Ghostscript Leaves GNU

commanderfoxtrot writes "Ghostscript 7.07 has been released. However, this is the last GNU release. They will continue to make releases under the GNU GPL, but because of disagreements over censorship of the AFPL releases and the development model in the GNU release their development process has become incompatible with the goals of the GNU project as interpreted by Richard Stallman."

Comments

Re:Have to side with the GNU folks here.

[OwnerOfWhinyCat]

I apologize for not getting the name of the lic. right. The quote is from the AFPL.

Again I say, I really like the GS software, and hope they make good money with it.

The issue here is muddied by the fact that GS is a wonderful app. and have contributed something very significant to the Linux desktop.

BUT [you gnu it was coming]...

At what point does a GNU project turn into just an advertisement for commercial software. Can Microsoft release the source (ugly crap that it is) to GWindows 3.1 and spam it with ads. for Windows XP?

I don't know where they should draw the line for this, but there should be a line. The fact that some GNU folk would draw it well to one side of reasonble seems consistent with their views and past behaviors. Therefore I can't fault them for not wanting this to be a GNU project.

Re:Imagine that

[Miguel de Icaza]

i hope everyone knows that teh bungi is a pro microsoft anti-gpl troll whos always posting negative stuff. please don't use my name in your future postings

love, peace, hope, dock
miguel

Putting on the flamepants

[tomreagan]

You know, flaming Stallman is getting to be a little bit overdone here. I think that maybe it is time to put some of these things in perspective.

Stallman's FSF is an entity with an over political purpose. To that end, sub projects that do not align themselves with that overt political purpose probably do not fit within the project and should be excluded. So Ghostscript wasn't aligned and it had to go.

Those who flame Stallman for his fanatacism or lack of current code shouldn't forget his critical early contributions - without Stallman working himself almost to death in the 80's, sacrificing money, power, time, and big fancy jobs to support his project, there would have been no base of free and open software for Linux to run. Stallman created from sratch (and in many places, single-handedly) the largest and most essential parts for a free operating environment, an open alternative to big,commercial, expensive Unix. Would Linus have really jumped into making a kernel (or had any experience with Minix) if there wasn't a widely available free and open set of libraries, utilitites, compilers, and debuggers to run on the system? Possibly, but it certainly seems less likely.

While I understand how tiresome and boring it can be to have our morals, ethics, and beliefs get in the way of our more immediate gratification, that doesn't change the fact that Stallman has done more than anyone to get free and open software where it is today. His relentless (and seemingly tireless) dedication to the cause launched free and open software for the world. That we have so many alternative licenses and viewpoints today is owed to his presenting the first so many years ago.

There is always a role (and a need) for the dedicated, single-minded project that defines a rigorous (and righteous) goal and pursues it unswervingly. I see GNU standing side by side with groups like the ACLU, Amnesty International, and the Medecins Sans Frontiers. It is so easy to forget how important free and open software is to the modern technological, economic, and now even political and social worlds that we find it easier to sneer and laugh at what seems like an anachronism. But Stallman's project is far more relevant and important to the continued success of technology than most will admit.

If free and open software marches on, then it will always need Stallman and the FSF hoisting the original colors and beating the drum to remind them of the pace, no matter how out of place or out of tune he may seem at the time.

Re:Imagine that

[tomreagan]

Speaking of nutcases, lets talk about ESR, who is basically a programming libertarian (maybe even closer to a John Bircher) who has repeatedly demonstrated his willingness to sell out Free Software to big companies in the name of Open-Source software. Talk about your raving lunatics, ESR has got to be one of the craziest crackpots in the community.

This is in not intended by way of a disparagement, but more properly to highlight that there are more than enough 'interesting' personalities in the Free and Open software movement to go around.

Re:Selfish GNU

[ichimunki]

First, RMS is involved with Free Software, so what the "open source" community wants is probably not foremost in his mind. Second, the Free Software movement posits that the only "potentially useful mix of semi-open [whatever that means] source commercial software" is a mix where there is 0% non-Free software. Third, in this case, the FSF is a non-profit charity organization. It may well put their non-profit charter at risk if they are helping private companies by advertising their software.

Fourth, I doubt that RMS or the FSF would even comment on this, except that GPL Ghostscript was part of the GNU project. As such, it may be that the policy in this case appears counter-intuitive (and it's certainly more complicated than a simple anti-advertising slant), but since the stated goal of GNU is to promote Free Software, the FSF needs to draw the line somewhere.