements.... by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 1

      I have to add, that the joke isn't much older than the 'news' in this article. Seriously. How many did NOT know of this probe??

    10. Re:Measurements.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Eh?

    11. Re:Measurements.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I used to work in a physics research lab (in the USA) and I found out the reason the US still uses (ahem)British units. All of the machines in Ye Olde Machine Shoppe that are built in the US are built with only British units on them.

      Yup, that's it. The main reason we didn't make the change is that no one wanted to force everyone who works with machining metal to buy all new tools. Or rather, they packed enough political clout to lobby. You can imagine how many Grass-roots votes were won THAT election year this way.

      Now, as to why new tools weren't introduced with _both_ measurements available, I don't know.

    12. Re:Measurements.... by thogard · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Brits had a base 10 system but they gave up centuries ago. The French decide that there are 10,000,000 from the pole to the equator but can't get their figures right.

      It turns out that the meter isn't a good "human" unit for most applications. All day I've been working on building a computer room in Australia. They used to use a foot as unit of measure but now use metric and have for 20+ years. The problem is none of the locals now know metric or imperial. I had a flatemate that was an architecture student at Melboure Uni. Not one of her friends who where in the same program could tell me how wide the lounge room was within 2 meters (its 16 ft as built in the finest tradtions in the 1850's). To me this is very scary considering they are all at least 3 years into an architecture degree.

      The plywood flooring we bought was 3.6m by .9m and it was but some of the other bits that were sold as some x.y meter were infact even feet down to .001 while they were not close to the sold as size.

      All the bolts are in inch sizes but the drill bits are metric. Its a real mess.

      I'm quite happy to deal with the metric system nearly everywhere execpt when it comes to building materials and in that case feet work much better. I know builders in the US that never need to write down measurements, the locals need a spreadsheet to keep the numbers together for small projects.

      If the local police hear that a suspect is 5'10, they figure +/- 2 inches while if someone says 180 cm they figure +/- 20cm (thats 4x larger than 2 in)

      Realestate in Australia is sold in "square" units (a square, not a square something but simply a square) that only one out of 20 people know about. It could be a quare meter or an acre and most people wouldn't have a clue.

      Most people under 20 in Australia have never delt with non-metric (except for how tall people are an how heavy babies are) and couldn't tell you how big a foot is if they had too but they aren't much better for metric. The Kiwis are about as bad (so I'm not just picking on the Aussies, I just know more of them)

      I propose that a metric foot be a nano-light second (about .299m). That would give the metric world a decent unit for measurement for building.

    13. Re:Measurements.... by edxwelch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is *not* that some one is using the "wrong" measurement system. There will always be two different mesurement systems: Kalvin/Fahrenheit/Celcius whatever, you have to be able to handle the conversion correctly. That's where the problem was.

    14. Re:Measurements.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah, they seem to be quite able to point themselves out for themselves, as the parent parent shows...

    15. Re:Measurements.... by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      The sad part about all this is that there really is no need for more than one system. =(
      The US and UK use feet, inch, mile, etc out of tradition. It would be a very hard and costly endevour to change it.
      The same goes for kalvin vs. fahrenheit vs. celcius, gallon vs. litre, etc. (Though the litre is a metric standard, so maybe that's a bad example)
      No one standard are better than the others. It's just that some countries started using one standard a long time ago and some countries another.
      The world would be better of if everyone could unite around one standard per physical phenomena though...
      It's very frustrating when you need, say, a certain length of something in a even amount of centimeters and end up having to order it in inches with six or seven decimals instead of your nice no-decimals number...

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  17. Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I don't see why we're so interested in Titan. The big deal about Titan is it might have life on it. But the fact is, we live in a vast universe and the possibility that we are the only life is very slim. It's also a particularly arrogant and foolish belief. But if we found life on Titan, it would likely be in the very early stages and it wouldn't be particularly interesting. So I don't see why we're making a huge fuss over it.

    This raises another question. We might be looking for life in all the wrong places. We assume that all life in the universe is created in our image. We expect that chemically, all other life will be similar to ours. When we go hunting for life on other planets and other moons, our search is limited to this kind of life. This is a rather narrow view of things, and who knows what we're missing? For all we know, there could be life in the volcanoes of Venus. It could be Silicon based, and it'd thrive in an environment rich in Sulfur compounds such as Sulfuric acid and Hydrogen sulfide.

    Maybe we're looking in all the wrong places and for all the wrong things. And that's why it's hard for me to get excited about missions like this.

    1. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by stoborrobots · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But that just raises a less tractable question, how do you guess what to look for?

      It's very likely that there is life out there which is not similar to ours... but where do we look?

      Examining everything is impossible... there are just too many places to look, and too many things to look for. We are unlikely to find those (non-relationship-guide-human-females) Silicon-based Venusians unless they were broadcasting in English on FM frequencies. And even then, we'd probably not notice.

      Looking for things like us gives us a target to work towards.

      And every little while, there is something slightly off the main track which is interesting, and we find out more about our universe. Maybe even discover silicon-based life in an environment similar to ours somewhere. That could then open our eyes to what to look for to find silicon-based life elsewhere. Then we turn to Venus and see what was staring us in the face all along.

      So we are not assuming that "all life is created in our image". We are just using all the models of life we currently know of to start our search.

    2. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Dan+B. · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but Titan may also be a massivley available fuel source, already in a high orbit, a long way from Earth where future outer space missions can be launched from.

      If life exists on Titan, the human race will seek to exploit it for our own goals of exploration to other worlds. Not a hugely good thing, but good none the less.

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    3. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by WegianWarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But if we found life on Titan, it would likely be in the very early stages and it wouldn't be particularly interesting. So I don't see why we're making a huge fuss over it.

      Taking this logic to the extreme, we should only bother to look for not just life, but actuall civilications at least as advanced as our own.. right?

      Wrong! By looking somewhere close and looking for something roughtly simular to the various forms of life we know from earth we can learn a lot. First and foremost, we'll learn that the earth isn't anything special. There is life out there, not just in our imagination, not just around distant stars, but basicly right out there in our own back yard. True, there could exist siliconbased life in the volcanoes on Venus - possible with a life-chemestry analog to the one we find in creatures here on earth that lives near black smokers - but it's a good idea to go look places where we and our probes can surive first, isn't it?

      And maybe we are looking in the right place for the right thing. You never know before you actually takes a look...

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    4. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We expect that chemically, all other life will be similar to ours. "

      Except life very likely are similar to ours. There are only so many elements and chemicals that have the characteristic to support life. Carbon and water are the most versatile stuff in the universe.

    5. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      It's very likely that there is life out there which is not similar to ours... but where do we look?

      My fridge?

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    6. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering that space exploration resourses are limited we have to look for life in places where it has high probabilities of existing AND we have to be able to get to those places easily. Life perhaps could exist on places on venus, but the best spacecraft don't last even a few hours on venus so looking for life there would be futile and destined for failure. Titan on the other hand is chemically similar to early earth and if it has an ocean then that would have spread life all over the whole moon so no matter where the probe lands, if life exists it has a good chance of finding it.

    7. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you say "silicon based"?! You didn't just randomly pick it, you picked it because that's what we would expect to find if the lifeform isn't carbon based... meaning that scientists are very much aware of the possibility of non-carbon based lifeforms; it's just that we can't just sit around doing nothing until we've one day happen to have the technology allowing us to travel to alpha centauri searching for huge non-carbon based civilizations living lifes very very different than ours... Odds are that we are the most common form of life there is, and we do have the technology to visit nearby objects... So what do you think we should do, wait maybe 500 years (and then maybe 200 more before we get the results back) or go do what we already can do?

    8. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...
      But if we found life on Titan, it would likely be in the very early stages and it wouldn't be particularly interesting.
      ...
      We expect that chemically, all other life will be similar to ours. When we go hunting for life on other planets and other moons, our search is limited to this kind of life.
      ...


      First you say that in Titan there could only be life that is in its very early stages. Then you say that contrary to what we expect, all life in the universe is not similar to ours. So how can you expect that the possible life in Titan is in its early stages, if we don't even know what kind of forms life can take?

      I think you should be excited about this mission. If we happen to find something, wheter it's advanced or not, it certainly tells us alot about life.

      ::jl

    9. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can this be so uninteresting? Finding life on other worlds, even in our own solar system, would be an extraordinary discovery. I suspect it would teach us quite a lot about the possible origins of life, where life can start, how it evolves... Maybe we will find something, maybe we wont. Either way we will learn a lot about our interplanetary space around us.

    10. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by mikerich · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I don't see why we're so interested in Titan. The big deal about Titan is it might have life on it. But the fact is, we live in a vast universe and the possibility that we are the only life is very slim. It's also a particularly arrogant and foolish belief. But if we found life on Titan, it would likely be in the very early stages and it wouldn't be particularly interesting. So I don't see why we're making a huge fuss over it.

      I can think of two reasons, the first is purely for the novelty of it - Titan has an atmosphere, no other satellite does.

