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LCD Monitors with Dead Pixels/Columns for Sale?
The Other White Meat asks: "I want to put a computer in my kitchen. For space reasons, I want to make it an LCD; a 15" screen would be perfect. This monitor is going to be exposed to harsh conditions (flying food, jumping cats, general mishandling). I don't want to spend so much money on it that if I came home and found it broken that I would be upset by it. I figured there must be plenty of places that will sell LCDs with dead pixels or columns, where I might be able to pick one up in the $50-100 range, but so far I have found nothing. Surely there must be a market for 'Grade B' LCD monitors, for precisely this sort of low life expectancy sort of usage? So fellow readers, can you succeed where Google® has failed, and lead me to the cheapo LCDs?"
Seems like the obvious option...
Isn't that how Dell get their LCD's?
.. as long as they know you need it.
Seriously tho, I'm not sure you'll find it. Problems like that show up early on. If somebody buys an LCD and it's got dead pixels, it gets returned. It'll show up again re-conditioned.
Perhaps you'd be better of spending a little more, then getting a laptop that can be closed?
"Derp de derp."
Why not contact the manufacturers themselves, and asking for some of their 'grade-b' stuff? I'm sure they'll be happy to either tell you to buzz off, or send you oodles of broken monitors for little more than shipping.
You also might want to look for places that repair them, and other monitors of that nature. Computer shops, in other words.
Another place might be your local neighborhood TV repair shop. But this might be stretching it a bit, because I've found that most of the shops these days are filled with idiots that wouldn't know the right end of a monitor to look at, let alone fix the innards of it.
And if that all fails, then goto the junkyard and look in the newer SUV's and Van's for the LCD screens that come in some of them... and hope that the grizzled old guy behind the counter doesn't realize that is worth 500 bucks... And doesn't want you to pay with ass-dollars...
I suspect, but don't know, that it costs more to make an LCD, put it in a suitable enclosure with a controller card, box it and ship it than your $50 price mark, regardless of the number of bad pixels.
Since the LCD is the only bad part then it's cheaper to find that it doesn't meet specs right off the line before ever attaching any circuitry. The only thing lost at that point is the time to manufacture, and some small amount of materials.
Lastly, most of the big display manufacturers probably have the high-volume LCD lines to the point where units thrown away due to minor defect (but still usable, as in your need) are very low, much less than 10%, probably under 5% or even 1%.
The reason we have specs which include "no dead pixels inside center area, up to eight outside" are not because someone sat down and decided that was the case, or because it was determined that after 8 pixels around the border people started having siezures. It was most likely determined by a bean counter looking at the numbers, and determining that the 95% success rate would include screens which may have up to that many defects in those areas.
Now that they have a starting point, they've refined the process not to reduce dead pixels, but to reduce dead pixels that fall outside those requirements.
I imagine that you can special order LCDs from a major manufacturer in quantity and lower your cost by lowering the requirements, but I doubt it could be profitable for more than a year or two until LCDs finally cost around $100 for the 15" versions.
-Adam
I'll sell ya my IPAQ IA-1 running linux for $150 plus shipping.
here's an interesting one:
cheap princeton lcd
where I found it
A little above the price range, but a good deal.
Instead of buying a B-grade display and expecting it to break every few months, what about buying a standard cheap-ish 15-inch LCD and investing in a decent enclosure?
I'm sure you'll be able to buy the sort of monitor housings they use at museums and the like, with a thick layer of perspex or glass between the monitor and the outside world. That way, you'd get a decent display, and it would be less likely to break due to people spilling things on it, leaning on it, drawing on it, etc.
I wish I could point you in the direction of a useful site... anyone know of anywhere you can buy enclosures like this?
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mod me down if you like, i always read at -1 anyway
i didn't think i was being particularly trollish though, merely offtopic in the first instance and redundant in the second.
search on ebay for old broken laptops. I have seen them as cheap as $50 + shipping.
It shouldn't be too hard to hack something together if you don't need a high quality monitor.
5. The fewer working pixels, the better www.aintitcoolnews.com looks!
4. With those allergies, you're going to sneeze all over the monitor and not see everything already.
3. With luck, the dropout area will be in the same place most banner ads are.
2. You have a nice colorful iMac: you don't care what the machine looks like when turned on, why not save a buck or two?
1. You want to simulate that wonderful snowy look of Viacom cable service.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
This is what I'm using in my kitchen. Not just the LCD, but an entire computer. Me, I took off their pipe stand, made a simple bracket, and bolted it right to the wall (after giving up on a hinging bracket that folds underneath a cabinet... Home Depot doesn't carry any suitable hinges, and I don't have a machine shop.)
badflash.com has them for sale for like $50, and I think this includes hard drive.
