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New G3-Based Platform Runs Mac OS X

Worried writes "Pegasos is a new platform based on G3/G4 CPUs and it runs MorphOS and various Linux distros so far. This very interesting review of the platform over at OSNews points out that Darwin can play a significant role attracting new buyers. Another --possibly significant-- point in the article is that Pegasos can run Mac OS X via the Mac-On-Linux runtime kit. This is the *first* non-Mac platform that can run OSX without even the need for an Apple BIOS!"

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  1. what slashdotting? by Neophytus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Pegasos: A New Interesting & Sexy Platform
    By Eugenia Loli-Queru - Posted on 2003-05-19 08:09:54
    Genesi was very kind to send us in a fully featured Pegasos-based computer with MorphOS and Debian pre-installed. Here is our review with a number of screenshots of the supported OSes.

    The Hardware, MorphOS
    The hardware

    First of all, we all have to understand what we are dealing with here. Genesi's business is to create a brand new platform. Not just OS software. And not just hardware. But a brand new platform based on the IBM/Motorola PowerPC G3 and G4 CPUs. In fact, the whole point of the Pegasos platform is for users to select the OS(es) that they want to run by buying only the motherboard & CPU and then adding supported hardware on top of it and literally building the system from scratch. Does it sound too geeky? Trust me, it is. And this can be the biggest strength of this platform or its main drawback for wider adoption. It depends how you see it.

    The motherboard itself is a slick piece of hardware. It is a MicroATX mainboard (236 mm x 172 mm), 600 MHz PowerPC G3 750 CXe, (scaling up to a Dual PowerPC G4 MPC 7450). Two sockets of PC133 RAM (up to 2 GB), an AGP slot, 3 PCI slots, USB 1.1, Firewire 400, RealTek NIC, AC97 sound card, two ATA-100 channels, PS/2 mouse and keyboard. I was sent a G3 at 600 Mhz and except for the fact that the machine arrived with the CPU card floating around (it didn't have any screws or holders to keep the CPU in the slot during shipping-- so beware if you are moving houses), the CPU did deliver according to the expectations (glxgears -- just as an example -- delivers between 50 and 60 fps in software mode with an ATi Radeon 7500 AGP, while my dual Celeron 533 on Mandrake does between 80 and 90 fps with a 3Dfx Voodoo5).

    If I am to pick my favorite feature of the system that would be its noise levels: the system is completely silent. Worse point: It's price. At around $450-500, it is pricey. For this amount of CPU power and motherboard, I wouldn't personally pay more than $250-300. But hey, Pegasos is exotic in many ways and that compensates a bit.

    So, the hardware is slick, but what is the hardware without the actual software, right? Currently, with the Pegasos platform you will find two operating systems included and further supported: MorphOS 1.3 and a port of Debian GNU/Linux 3.x.

    MorphOS

    MorphOS is an interesting little operating system, but it is too little to lead the "platform" idea all by its own. The version I was sent (1.3) was problematic and nowhere near a true 1.0 commercial release, quality-wise. The main reason why someone would want to run MorphOS is to get access to the thousand of AmigaOS software via its emulation "A-BOX" kit, which enables MorphOS to run classic Amiga programs, 68k/PPC that do not depend on the Amiga's custom chips (there are no more than 80-90 native MorphOS applications/ports that I could find in one place). Unfortunately, except for a handful of supported AmigaOS applications, the rest wouldn't just refuse to run, they would completely crash the system (so much for protected memory). Reseting the system left me with an un-initialized keyboard that wouldn't work until I turned off the machine completely and left it off for 10 seconds or so. I presume that one of the ways MorphOS manages to boot in less than 5 seconds is by not initializing the hardware during boot-up. Yes, you read that right, it only takes 5 seconds to boot up to a fully functional MorphOS, and yes, MorphOS feels extremely fast (loading apps, UI responsiveness etc). UAE (Amiga Emulator) runs on MorphOS, but it is not a real solution in this case, as we could run UAE on our Windows too if we need to. The whole point of MorphOS is to load AmigaOS software easily and painlessly interacting normally with the native apps. But that part is not worked out perfectly yet.

    The OS came with a media player (Frogger) that can play divx and mpeg, there are three browsers available for it, with similar page rendering

  2. Yeah you can run it but.... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article: On this G3 600 Mhz, it would take 1-2 seconds for a MacOSX button to respond after pressing it.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I use my Macs to get work done, not to be waiting 1-2 seconds for clicks to respond. Therefore, I think I will keep using boxes made by Apple.

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  3. Re:Perhaps I should RTFA... by PaybackCS · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, MOL only runs on PPC based Linux distros. It's simillar to Vmware or Wine on Intel/AMD boxes.

  4. Re:Non-Apple BIOS by JayPee · · Score: 5, Informative

    If I remember correctly, there's still a small ROM that handles boot information, etc. Most of the higher toolbox functions are now held in RAM.

    Here's the technote about it;
    http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn116 7.htm l

  5. The first...? by ikewillis · · Score: 5, Informative
    Let's not forget that MacOS X can also be run on an AmigaOne through Mac-on-Linux.

    From the Mac-on-Linux FAQ:

    Q: Does MOL run on the AmigaOne hardware (or in general, on non-Apple hardware)?
    A: It does. MOL runs on any PowerPC hardware (except 601-based systems). However, the EULA of MacOS prohibits its usage on non-Apple hardware (it is of course perfectly legal to use MOL to boot a second Linux thoiugh).
  6. Apple Schmapple by Seehund · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why does Slashdot insist on posting anything "PPC" under the Apple category?

    One of the interesting points with the Pegasos is that it's a PPC based consumer-oriented (as in non-workstation/server á la IBM) system that's NOT from Apple, it comes on a nice micro-ATX mobo, and it comes with a rather new non-Apple OS! The POP concept has come to fruition, and hopefully the Teron PX (a.k.a. "AmigaOne XE" when marketed to AmigaOS users) will also do well.

    That running Mac-On-Linux on Linux on a PPC system let's you run MacOS isn't all that sensational IMO...

    People might be interested in hearing a new Pegasos system has been announced for this autumn(?), which won't be hampered by the currently buggy Articia S northbridge. This will have a Marvell Discovery II northbridge (366(?) MHz DDR, gigabit ethernet...).

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  7. Re:The problem with Pegasos by bracher · · Score: 5, Informative

    funny, but not entirely accurate. not that one can be completely accurate when discussing mythological creatures, but......

    a pegasus is simply a winged horse. a _unicorn_ has a horn.

  8. Illegal by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 4, Informative

    From my Mac OS X license agreement:

    "This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time."

    It is illegal to run Mac OS X on a non-Apple computer. Even machines built from Apple parts are iffy.

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  9. coolest screenshot by swifticus · · Score: 4, Informative

    here is a screenshot of virtual PC on Mac-on-Linux on KDE. Very cool.