      The second is more important. Titan appears to have a mixture of organic compounds and nitrogen in its atmosphere, which would make it very similar to the primordial atmosphere on Earth. if we can look at the chemistry of the Titan atmosphere and see what is happening to the compounds on Titan under the influence of solar radiation, we can start to work out what happened on Earth all those billions of years ago.

      I don't think anyone is seriously expecting to find life on Titan, the surface temperature is so low that most chemistry has effectively ground to a halt.

      And even if you aren't excited at the mission, think of the awe-inspiring pictures we're going to get of Saturn and its rings.

      Best wishes,
      Mike.

    11. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by xaaronx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, that's not the only reason Titan is interesting.

      But if we do find even single celled organisms, it is a HUGE F'ING DEAL! Besides the simple proof that we aren't alone, finding life in our own solar system implies that life is probably neither uncommon or insanely spread out. And, if life is that common, intelligent life can't be all that rare.

      The reason we look in Earth-like places for Earth-like life is that we know life like us is possible in conditions like ours. We know how to recognize it and where it might possibly exist. To look for something unlike us in weird environments leaves us flailing about and unlikely to find anything, even if it's there.

      And Titan would be one of (and possibly THE) most hospitable place for humans in the solar system. The air pressure is such that we would need only simple breathing gear and drysuits to keep us warm, which could be augmented by small bleed valves allowing small amounts of oxygen to burn against the methane atmosphere. It also has lots of readily available carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen. These, and other, advantages are discussed in obert Zubrin's Entering Space. The only problem with Titan is its distance from us.

      And if you're not excited by Cassini, what space exploration does interest you? It's well short of what we could have accomplished if the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 and other things done in the late sixties and early seventies to slow down the space program hadn't happened (not to mention the stagnant shuttle program and cheaper/faster/mia), but we have to work with what's available and build upon it.

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    12. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by TnkMkr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why you ask? NASA has been suffering in the last decade (or few) because Joe-public just doesn't see space exploration at 'neat' anymore. Why bother to go out into space when there is nothing but rocks and dust. If even the simplist form of life could be found somewhere other than Earth, It may re-ignite the passion of the general public to reach out and see what we can find. The space program may recieve not only the money, but the intrest of our nation, or the world again.

    13. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never know before you actually takes a look...

      Wanna bet $50 on it? I accept PayPal, in case you want to pay early.

    14. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe there really are actual civilizations at least as advanced as our own. Or maybe more advanced, so that's why they aren't talking to us. You know, life on Titan would have had about as much time to evolve as life on Earth. Maybe a little more, since the outer solar system would've cooled down sooner.

    15. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Jim-gagnon · · Score: 1

      If life is found anywhere off of the Earth - especially in a place like Titan where it's highly unlikely to have been seeded from the Earth - then it's both scientifically and socially reasonable to assume that life is common at least in our portion of the galaxy. This calls into question the Fundamentalist notion of Genesis and thus the validity of most organized religions' teachings. If Science can finally free humanity of the headlock Religion has upon people, then mankind can move beyond the constraints of strict adherance to the teachings of organized religion and into an arena where enlightened discourse can occur on all sorts of topics concerning the essential character of life (such as the true start of the beginning and end an individual's existence, the biological nature of a "soul", etc).

      Only when Mankind is free of the straitjacket of Biblical dictates can true evolution in the social notions of ourselves occur. Finding off-world life, even primordial life, makes this an eventual outcome.

    16. Re:Why all the fuss over finding primordial life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite right - Titan won't have life on it, but it might be like a frozen early-earth, which will enable us to learn more about our own planet - something which has direct value to us.

      That being said, I think it's pretty awesome that the Saturn system is getting it's due as far as exploration goes. Cassini is like the Galileo of Saturn system.

  18. Old stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    This mission started several years ago.
    I suppose the submitter wanted both karma and attention whoring. Soon we'll see the following story:

    New transportation system invented.

    Megawhore writes: I seems that researchers have invented a revolutionary new transportation system called wheel which enables people to get around loads without carrying them....
    I think this will enable us to transport our MP3 server's around.

    1. Re:Old stuff by I+don't+want+to+spen · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I'm ging to file a patent on this with the US Patent Office - don't see why they wouldn't accept this one on their past record!

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    2. Re:Old stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Oh shut up.

  19. What's the news? by g4dget · · Score: -1, Redundant

    It launched in October 2002 and won't arrive until mid-2004. So, what's the news?

    1. Re:What's the news? by FTL · · Score: 4, Informative
      > It launched in October 2002

      It was launched in 1997

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  20. Huh? by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is supposed to be new news??? This is like 7 years old! Cassini has been mentioned on slashdot numerous times, and the fact that Cassini-Huygens is en route to Saturn is pretty common knowledge... why suddenly make a story about it now, as if NASA only just launched this beast...

    Infact there was alot of Cassini news on slashdot (and other sites) when Cassini did its Jupiter flyby, alowing us to examine and study jupiter from 2 vantage points... Cassini on its flyby, and Galileo in orbit.

    Anyway. This'll be fantastic news once Cassini does approach Saturn, and inserts itself into orbit!

    D.

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  21. Old news or Premature news by steve.m · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cassini was launched 15th Oct 1997, and will insert into orbit around Saturn 1st July 2004.

    The spacecraft is in good health and is undergoing routine checkouts of the systems and is downlinking pictues of Saturn.

    Not exactly front page news....

    1. Re:Old news or Premature news by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

      Precisely what i thought. God knows how this got onto front page of slashdot.

      Oh well....

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    2. Re:Old news or Premature news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      LOADING, PLEASE WAIT... You have entered Denny's. You say, 'Hail Denny's hostess' Denny's hostess says 'Hello, Tyranadin. Welcome to Denny's. [Smoking] or [non-smoking]?' You say, 'non-smoking' You say, 'I would like non-smoking please' You say, 'what about non-smoking' Denny's hostess says 'Right this way, please.' You are out of food and drink. Erlen shouts, 'has anyone seen the waiter?' Daegarmo shouts, 'no and ive been camping him for a half hour' You are out of food and drink. Ester shouts, 'I see him' Erlen shouts, 'dont kill him, i still have to do the order quest' You are hungry. You are thirsty. You are out of food and drink. You say, 'Hail Denny's waiter' Denny's waiter says 'Hello, Tyranadin. You look like you could use some [coffee]' You say, 'Yes I'll have some coffee' You say, 'what about coffee' Denny's waiter says 'Ah, excellent! We have [regular] and [decaf].' You say, 'I will have some decaf' You say, 'what about decaf' You say, 'what about decaffeinated coffee' Denny's waiter says 'I expected nothing less of you. Here, take this.' You gain experience! Your faction standing with Juan Valdez got better You drink your coffee. You were hit by non-melee for 39 dmg YOU are burning! You shout, 'Ow hehe this coffee's hot' Kyrani shouts, 'Haha u sux0r' You are hungry. You are out of food. Annoying kid says 'Pikachuuuuuu' Annoying kid tries to hit YOU, but misses! Annoying kid tries to hit YOU, but misses! Annoying kid hits YOU for 3 points of damage. Auto-attack on. You hit Annoying kid for 17 points of damage. You hit Annoying kid for 22 points of damage. You have slain Annoying kid! Your faction standing with Disciplineless Mothers got worse Your faction standing with Denny's Customers got better Your faction standing with The World at Large got better Annoying kid's corpse0 says 'My mother will avenge my death!' You receive 3 copper as your split. You are hungry. You are out of food. Disciplineless mother says 'Your actions and history are a personal affront to all I stand for.' Disciplineless mother begins casting a spell. Disciplineless mother pet is enveloped in flames. Off-duty police officer says 'Hey! No pets in the building!' Disciplineless mother pet hits YOU for 18 points of damage. Off-duty police officer hits Disciplineless mother for 287 points of damage. Off-duty police officer hits Disciplineless mother for 234 points of damage. Off-duty police officer kicks Disciplineless mother for 27 points of damage. Disciplineless mother is slain by Off-duty police officer! Disciplineless mother pet hits YOU for 12 points of damage. Off-duty police officer hits Disciplineless mother pet for 262 points of damage. Off-duty police officer was burned. Disciplineless mother pet is slain by Off-duty police officer! Off-duty police officer says 'Let this be a lesson, that none can withstand the wrath of the San Diego Department of Public Safety.' You are hungry. You are out of food. You say, 'Hail Denny's waiter' Denny's waiter says 'Can I get you some more [coffee]?' You say, 'No, I want to place my order' You say, 'Can I place my order?' You say, 'Let me place my order dammit!' Denny's waiter says 'Ah, would you like to try our [Grand Slam Breakfast]?' You say, 'I will have the grand slam breakfast' Denny's waiter says 'How would you like your [eggs]?' You say, 'scrambled' You say, 'I would like them scrambled' You say, 'what about eggs' Denny's waiter says 'You can have [scrambled eggs] or [fried eggs].' You say, 'I will have scrambled eggs' Denny's waiter says 'Excellent, would you like anything to drink? Some [orange juice], perhaps?' You say, 'I will have orange juice' You say, 'what about orange juice' Denny's waiter says 'Our orange juice is fresh squeezed from concentrate.' You say, 'give me orange juice' Denny's waiter says 'Okay, I'll be right back with your orange juice.' You gain experience! You are hungry. You are out of food. Gordon shouts, 'Attention, your bacon is now raw, because fully-cooked bacon lacks the inherent risks associated with our Vision of Bacon.' Valshire shouts, 'Wait a minute

    3. Re:Old news or Premature news by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "The spacecraft is in good health and is undergoing routine checkouts of the systems and is downlinking pictues of Saturn."