Oops. aintitcoolnews.com is down now. Someone must have slashdotted it when I wasn't looking.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Kill the cats before you cook them - I suffered a few broken LCDs myself before I figured that one out.
I suggest you check out http://www.eio.com/
They sell alot of close-out and discontinued LCD products. It looks like most of the ones they sell are meant for TV signals and not RPG computer signals, but if you can get TV Out it might be worth your while.
For example, on their front page they have a Gateway 2000 Solo LCD 12.1" TFT display. It looks like it was meant to go into a laptop, but if you can get a controller for it, it should take an RGB signal as well.
Hmm... I'll be a copy cat, will sell you my IA1, makes a nice kitchen computer. Just don't have space for it now.
The circuitry and casing of a monitor is cheap. It's the glass that's expensive. If your theory was right, a 23" LCD wouldn't cost three grand (even though the high-end model is always disproportionately marked-up, if Apple, Sony and SGI can charge $3k, then Acer would gladly come in at $2k if it could be made that cheaply, then generic company B would come in at $1.8k, and so on).
If a 15" LCD sells for around $300, then a manufacturer getting $100 for an LCD with, say, 20 bad pixels would find that preferable to getting $0 for an LCD with 20 bad pixels (which is what they get for them now).
As for how they came up with the number, I can guarantee you it wasn't because they wanted a 95% success rate. They want a 100% success rate. They will only throw out LCD's when the cost of selling them is greater than the cost of throwing them away. It's supply and demand, not "95% success ain't bad."
Until recently, LCD's cost so much that people wouldn't put up with many defects, though the reality has been that there were always a few. Now that prices have dropped and quality has increased (which are related in this case as yields have improved greatly in the last few years), a market is opening for lower-quality, lower-priced LCD's. I bet this guy would be happy to pay $50 for a passive matrix, faulty-pixeled LCD.
Personally, I've been thinking it would be great to buy a small black-and-white or greyscale LCD to use on a headless server for those times I need a screen on it. It'd be a lot more convenient than lugging a huge (or even small) CRT around.
I have an old IBM 770 I'd like to fix. But those replacement LCDs sell for more than the machine is worth!
Also, ive basically had *no luck* getting this company to honor warranties or anything, so you're prolly on your own.
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Yes, that's the market you would normally buy your LCD. Two or three dead pixels is usually considered good enough to sell to us consumers for full price. Trouble is, there is not 'Grade A' market, or at least, it's very expensive...
Now, unless you really wanna go with a monitor that has at least 3 dead pixels, then...
First off, must it be rugged? Are we talking kitchen, or 1940s era machine shop?? My wife and I have been using fairly expensive laptops in the kitchen without any problem. If your wife is not a total slob, then why worry about extreme messes on the computer?
Furthermore, why invest in an LCD for this?? Do you live in some cheap $400/month apartment that lacks even a small kitchen? I'm sure that there must be room for a cheapo, standard 15" CRT, or if space is a bit of a premium, a 10" POS style CRT. Maybe an LCD in the kitchen can make you feel ilke you're living Microsoft's dream of the future, but get real. Get a cheap CRT, shut a 486 away in the cupboard, and make use out of a cost effective system that is well within your pricerange.
When waterproof, durable, roll-up flat canvas displays cost $50, then buy one.
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I got them from Affordable Computers Inc. (just a customer)
Obviously that was a few years ago. I've bought other cheap laptops there, and all the parts that they said would work, have worked. I've never paid the big bucks for a laptop with a working battery.
They don't usually advertise the known broken stuff, so you have to ask what they've got.
I see that they have one laptop in stock for $99, but it has a wee tiny screen.
Affordable Computers happens to be near where I live. I suspect other companies that refurbish and sell used laptops will also sell the rejects at a discount, if you ask.
... like hardforum.com have a forum dedicated to buying/selling hardware from people who general mistreat thier equip.
If you are planning on using it for recipies and similar "text only" needs, find an old 486 laptop, extend the LCD cable, and mount the LCD underneath the countertop. Cut a hole out for the LCD in the counter, and mount the LCD. Use a router to make a countersink edge for a piece of glass or lexan, set flush with the countertop, and sealed in place with clear aquarium silicone sealant (to keep liquids out). Extend the keyboard to a pullout location (a custom "cutting board" style "drawer" would be perfect). On the laptop, run some simple serial terminal software or lynx, and serve up text only via serial comms or a network card (if you have a pc card/pcmcia slot on the old laptop).