      You mean it didn't break up over earth, spewing radioactive death all across the surface of the planet, killing off all human life in the process? Shouldn't the cockroaches be in power or something?

      Did the "environmental" lobby ever suggest a different power source for space probes going to Saturn?

  22. In other news... by BTWR · · Score: 3, Funny

    NASA launched two probes to the outer solar system in the late 1970's: Voyager and Voyager 2. Slashdot is just reporting this amazing story today...

  23. Late breaking news! by Crazieeman · · Score: 2, Funny

    There was a sudden mass extinction of dinosaurs. More on this as it develops.

    1. Re:Late breaking news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Universe created. "Big bang" suspected cause. More info as it comes in.

    2. Re:Late breaking news! by Mirk · · Score: 1
      [OK, so this is off-topic. I know. But it's interesting.]
      There was a sudden mass extinction of dinosaurs. More on this as it develops.

      Actually, there may or may not have been a sudden mass extinction: it's one of the big, long-running controversies among dinosaur palaeontologists. What's not in doubt is that there was a mass extinction (well, duh!) but the timescale has not been and may never be established - the evidence just doesn't have enough resolution, at 65 million years' distance, to establish whether the dinos died in a day, a month or a hundred thousand years.

      Also: contrary to popular opinion, it is far from universally accepted that a bolide (= meteor or comet) impact was responsible for dinosaur extinction. That is perhaps more widely accepted than any single alternative, but probably less than half of all dino palaeontologists believe it. The strongest alternative theory at the moment seems to be an extended period of extreme volcanic activity resulting in the same kind of "nuclear winter" effect that the bolide is often assumed to have caused. There are plenty of other theories, including but not limited to: radiation from a nearby supernova; disease; climactic changes unrelated to bolide or vulcanism.

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    3. Re:Late breaking news! by Crazieeman · · Score: 1

      Its not the method or length of the period I'm pointing out, its how long ago it happened and poking fun at /.'s consistent way of putting out ancient information... in this case, years old.

  24. The Slashdot Morning Telegraph Sports Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Game 7: Wild stuns Vancouver 4-2

    VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA -- They were flirting with danger, tempting fate. How, Wild players wondered, were they going to pull themselves out of another mess when history said it couldn't be done?

    Turns out, they were simply setting the stage for the crowning achievement in a season that began with modest expectations and morphed into a charmed life of unexpected rewards.

    Given a chance to make history, hockey's Houdini made another improbable escape, overcoming a two-goal deficit to defeat the Vancouver Canucks 4-2 in Game 7 at GM Place and advance to the Western Conference finals.

    Richfield native Darby Hendrickson scored the game-winner on a slapshot with five minutes, 12 seconds remaining in regulation to etch the Wild's name in the record book.

    The Wild became the first team to overcome two 3-1 series deficits in the same postseason. Game 1 against the Anaheim Mighty Ducks will be Saturday at Xcel Energy Center.

    Can you believe it?

  25. I saw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I saw a turtle.

    1. Re:I saw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      sned pix plz

    2. Re:I saw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      teenhollywood_stephanie: Bryce had to get the phone to order pizza!
      teenhollywood_stephanie: Bryce is here with Mr. Graham and the dirty mexican and Bryce!
      Bryce Johnson: Welcome all:) There's the pizza guy!

      lil_miss_america20002000: Do you wonder what life would be like if you weren't famous?
      Bryce Johnson: I wouldn't be here eating pizza or talking on the phone reading my own words, talking on the internet:)

      atomickitten229: What kind of Music do you listen to?
      Bryce Johnson: The question is. What king of music don't I listen to? The answer is Pavarotti. Man strawberry margareta all over the floor. Celine Dion as well.

      atomickitten229: Do you have any pets?
      Bryce Johnson: I have two geekos. Their names are top secret! I do have a VHS fish tank.

      teenhollywood_stephanie: Sorry about the spelling everyone!
      teenhollywood_stephanie: Chris' dirty pick of the week will be coming up in a sec.

      dentyne_blue: If you could go back and change one thing in your life that you did, what would it be? Why would you change it?
      Bryce Johnson: I regret that I didn't hook up with Tammy Lynn Michaels.

      ani_i_n_a: DO you think penis size matters?
      Bryce Johnson: Always:)

      lita2357: Bryce, do u ever get nervous before getting on set?
      teenhollywood_stephanie: Bryce is currently eating meat lovers pizza!
      Bryce Johnson: I'm just trying to wake up most of the time.

      lita2357: Bryce, how did you start your acting career?
      Bryce Johnson: With the first steps. I took baby steps. I'm baby stepping my way through the big time! Recommended reading by BRYCE - Baby Steps by Dr. Leo Marvin.

      crystal_s_rose: For you, happiness is?
      Bryce Johnson: talking on my handless cordless telephone, eating my meat lovers pizza, hanging out with Mr. Graham and Dirty Mex and chatting on Yahoo! with Stephanie Big online hug for everyone!

      Yahooligan_Katee: How long have you been acting?
      Bryce Johnson: 5 years.

      atomickitten229: when was your first kiss?
      Bryce Johnson: 7th grade. Heather. Mouth full of chicklets. She said swallow the chicklets. I'm going to kiss you. That was in Denver:) asl on atomickitten229.

      cmsangel_06: Hey is there gonna be a new season of popular?
      Bryce Johnson: Unfortunately, not:( We've got some great home video and shower scenes of Leslie Bibb:)

      dentyne_blue: What is the food you cannot live without?
      Bryce Johnson: Wendys. Cause they are open late at night! Big hug to Dave Thomas and his square hamburgers. )

      snowing_angel: are you really the real dude or is it just some one makein up answers?
      Bryce Johnson: It is Bryce Johnson without a doubt and my friend can verify!

      teenhollywood_stephanie: I can too!
      teenhollywood_stephanie: Talking on the phone listening to him chomping on pizza:)
      teenhollywood_stephanie: Making me hungry!

      Yahooligan_Anonymus: Do you play an instrument?
      Bryce Johnson: Of course. Harmonica, accoustic guitar, bass, light hip hop scratching

      Yahooligan_Cody: What is life like being an actor?
      Bryce Johnson: Very emotional. It can be stressful. But stress can be a good thing. It brings out the best in you.

      atomickitten229: Bryce I just wanna say that you are my favorite actor and I want to know who is your favorite actor?
      Bryce Johnson: I'm a pressure player. Edward Norton/Brad Pitt and Robert Downey Jr.

      enchilada_sauce: what do you think are the biggest issues kids face today and what role do you think parents and schools play?
      Bryce Johnson: Social acceptance, peer pressure. Trying to fit in. Parents are everything. A kid needs a parent to support them. If they are not there then hopefully the kid will be able to find it somewhere else. Parents should be able to talk about todays issues like drugs, sex and alchol. A lot of time kids feel alienated by their parents.

      hotsmokes13: do u own a mansion
      Bryce Johnson: The dirty mexican just bought a mansion! Congradulations to him.

      TeenHollywood_Host: We are c

  26. And this is 'recent' news? by GraWil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well it seems that CowboyNeal has just awoken from a five year coma. The Cassini-Huygens satellite is currently nearing the end of its seven-year voyage to Saturn! It was launched on way back in October 1997 and will arrive in July 2004. In December 2004 the Huygens probe will be ejected from the orbiter and will descend into Titan's cloudy atmosphere. For those that care, there is a huge archive of Cassini Jupiter data availible. Sadly, there are few (if any) Jupiter publications as it seems a few NASA engineers & scientists are still mucking around with the calibration.

    1. Re:And this is 'recent' news? by Xandar01 · · Score: 1

      > Well it seems that CowboyNeal has just awoken from a five year coma

      Is this why the CowboyNeal option has dissappeared from the polls??

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  27. The bets are on... by kinnell · · Score: 1, Funny

    How long will it take Slashdot to post a dupe of this "story"?

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    1. Re:The bets are on... by Nanoda · · Score: 1

      See, how can the report of reaching orbit be a dupe post? /. has to have this posted now, so that it'll be a dupe in 2004. Either that, or slashdot is trying to beat CNN, and muscle Miss Cleo out in the predictive news business the easy way. ;-)

    2. Re:The bets are on... by aiabx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everyone whined when the transit of Mercury was posted after the fact. This time, the editors are ahead of the curve. This is what the people wanted!
      -aiabx

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  28. In other news.... by Cally · · Score: 1

    "..hats are on heads and ice-creams are in cornets." (Brian Kant, 1975)

    Slow news day, huh?

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  29. Dear Dead Penis Bird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I love you.

    Please stand on my penis.

  30. Probe.... by MoonFog · · Score: 1

    Man, I've been watching to much southpark. Every time I hear the word "probe" I get an image in my head of Cartman "I know it was just a dream" .....

  31. Obligitory by Jacer · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I'm waiting for NASA to probe my anus, or atleast Uranus

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  32. Fill in the blank? by videodriverguy · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...... have launched a towards ....

    So now Slashdot wan'ts us to work out what the story is about? What's next - a totally blank story to comment on?

    1. Re:Fill in the blank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, you're smarter than that. The point of the article is so that we can bitch and moan at each other. Feel your anger!!!

    2. Re:Fill in the blank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the next thing are multiple choice articles, written by the same people who think up the polls around here. :-P

    3. Re:Fill in the blank? by Skater · · Score: 1

      Best advice I've heard: "Proofread carefully to see if you any words out." ;)

      --RJ

    4. Re:Fill in the blank? by AndroidCat · · Score: -1, Funny

      Multiple choice? They must have launched CowboyNeal!

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    5. Re:Fill in the blank? by blinder · · Score: 1

      Maybe "a" is the name of the probe???

      have launched a towards Saturn

      So, its not fill-in-the-blank after all... its just that its probe "a" ???

  33. launched a what ? by EpsCylonB · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Nasa along with the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency have launched a towards Saturn

    A car ?, a piece of fruit ?, a major new military offensive ?. Please don't tell me it's just a boring old probe.

    1. Re:launched a what ? by kinnell · · Score: 1

      You are obviously reading slashdot using as text only browser, or a graphical browser with image loading disabled. Those of us with graphical capabilities have learned that an Albert Einstein lookalike has been launched towards Saturn.

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    2. Re:launched a what ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A GRRRAILLLLL?

    3. Re:launched a what ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just made my day. Thanks for an awesome punchline.

  34. That's 'nothin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    * Rob Malda celebrates the launch by standing on his head, burps Chips&Dips, while thinking "Build http:///.com and I will create a new effect".
    * Netscape notices Microsft stealing da biz.
    * Linux is broken
    * Windows markets a patch fix for Windows 95....It's called Windows 97.
    * It's called a US Robotics Palm Pilot.....Fingers are extra.
    * The USB research team gets disappeared by the RS-232 research team.
    * I had money in my pocket.
    * The internet was kEWl, not WORK.

  35. We only have 25 left now, right? by KFury · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Nasa along with the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency have launched a towards Saturn"

    Goddamn. They're spending our letters like they grow on trees. Sure, today they're just launching 'a', but tomorrow it'll be 'x', and then 't'. I want to know when they're planning on launching'u' and 'i' in to space...

    1. Re:We only have 25 left now, right? by gunnarstahl · · Score: -1, Funny

      But who cres, most people won't relize until it's to lte!

    2. Re:We only hAve 25 left now, right? by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, we still hAve upper cAse 'A's. Use those for now. NASA is working on AlternAtive letters. You cAn sAfetly Assume until the full AlternAtive AlphAbet is creAted NASA will keep the upper cAse 'A' here. Otherwise they'd hAve to chAnge their nAme to NS.

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    3. Re:We only have 25 left now, right? by sohp · · Score: 1

      They need to launch 'm' and 's' into deep space permanently. For good measure, follow them up with 'f' and 't'. Hmm. That leaves us with "icroot". How odd.

  36. PLEASE HELP ME ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I have a honeycombe weaves just over me, what can I do ! I am afraaaaaaaaaaaaaaid !

  37. italian spaceagency! by skipperkongen · · Score: 2, Funny

    ok, so there's the european spaceagency, and then we have the italian spaceagency... what excactly are those guys up to? Interstellar pizzadelivery? Pan solar system opera transmissions?

    1. Re:italian spaceagency! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah well maybe ASI never flew any manned missions, but they've never lost any astronauts either... then again you've never seen the insulation, er paint fall off of a Ferrari have you?

  38. here's a more interesting story... by g4dget · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Japan just launched a space probe for a sample return mission from an asteroid. Here is a home page for the mission (but rather outdated). Apparently, it also uses electric propulsion.

    1. Re:here's a more interesting story... by Sanga · · Score: 1

      NASA has something that will scoop comet matter and return to earth in a few months ...

      http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/

    2. Re:here's a more interesting story... by g4dget · · Score: 1

      It won't really "scoop"--it flies by and catches particles in an aerogel. That may be scientifically as valuable, but it seems like a much simpler engineering feat than what the Japanese are doing.

  39. A..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They launched A into orbit? I know 'starbucks' was cack compared to their other stuff, but...

  40. Huygens probe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Titan is the only moon in the entire solar system with a significant atmosphere. It is 50% thicker than Earth's atmosphere. In theory, someone could walk around on the surface of Titan with nothing but an oxegen mask, and some warm clothes.

    So far, all we have seen of Titan is the Orange clouds circling the planet. The Huygens probe will dive through Titan's atmosphere and reveal what lies below the clouds.

    1. Re:Huygens probe by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      -330 degrees seems to be out of the "very warm jacket" range. I'm thinking you would need something pretty much completely sealed.

      Still, Titan is very interesting, and as you said, less toxic to life than most other places around the solar system.

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    2. Re:Huygens probe by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      "So far, all we have seen of Titan is the Orange clouds circling the planet."

      If you only count visible wavelengths, true. But we have images from a few other bands, mainly radio and infrared. These can make it to the surface, allowing us to do some sorts of mapping.

  41. My boyfriend and I broke up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    How do I contact the aliens?

    My boyfriend just broke up with me and I need to get my ass probed on a regular basis.

    1. Re:My boyfriend and I broke up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      18 wheel trucks are not only used for interstate transport of goods, but are also the home of a race of alien life forms. These aliens procreate with human beings and produce 100% humans, not alien-human hybrids. I'm not sure what they gain from this, but their occupation is essential for the continuation of our species. Appearantly, we would have long since died out if it weren't for their contributions. They are immune to disease, and are extremely fertile. In addition, the females are really hot. In my dream I had a sexual liaison with an alien named Jill. We had mad passionate sex (the best dream sex I've ever had). After we finished she began to get dressed. I implored her to stay with me. I told her I was in love with her, and I wanted nothing less than to spend the rest of my life with her. She explained the whole alien-procreation scenario to me, and regretfully informed me that she could not stay. She "had work to do" and her whole purpose for existance was to have sex with as many men as possible. Sounds like a sorority girl to me. Hmm... She did bring me with her to show me her home, a big rig truck. They're actually pretty nice inside. Expensive furniture, entertainment system, etc. And the metal sides we see are in fact windows, offering a great view of... us? That was my dream. Thanks for reading. So the next time you see a truck driver, just think "that's an alien procreation machine chauffer.":)

  42. Ever read Titan by Stephen Baxter? by DominiqueChanet · · Score: 1, Interesting

    in fact, i'm just reading it right now... it's a novel from 1997 that is based on the assumption that Huygens, when it descends to Titan, will actually find life based not on carbohydrogens but on ammonia and other stuff.

    talk about a visionary novel: it opens with a scene aboard space shuttle Columbia, and during the first fifty pages of the book, Columbia gets destroyed in an accident during reentry in the earths atmosphere. Furthermore, Baxter mentions one contemporary dictator, and guess who it is: Saddam Hussein! Even more, he predicts a victory for a Republican president in the presidential elections, and one of the first things this president does in reinstate the Strategic Defense Initiative (AKA Star Wars)... Sounds familiar?

    1. Re:Ever read Titan by Stephen Baxter? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Funny

      OMG! Rearrange the bits in the Swahili spelling of "Stephen Baxter" and you get "Nostradamus"!

      --
      Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.
  43. Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The Cassini-Huygens mission is composed of two elements:

    • 1. Floppy The Robot (2 parts unobtainium)
    • 2. Crusty The Clown (1 part cheeseium)
    Film at 11
  44. GO AWAY PERVERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    You are not allowed to love my penis bird! Find your own penis-sitting-object!

    Waggly cocks.

  45. Sex with an alien!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Almost from the start, sex and UFOs were inseparable bedfellows. The adventure of 23-year-old Antonio Villas Boas on 16 October 1957 in Brazil is probably the most famous case of interstellar intercourse.
    Antonio was ploughing a field on the family farm when the engine of his tractor cut out; at the same time, an object with purple lights descended from the sky. Humanoids in spacesuits emerged from the object and took him into their craft, subjecting him to what seemed like a medical examination. They stripped him, spread a strange liquid over him and took a sample of his blood. He was left alone in a room for what seemed a long time, until a beautiful, fair-haired woman arrived.