If you are looking for old LCDs, try to find the closest used computer recycling shop around your area. Look in the largest city near you. You want a place that is typically located in the "dregs" of the city - the industrial quarters, crack alley - if the city is a coastal city, like LA or San Diego, look into the dock/shipyard areas, too. There are plenty of places like this, many of them selling equipment and junk for fractions of a penny on the dollar. Some of them want to get rid of stuff so bad they will GIVE it to you! I know of three really great places like this here in the Phoenix, AZ area. Larger cities will probably have more to choose from.
These places will generally be scummy - you will get dirty standing still and touching nothing. But this is a *good* thing, because it means you have found a gold mine. Now, you just need to sort through the junk (it is rarely organized well, and even if it is organized, it still needs to be sifted through). Sometimes, you will find a rare gem.
Pertinant to your question, at one of the places I know of, they had got in a huge cache of SONY LCD monitors. The only problem was that most of them had the logic boards removed. However, I managed to find two that should mate together, once I get around to messing with them. Might be a total bust, though. Anyhow, for $25.00 I got two monitors, one with a busted screen, but the full logic intact, the other with a non-cracked screen, but no logic - mix and match until it works.
The other thing to consider is dumpster diving - you would be surprised at the amount of shit companies throw away. My job not too long ago threw out a Compaq P150 laptop with CD-ROM and sound. Took it home, powered it up, no screen. Turned out it was a busted backlight - one trip to Fry's Electronics and some soldering got the beast working perfectly. Picked up a cheap SODIMM to get the RAM up to max, dropped in a cheap Ebay laptop drive to bust that up - everything else is a-ok. Currently in the process of setting up Debian on it.
From trash to treasure - if my company did it, ALL COMPANIES DO IT. You just have to find where and when they do it, and be willing to ask them about their castoffs and junk, or dive in the dumpster. You may or may not find a usable LCD display this way, but I guarantee you will find usable "junk"...
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Look around e-bay for an I-appliance and mod it. I bought a gateway connected touchpad for $75 and it works great. It runs linux from a compact flash and has a mount for the lcd to hang from a kitchen cabinet. Linux-hacker is a great place to look for advice on hacking as well as buying/trading i-appliances.
Get one of these and then try not to spill stuff on it. At least you can do quite a bit without a keyboard or mouse, 'cause it's touchscreen. I use mine with a web server containing recipes, home automation scripts, personal contacts, etc. Just making a bookmark to my.yahoo.com is pretty indispensible too, for checking TV and movie showtimes, weather etc. But, I mounted it on a pull-down shelf that was intended for knife storage; it's perfect - hangs down below the cabinets when I want it, folds back up when I don't, and I was able to attach the ethernet adapter to the underside - and the Audrey stays booted all the time while not consuming much power with the screen off, so no wait time. Even for quick web lookups I don't really need access to in the kitchen, it's quicker than going to my main workstation, waiting for the dual monitors to power up, waiting for that slow monstrosity Mozilla to finally load, and mousing around. So I find myself using it now and then, and my wife does too. I also wrote a caller ID application for it, but it still has a bug I haven't fixed yet.
Goto a thrift store. There's always at least 20 just sitting on the shelf, all for under $20. My other suggestion would go to a university and beg for one. When something breaks, they just sit it on top of a filing cabinet and let it collect dust.
Since you're investing in lcds, let me introduce you to The Best Thing You Can Ever Do For Your LCD.
Leave the protective wrap on.
I've got about 3 mac powerbooks and the 2 previous ones have their screens scratched to oblivion. My roommate's Dell, has his girlfriend's fingerprints all over it.
Solution? A thin piece of plastic to go over your screen. As it happens, all Laptops come with a piece of plastic covering the screen with some plastic overlapping the edges. With a straight edge positioned under the edge of the plastic and another butted up against it so I couldn't cut into the screen, I trimmed the extra plastic off with an exacto knife. The bubbles in the screen were carefully pricked with the knife and the air pressed out. A hair dryer was able to heat up the plastic to allow it to set back down.
Now, there are a few bubbles left in the plastic over the screen but if the keys etch, they will etch into the plastic, not into the screen. And I can even sneeze onto the screen, touch it, wipe it down without fear of damaging the delicate surface.
Now the trick is finding out how to apply plastic like this to an existing LCD.
Anyone?
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