    She was naked and Antonio was instantly attracted to her. Without speaking or kissing, they had sex, during which she growled like a dog. Despite his strange circumstances or perhaps because the alien liquid had Viagra-like properties Antonio was soon ready for a second helping. Interviewed later, he said: "Before leaving she turned to me, pointed to her belly, and smilingly pointed to the sky."
    Before letting him go, his captors gave Antonio a guided tour of the spaceship. Antonio went on to become a successful lawyer and still stood by his story over 30 years later.
    Equally lurid stories of sexual liaisons with UFO occupants came from the world-famous contactees of the 1950s. Howard Menger, for one, had regular meetings with Marla, a beautiful blonde from space who claimed to be 500 years old. She projected "warmth, love and physical attraction," which he found irresistible. Menger divorced his wife to marry Marla (aka Connie Weber).
    From July 1952, Truman Bethurum had many meetings with Aura Rhanes, the captain of a flying saucer, whom he found to be "tops in shapeliness and beauty". Bethurum's wife wasn't so impressed with this "queen of women" and cited Rhanes in her divorce petition. From the late Forties to the early Sixties, female contactees in contrast to today's female abductees are few and far between. This is more than made up for by the astonishing story of Elizabeth Klarer, who in 1956 fell in love with Akon, a scientist who took her to his home planet, Meton. There, he seduced her, saying: "Only a few are chosen for breeding purposes from beyond this solar system to infuse new blood into our ancient race."
    This smooth talk worked; "I surrendered in ecstacy to the magic of his lovemaking," she wrote later. Klarer said their "magnetic union" produced a perfect and highly intelligent son named Ayling. She was sent back to South Africa alone and died in 1994; as far as we know her starman and son live on somewhere beyond Alpha Centauri. Rather ordinary tales of 'contact' are thus transformed into heroic fantasies of youthful virility. Antonio Villas Boas claimed to have done what any healthy young man would have done in the same situation; he and Elizabeth Klarer delivered the goods, helping to save an alien race from extinction.
    Scientific ufologists, more interested in 'hard' evidence (like radar traces, photographs and forensic samples) condemn this 'wet' material as too subjective, relegating claims of sexual assault and abduction to the fields of psychology and folklore (which they likewise distrust). The early contactee literature provides a rich variety of such stories and, whatever their validity, it is a pity they have been largely neglected or ridiculed.
    When ufologist John Keel visited college communities in Northeast America during the mid-1960s, several young women told him they had been raped by aliens, and young men confessed that aliens had extracted their semen.
    By the 1970s, the idea of hybrid 'space babies' was more widely known but taken seriously only by UFO cultists who, said Keel, feared, that "the flying saucer fiends are engaged in a massive biological experiment creating a hybrid race which will eventually take over the Earth." A decade later, these notions were part of mainstream ufology. Serious researchers some of them academics, like John E. Mack and David Jacobs openly d

  46. NASA Sending Probe to Saturn by ConsoleDeamon · · Score: -1, Redundant

    NASA Sending Probe to Saturn, vell it is at least not uranus :)

    1. Re:NASA Sending Probe to Saturn by Parsec · · Score: 1

      "... in hopes of obtaining vital data to help understand the mysterious, vast region."

    2. Re:NASA Sending Probe to Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Through the windy valley, we think we've found the lost dutchman's mine!

    3. Re:NASA Sending Probe to Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 2003 saturn is the best dude. What's thie FUD about Saturn. You must be driving some rice burning car like the Mazda or some Toyota or something. American cars own and the Saturn owns you. I bet I can beat your stinky azz at a red light.

  47. Re:Huh? how to write fanfic/slash tsarkon reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    How to write great fanfic/slash!

    The written word is the lifeblood of the Internet and nowhere is this blood thicker than on the many erotic slash fiction sites. However, these websites are so numerous that the average erotic fan fiction author's readership is limited to himself and one other guy who keeps sending him creepy e-mails about wearing a Knuckles costume with a genital sheath. Don't get lost in the shuffle! You slave over your 25 chapter epic Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Beverly Hills 90210 crossover and it deserves to be read by thousands of people almost as scary as you are. We here at Something Awful support the efforts of these highly creative people who are in no way degenerate obsessive freaks worthy of derision at best and mandatory execution at worst. To lend them a helping hand we have put our knowledge of how computers, technology, and the ancient Sumerian language can get the most mileage for your Pikachu Bukkake story.

    Carefully Plan Your Story - A world of creativity and intellectual discourse awaits you!

    If you read a lot of "Due South" gay fan fiction, like I tend to, then you know that most fan fiction writers are prone to poorly planning out their masterpieces ahead of time. They'll ramble on describing characters that we've all seen on TV a hundred times, spending paragraphs on the oil greasing up their chiseled abs, that by the time it gets to the hardcore rape sequence most people have already closed their browser window. The worst is when this sort of thing goes on and on for twenty or thirty chapters of buildup and coyness.

    PRO TIP: No matter how good of a writer you think you are, you are not a better writer than the original script writers for "The Gummi Bears" cartoon. People are reading your story because they want to jerk off to Spock having sex with Captain Janeway, not because they wondered where they would go on their first date.

    So you're sitting down with your Word window open and you've got your taped episodes of the Zelda cartoon playing while you stare wistfully at your poster of Megaman. There is the inspiration you need right there. Inspiration can be found all around you, especially when you surround yourself with the stupid cartoons and TV shows you obsess over. So the main characters are Link, Megaman, and Zelda, now you need to structure your story ahead of time. Some of the greatest novels were written stream of consciousness, but describing Link fucking Megaman in a bathroom of the top of your head is not advisable. You want this story to run like a Swiss clock, so begin outlining your plot. Let's go ahead and do that with what I just described.
    1. Princess Zelda is kidnapped by Dr. Wily.
    2. Megaman gets a blowjob from Cut Man and gains his power after ejaculating onto his face.
    3. Link realizes Zelda is missing and sets out looking for her. He ends up getting molested by one of those purple hands that would drag you back to the beginning of a level.
    4. Megaman and Link join forces in a bathroom with erotic results.
    5. Megaman and Link defeat Dr. Wily using the ability of "rape shot".
    6. Megaman and Link double team Zelda.

    Great, that's a framework we can hang a nice meaty story on! I mentioned being concise is important but you don't want to be too concise, you need to draw out the action that's the most vital to your story. The action that is the most important is of course the hot sex between fictional characters, which should span anywhere from ten pages per scene to an entire chapter per scene.

    The Do's and Don'ts of Fan Fiction Sex - (Case study) "Cookin' in the Boy's Room".

    The most important rule of writing your hot crossover fanfic is that no adjectives should be spared. Heap them on, dip into the well of unusual adjectives, extend your feelers out into verbs and nouns that make the loins of perverts around the world churn with delight.

    Let's take a look at this sample from a Paul Prudhomme/

  48. More late breaking news! by cperciva · · Score: 1

    Life discovered on earth. Scientists uncertain if it is intelligent.

    1. Re:More late breaking news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late Karma Whore. Come back next week.

  49. Ah I see, by buyo-kun · · Score: 0, Funny

    They probe us, We probe them. Its only fair.

  50. THE NASTY NURSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    "No, don't get up," Nurse Kathryn commanded. Darren lay on his back on the chiropractic table and watched as the nasty nurse rummaged through a drawer. He would be motionless if that's what this ill-tempered health care professional demanded. Her fearsome presence made his whole vertebrae tremble.

    "Now, then," she said, turning around to face his supine body. A gleaming anal probe rested firmly in her gloved hand. "Let's get to the bottom of that back problem, shall we?"

    She stood at the foot of the table. "Show me your ass."

    His eyebrows furrowed in confusion. He wasn't sure what she wanted.

    "Throw your legs over your head and show me your ass!" She said, louder than before.

    As his knees came closer to his head, her palms met the undersides of his thighs and pushed. He heard the bottom half of the table fold to allow the nurse better access to his sphincter.

    She poured something slippery between his chilled, exposed cheeks and rubbed it efficiently over his puckered opening. With her index finger, she rimmed her target until it relaxed. Then she slipped the same finger up inside him, slowly at first, letting his second set of anal muscles relax before plunging in completely. When she met with no resistance, she wiggled her finger to make him squirm, then replaced her digit with the tip of the anal probe.

    "Uuuugh!" He exclaimed, gripping the sides of the table. "How is this helping my back?" He managed to ask.

    "Are you questioning my methods?" She purred, twisting the probe sharply.

    "No, I just -- "

    "Dark Angel! Get in here!"

    Beautiful, dark-haired Max strode in and looked to the nurse for some sign of permission. The nurse nodded.

    Max climbed up on the table and straddled Darren's face. The small metal ring through her clit touched his lips, inviting him to touch it. But he didn't want to incur the nurse's wrath for licking this tasty clit if he wasn't supposed to. Her juices were starting to smear all over his chin... Max squirmed around on his face while the anal probe continued to turn in his lubricated hole.
    "Chase the ring. Tongue it when you find it. It's good for your neck and back."

    Nurse Kathryn reamed him harder as he tried to follow Max's moving pussy. He flicked at the ring intermittently until the nurse instructed him to eat out both their cunts before he could be sent home.

    Much to his great disappointment, his back pain never returned.

  51. PETRIFIED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Can I have Natalie Portman sit on my penis? I sure would love to have some HOT GRITS poured into my pants.

  52. vuginuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    i spit out a booger and ther was a toof in it

    uh oh

  53. TIME WARP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    RiffRaff: It's astounding;
    Time is fleeting;
    Madness takes its toll.
    But listen closely...
    Magenta: Not for very much longer.
    RiffRaff: I've got to keep control.
    I remember doing the time-warp
    Drinking those moments when
    The Blackness would hit me
    RiffRaff: And the void would be calling...
    Transylvanians:
    Let's do the time-warp again.
    Let's do the time-warp again.
    Narrator: It's just a jump to the left.
    All: And then a step to the right.
    Narrator: With your hands on your hips.
    All: You bring your knees in tight.
    But it's the pelvic thrust
    That really drives you insane.
    Let's do the time-warp again.
    Let's do the time-warp again.
    Magenta: It's so dreamy, oh fantasy free me.
    So you can't see me, no, not at all.
    In another dimension, with voyeuristic intention,
    Well secluded, I see all.
    RiffRaff: With a bit of a mind flip
    Magenta: You're into the time slip.
    RiffRaff: And nothing can ever be the same.
    Magenta: You're spaced out on sensation.
    RiffRaff: Like you're under sedation.
    All: Let's do the time-warp again.
    Let's do the time-warp again.
    Columbia: Well I was walking down the street just a-having a think When a snake of a guy gave me an evil wink. He shook-a me up, he took me by surprise. He had a pickup truck, and the devil's eyes. He stared at me and I felt a change.
    Time meant nothing, never would again.
    All: Let's do the time-warp again.
    Let's do the time-warp again.
    Narrator: It's just a jump to the left.
    All: And then a step to the right.
    Narrator: With your hands on your hips.
    All: You bring your knees in tight.
    But it's the pelvic thrust
    That really drives you insane.
    Let's do the time-warp again.
    Let's do the time-warp again.

  54. Time warp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    CowboyNeal is gone. Proof? He isn't a choice in the polls any longer. So how can he be posting the story?

    I believe he posted the story 7 years ago. However, his body mass must've gone critical perhaps after one bag of chips too many, and warped the space-time continuum around his computer enough to cause significant time dilation. The poor sod is calling out for rescue:

    "nasa along with the european space agency and the italian space agency HavE Launched a towards saturn in hoPes of obtaining vital data to HELP understand the mysterious, vast region...

  55. It has begun..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    <>

    "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!"

    <*click whir weedle weedle click whir bleep bleep*>

  56. Should improve Ford's image by 241comp · · Score: 1

    My first thought was - "Well that should improve Ford's image."

  57. waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    All space exploration is a waste of YOUR money.
    How about we sort out life on Earth, before attempting to destroy that of other life forms?

  58. And in other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The South African Space Agency (or to give the propper pronunciation, Sas Effriken Spes Ejinsee) have announced that they are also planning a mission. Not to be outdone by the Americans, Europeans, Japanese and Chinese, they decided to send a manned mission to the sun.

    At a press conference held to announce this bold mission, a very un-PC reporter dared to point out that the space craft would burn up long before it reached the shores of its destination.

    The quick-thinking comrade minister for culture and technology replied that this had been thought of, and that the mission would therefore take place at night.

  59. have launched a towards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    have launched a what? It's the first sentence!This site sucks! Where do I subscribe - I want to give these guys my money!

  60. Pretty DAMN warm cloths by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, as far as we know, Titan has 150% the atmospheric pressure at surface level as does the Earth, and those gases are not corrosive/poisonous to human life.

    However, the surface temperature of Titan is 95 Kelvin. Liquid nitrogen is 75 Kelvin at 1 atmosphere pressure. Water ice melts at 273 Kelvin at one atmosphere. Water boils at 373 Kelvin at one atmosphere.

    You would need some pretty DAMN warm clothes. In fact, you would need better insulation on Titan than you would on the dark side of the Moon, as Titan's atmosphere would be conducting and convecting heat away from you at a prodigious rate.

  61. Next Month's Uranus Probe by Deth_Master · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Nasa has planned a probe to Uranus next month. The probe is going to confirm many suspicions about this planet. The strange fact that it seems to expel gas at random intervals, and the even stranger fact that you can hear/feel it. Even here on Earth! The probe will be equipped with the latest sniffing technology. It will be capable of determining the exact chemical composition of these expulsions of gas.
    It will even come equipped with a fibrous discharge weapon to remove any blockages that may from as it travels through Uranus. Keep a close watch at NASA.com for the latest photos of Uranus and it's satellites. Expect great detail of the inner workings of Uranus, as the probe will be going deep to the core.

    --
    find ~your -name '*base* | xargs chown :us
    1. Re:Next Month's Uranus Probe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand why this is modded off-topic. It couldn't be more on-topic. Anyway. Eventually NASA WILL (again?) send a probe to Uranus. I wonder if they will giggle at the press announcement. "Today, NASA is embarking on an ambitious mission to probe into the depths of Uranus *tee-hee*."

    2. Re:Next Month's Uranus Probe by stanmann · · Score: 1

      Actually, they are back already and they have pictures, but I've forgotten the link... someplace on Christmas Island though.

      --
      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
    3. Re:Next Month's Uranus Probe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the Soviets beat us to it..

      click here to see the russian space probe pictures of Uranus

  62. This has been real problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I heard about this from a former boss, who used to do astrophysics at Goddard SFC in Maryland.

    It seems that seniority really does play a big part in who gets the data and when. She was just starting out, and was way down on the list, and had a hard time getting access to new data. She eventually chucked astrophysics and started doing plain old software development.

    I guess that if you get your hands on the data first, you've got a pretty good chance at writing some important papers and perhaps getting into mass media for a couple of seconds, so I can understand why people would want to fight that chance. But the 'merkin taxpayers are footing the bill, so why should only a few benefit?

    Seems like a shame to me, although she made a pretty good boss.

    Are things getting better? It seems to me that a lot of satellite data is available on the internet. Anyone know?

    -- ac at home

    1. Re:This has been real problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod him up.

      This has been discussed extensively and openly for Hubble data; basically it is to get the project group to write papers first without worrying about a group, say in China, working day and night on the same data and beating the original project group for the first report.

      First publication is important in science. Make your own joke on first posting to Slashdot.

  63. Whoa dude by madmarcel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like dude...you can assume "there's guaranteed to be more life *somewhere* in the galaxy" all you want, nobody is gonna believe you until we actually find some (proof of) life on/in a place other than earth.

    Let's start by looking in the obvious places first.
    It doesn't matter so much WHAT we find, as long as we find something. Then we can see whether [we|life on earth] is a fluke or not. (And we can see whether or not there are/have been paralllellls in the development of either - or whether one is the origin of the other...etc etc :)

    And obviously, by looking in obvious (and familiar) places, we increase the probability that we will actually recognize the life-forms that we find!

    e.g.
    Silicon life-forms? Sure...eh..ok...how do you know it's alive? What might be a hundred years to carbon-based life-forms might be 1 second of comparative time to a silicon based-lifeform (or even the inverse of that :) How does either one see/know that the other is alive? How does a silicon-based lifeform perceive the world? Does it actually have senses? Do those senses overlap our own?

    Let's start by finding alien bacteria and stuff like that....much easier :)

    Oh, just a thought:

    ** If NASA *DO* find signs of life on another planet then I think the same thing will happen as what happened with the so-called 'martian' bacteria that supposedly arrived on earth by hopping on a comet/asteroid/rock -> We will end up with endless arguments over cross-contamination and whether or not we put those bugs there in the first place.
    Space might be freakin' cold and a very convenient vacuum, but it doesn't stop pollen and bacteria and god knows what else from happily travelling along with our space-probes :o
    (And I need someone to confirm this: Was there stuff growing on the outside of ol' MIR? or is that a myth?)

    I was going to add another bit on how religious groups might get upset when the scientific community announces they've found life on other planets....but that's just asking for a troll-rating (:o (Hmm...some cults/sects would be ecstatic I'd imagine ;)

    1. Re:Whoa dude by snilloc · · Score: 1
      Contamination could eventually be proven by genetic analysis, IF we find them alive (or nearly so). If the Martian microbes we might find are genetically identical to known earthly bacteria, then it is 99% likely to be an instance of contamination.

      As for religion, it will adapt. Somehow, Christianity came to terms with the fact that the Earth isn't the center of the universe, or even the solar system. Somehow, it has accepted much of medical science, and we all now accept that diseases are the result of pathogens or genetic disorders and not demonic possession. Adjusting to alien life would be a minor adaptation.

  64. I guess it's true ... by PseudonymousCoward · · Score: 1

    No news is good news.

    --
    If it isn't true, don't say it. If it isn't helpful, don't say it. If it's true and helpful, wait for the right time.
  65. Cassini by xaaronx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, as many have already pointed out, this is not new news. But it is worth discussing. Why? Because Cassini is the last real NASA probe, made in the old way. None of that cheaper/faster/destroyed on entry/by miscommunication/flat out lost in space crap. It should give us some good data to chew on and maybe, but not probably, inspire NASA to cut the crap and get back to real space exploration.

    --
    It's amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired. - Robert Anson Heinlein
    1. Re:Cassini by ianscot · · Score: 1
      Because Cassini is the last real NASA probe, made in the old way. None of that cheaper/faster/destroyed on entry/by miscommunication/flat out lost in space crap.

      Until it gets there and works, we don't know that your fisrt sentence necessarily leads to your second. The fact they built it at greater cost and with a much more lavish set of features may mean that one simple problem could be devastating, whereas the cheaper model at least might spread the risk around by sending several more task-specific probes. To wit:

      ...the European Space Agency admitted a serious and embarrassing problem due to a a glaring design error which no one had caught during years of design reviews and ground tests.

      It now turns out that the Huygens data receiver on Cassini isn't properly adjusted to the Doppler change in the frequency of Huygens' received signal caused by the fact that Cassini will be barreling toward Titan (and Huygens) at over 21,000 km per hour during its listening period.

      -- Space Daily March 21, 2001

      --
      "Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
  66. Significantly... by bluyonder · · Score: 1

    This mission is the last of NASA's big budget planetary projects.

  67. Re:Ugh, this is 6 1/2 years old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree.

    I think the probe should almost be there by now. If it's not already there (I can't remember).

    Maybe /. could will post an article titled:

    "No horses, just a Ford - A guy named Ford claims to have built a horseless carridge...."

  68. Choose your battles by dorfsmay · · Score: 1

    How about we sort out life on Earth

    One should choose one's battles, space seems easier...

  69. Next stop: URANUS! by visgoth · · Score: 1

    So is NASA planning on probing Uranus next?

    Geddit?

    No? Ok, /me goes back to the corner.

    --
    My patience is infinite, my time is not.
    1. Re:Next stop: URANUS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, it IS going to happen sooner or later. I'm just itching to hear how they phrase it:

      Headline - NASA sends probe to Uranus

      Gotta feel for the poor dude doing the press releases...

  70. What about the flux capacitor? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    The "spinoff" vector. Thats rich. Yeah... those things need to be "calibrated". I think your computer must be HIV positive. Too much uprotected cybersex.

    --
    Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  71. Useful cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the 95K temperature can be useful since it can make high temperature superconductors work in the atmosphere without extra cooling. Some High Tc materias have a Tc (Critical Temperature) of 130K.

    Alaska has been proposed as the new home of server megafarms. Google is at about 10,000 computers (running Linux) and assorted disks. Say 500W for each computer and assorted cooling, switches etc and you are talking about a megawatt farm.

    Titan: the home of monster grade server farms?

    1. Re:Useful cool by alienmole · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I though Titan would solve my cooling problems, for sure. So I signed up for web server hosting with minorplanethosting.com, but I'm having a bit of a problem establishing an SSH connection to my server now. To try to diagnose this, I did a ping, and here's what I got back, after waiting 3 hours:

      64 bytes from 192.168.44.12: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=10803411.277 msec

      What do you think could be wrong??

  72. You have to convert the physical world too by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    Switching to a different measurement system is stupid if you don't actually intend to use it. What good is using meters when you still sell 4x8 ft plywood? Measurement system conversion must necessarily imply converting not just the units, but the physical object sizes as well. Sell 1x2 m plywood, 5 mm bolts, and 5 mm drill bits. Halfway conversion is simply an incovenience, since you end up with ugly fractional measurements which give an unjustifiably bad name to the metric system.

    1. Re:You have to convert the physical world too by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      the point of the preceeding post was that some sizes make more sence for a particular industry. 4x8 is a better size for construction then 1mx2m. The problem isn't in the conversions( metric is much better for this) but the magnitude of the fundemental units.

      --
      Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
    2. Re:You have to convert the physical world too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're fat :)

      500lbs fat..

      adding or subtracting zero's is a nice way to convert.

    3. Re:You have to convert the physical world too by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Sell 1x2 m plywood, 5 mm bolts, and 5 mm drill bits."

      That's all well and good for new products, but what about repairing older products? Do you have any idea how many 5/8" bolts are out there?

    4. Re:You have to convert the physical world too by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      Except there are no conversions in SI. All SI units are metric, but not all metric units are SI. The unit of length in SI is the meter, period. Not centimeters, not kilometers, but meters. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the Bohr radius or the distance to the nearest supercluster, you must use meters. The standards will grudgingly accept the use of such prefixes, but they'd much rather you say "1E(-2) m" than "1 cm."

      Mass can even be more annoying. There, the standard is kilograms, not grams. And everybody wants to use these units as force instead.

      Oh, by the way, you're also not allowed to use metric prefixes for powers of 2. A kilobyte must be 1000 bytes, not 1024.

    5. Re:You have to convert the physical world too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter if you're talking about the Bohr radius or the distance to the nearest supercluster, you must use meters.

      Sorry to be rude, but this is BULLSHIT, and you should know it. When measuring astrophysical distances, scientists nearly always use parsecs. Not meters, not light-years, but parsecs.

      The reason is the conversion factor between meters and parsecs is a number which must be measured, and thus has some uncertainty. Therefore if you quote your measurement in meters, you have needlessly increased the uncertainty in your measurement.

      Whereas converting meters to kilometers does not introduce this problem, because the conversion factor is a defined quantity (1000) which is known to arbitrary precision.

      If you are involved in making any scientific measurements where precision is important but hard to get, then you should be very familiar with this kind of situation.

      And if you had any knowledge of physics, you would know about the CGS system of unit, which is used by many people because it treats electric charge in a better way than SI does.

    6. Re:You have to convert the physical world too by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "When measuring astrophysical distances, scientists nearly always use parsecs."

      First off, I wasn't talking about "what is commonly used" here or there, I was talking about SI. I said "SI" in the original post. Several times in fact.

      Secondly, parsecs aren't SI. Parsecs aren't even metric.

      "And if you had any knowledge of physics, you would know about the CGS system of unit,"

      The only SI part of the CGS system, however, is the S.

      "which is used by many people because it treats electric charge in a better way than SI does."

      But the EMU Coulomb is the one your government has made law. Whatever your thoughts on the matter, the Coulomb and all the other SI units are "the standard" that everybody seems to enjoy talking about in glowing terms.

    7. Re:You have to convert the physical world too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, misunderstood with you were saying. I'm not usually this much of an ass, except on slashdot.

  73. OT (was Re:We only have 25 left now, right?) by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    I love your score:
    -1, Funny

    Priceless!

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  74. Next Project? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I wonder when they've scheduled the probe to Uranus...

    Apologizes and runs for cover

  75. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Europeans are the ones who made the boneheaded screwup on this one.

    The European Space Agency built Huygens, the probe to be dropped into Titan's atmosphere. They made two big mistakes while designing the system for communicating between Huygens and the mothership, Cassini: They totally omitted part of the Dopler shift, and they made the radio bandpass an order of magnitude smaller than called for in the specs.

    (The Doppler shift is very important because Cassini and Huygens will be moving at extremely different velocities, and those velocities will be changing quickly.)

    If these mistakes had gone undetected, the radio signals from Huygens wouldn't have been received by Cassini for relay to Earth... the mission would have been a total loss. The problem was detected, though, a few years after launch. The early orbits of Saturn by Cassini had to be drastically redesigned, but a mission plan which reduced the second-order Doppler shift was developed. Thus, these problems have now been worked-around. What's the cost? Half of the spacecraft's expected end-of-primary mission fuel reserves. These spacecraft tend to last a hell of a long time, and these Huygens screwups have cost NASA half of the propellant it would otherwise have used for the extended mission.

    Uggh.

    So, try to make up some Dopler shift jokes so that you can overuse them as you overuse the metric jokes. :)

  76. FAIL IT !!!! YOU !!! ALWAYS !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    YOU FAIL IT!

  77. NASA Sending Probe to Saturn by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    NASA Sending Probe to Saturn

    And I thought it was just a damn uncomfortable car seat. I feel so violated!

    (For Europeans, Saturn is a US car company that make relatively... let's call them "efficient"... cars.)

  78. At least... by Plissken · · Score: 1

    On the bright side they didn't get /.'d

  79. NASA Sending Probe to Saturn by Jaguar777 · · Score: 1

    This story would have been much cooler if it was
    NASA Sending Probe to Uranus

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  80. Ok, You asked for it. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Bad pickup lines: If you don't like red then stop running away from me,.. baby. Are you're eyes actually blue or its it that I'm falling into them? A Good Trafic Excuse: I'm sorry officer, but the light was blue when I entered the intersection. It didn't turn red until I got through the intersection.

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  81. I don't get no respect by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    I'd love to be a karma whore, but nobody wants me.

    (But my submissions about MS EULA forbidding users to even tell anyone benchmark results on .NET get rejected in favor of THIS crap? Who do I have to sleep with to get MY stories accepted?)

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  82. Is it me or... by HellRazr · · Score: 0, Troll

    Doesn't it seem like today NASA really sucks ass compared to the 60s? Shuttles blowing up. They can barely get a working robot to Mars. What is their problem? Is it a case where they use have to have the best people in the world, and now they have shit people? Probably the quota system at work. Are NASA's challenges much different today than they were 40 years ago?

  83. I'm going to Saturn on Cassini by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, my signature is, anyway-
    http://planetary.org/news/Cassini/hot-top -cassini6 .html
    "When the Cassini spacecraft launches, it will be carrying more than a probe and an instrument package to the saturnian system -- it will be carrying tens of thousands of signatures from people on Earth. "

  84. Interplanetary Internet (was Re:It won't...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, there's a _real_ project that is designing a system to give the equivalent of IP addresses to spacecraft on/around other planets. Check out InterPlanNet for more details. And no, it's not IP based.

  85. Thank you Mr. Biology by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Only a Biologist would be so anal as to declare such a assinine statemate. The standards really don't give a crap, they are not living entities. Most scientists , and biologists that have a head above their sholders, use what ever is most convienint. Absolutely, no si unit is "anoying". Only those who do not understand physics want to use kilograms as a measurement of force. Not anyone in the scientific community(except maybe for nutritionists. I had to teach a physics for nurses class and the stupid book said that kilograms were a mesurement of force, and that Work=Weight x Distance).
    SI does not apply to computer science. There isn't si a unit of data declared.

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    1. Re:Thank you Mr. Biology by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Only a Biologist would be so anal as to declare such a assinine statemate."

      That's a peculiar prejudice. I have nothing to do with biology.

      "Most scientists , and biologists that have a head above their sholders, use what ever is most convienint."

      Isn't that exactly what people complained about when the Mars probe was lost? That LockMart was using units that were "convenient" instead of switching to all-SI and forcing their private-sector customers to follow suit?

      "Absolutely, no si unit is "anoying"."

      Oh, I can think of quite a few. For example, I find the meter too long and the centimeter too short to be convenient in measuring day-to-day lengths. Decimeters might be better, but people look at you funny when you say that word.

      However, in that paritcular instance, I was referring to the annoyance of using a "kilo-" anything as the base unit declared for a system. And it does bring to light the way other people have found the units inconvenient as well: A kg*m/s^2 is a "Newton" and a g*cm/s^2 is a "dyne," but nobody even bothered to name a g*m/s^2 because of the mismatch of scales involved.

      "Only those who do not understand physics want to use kilograms as a measurement of force."

      ie. The vast majority of the population of the planet. Think of all the products sold by the "kilogram" in grocery stores even though they use spring scales.

      "(except maybe for nutritionists."

      Aside from using "calories" instead of the proper "Joules," they also have the nasty habit of calling a kilocalorie a "Calorie."

      "SI does not apply to computer science."

      You seem to be confused. The SI isn't about "science" (especially since true scientists understand that the decision of measurement systems is completey arbitrary) it is about an agreed-upon measurement standards needed for trade. Lengths of fabric, areas of land, weights of food, and anything else that you don't purchase per-unit. And computer storage media gets bought and sold just like anything else.

  86. Obligatory Movie-Tie-In Quote by YetAnotherName · · Score: 1

    Charlie: Bloody typical, they've gone back to metric without telling us.
    -- Brazil 1995, Terry Gilliam

  87. woah, we have a probe going to Jupiter?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow! didnt know we could send a probe that far. Wonder if it will be nuclear powered?
    Man, if it is I bet the environmentalists will pitch a fit!

  88. Italian explorer finds western path to India by rk · · Score: 1

    An Anonymous Coward writes "Apparently, Christopher Columbus, an Italian navigator in the employ of the Kingdom of Spain has found a way to navigate west across the Atlantic Ocean to new territories in India." No word yet on we can expect broadband internet access there, but this could be a mighty blow to the RIAA.

  89. As long as they don't send a probe to Uranus by AbdullahHaydar · · Score: 1

    Futurama:

    Professor: "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."

    Fry: "Oh. What's it called now?"

    Professor: "Urectum."

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  90. Re:Ugh, this is 6 1/2 years old by BaronCarlos · · Score: 1
    Indeed, I was in college when this launched:
    JPL's Official Site

    and

    Current Location.

    FYI: Cassini launched on Oct. 15 1997.

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  91. Why can't you write? Or even spell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More embarrassing illiteracy splashed on the front page -- for a bunch
    of geeks who spend a lot of time complaining about how stupid everyone
    else is, you really make yourselves look pretty dumb on a regular
    basis.

    ... Space Agency have launched a towards Saturn ...

    Missing word... launched a probe, or vehicle, or something.

    data to help understand the mysterious, vast region.

    What "region?" Saturn is a planet, not a "region."

    The Cassini orbiter that will orbit Saturn and it's moons for four
    years, and the Huygens probe will dive...


    First, the word is "its," not "it's." Second, either use the pronoun
    in both clauses ("that will orbit... that will dive..."), or in
    neither. Third, it should be "which," not "that."

  92. Old, Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody will read this but, for myself, I want to point out that the person who put this story here ( Commodore Too Kak ) is not willing to acknowledge that:

    1. The post does not belong here ( not being news ).

    2. The post is not written in English.

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  93. Ok ,senor Smelly pants. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What to do with civilians who think they understand science? Anyone here have any ideas? SciFi fans and technophiles think they understand scince because they have seen bayblon 5. Then they show up at public lectures and argue with the expert over special relitivity. Or they don't undestand the word convinent.

    Convienient: The solution that accompleshes the requirements with the least ammount of effort.

    or those that don't understand that mass can be accuratly measured with a spring scale if the gravitational pull is known.

    1. Re:Ok ,senor Smelly pants. by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Convienient: The solution that accompleshes the requirements with the least ammount of effort."

      I didn't realize what I was saying was so difficult to understand.

      A meter cannot fit into a notebook. It is not a convenient unit of measure.

      A centimeter falls through small holes in pockets. It is not a convenient unit of measure.

      Measurements in whole grams can be thrown off signifigant figures by slight air currents. It is not a convenient unit of measure.

      Global confusion like "kilograms of force" can make communication of concepts of mass or force difficult with other people, therefore it is not as convenient as other alternatives.

      The word "kilogram" suggests that its defintion is derived from that of the gram, when the truth is actually the other way around. This misunderstanding is also not always convenient.

      "or those that don't understand that mass can be accuratly measured with a spring scale if the gravitational pull is known."

      Does your grocer know how to measure localized gravitational potential? Can the scales even be corrected? Even for known discrepancies like latitude?

    2. Re:Ok ,senor Smelly pants. by panthro · · Score: 1

      civilian noun:
      a person not on active duty in a military, police or fire-fighting force

      You seem to imply that there is some correlation between an understanding of science (scince?) and serving in one of the aforementioned forces, or at least that soldiers, policemen and firefighters are outside of your scope of criticism. I think I understand science, and I am a civilian. Does that qualify me for whatever fate you and whoever has any ideas come up with? I think I also qualify as a sci-fi fan and possibly a "technophile" as well, but I do not believe I undestand science due to having seen Babylon 5. In fact, I have never seen Babylon 5. I do not show up at public lectures to argue with "the expert", whoever he or she may be, over special relativity. I'd be interested in listening to you speak about it, though, if you are the humble "expert" who gets all this argument from civilian technophiles and the like.

      I must admit, though, I do not understand the word convinent (or convienient, for that matter). Perhaps it is similar to convenient:

      convenient adj.:
      1. suited to personal comfort or ease
      2. placed near at hand

      Maybe my personal comfort standards lend themselves to a solution which accompleshes the requirements with some ammount of effort more than the least possible.

      I don't think that this would be the case, however, if the requirement was to measure mass accuratly with a spring scale. I don't know the gravitational pull here, and I imagine calculating it would not be particularly convenient, convinent or convienient.

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  94. Saturn the Car by voideng · · Score: 1

    It's an Opel although cheaper.

  95. Very nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a physicist, and still I had never heard a couple of these! :)

    1. Re:Very nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why thanks. I came up with them as a undergrad physics major.

  96. NASA needs the funding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'm very glad to see that NASA is working on perfecting the HERF gun. After all, they have to keep up with the progress made since Slashdot perfected the website-killing HREF gun a few years ago. Just point and click, webserver goes down. :-)

    But seriously, all I really want to know is will it fry the cell phone of those people who can't seem to STFU in the restaurant. Perhaps a hand held version of this could be wielded by ushers in movie theaters.

  97. Scaling modifiers do NOT make a new unit by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    A centimeter is not a different unit from a meter. It is simply a shorthand for "one hundredth of a meter". The reason you are asked to normalize (usually in scientific literature), is to facilitate comparisons of different values. You should also note that this normalization process is MUCH easier than in English units, since it involves only modifying the exponent (or moving the decimal point).

  98. Recycle them. by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    That's just the point. You stop manufacturing parts in English units and as soon as you run out of those parts, the old products become obsolete. There will always be mechanics who will rethread a bolt for your vintage car, but most people will soon only need metric parts. So recycle the old bolts.