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Microsoft Talks Handhelds, Xbox Linux

Thanks to an anonymous reader for pointing to a Canada.com interview with Xbox head honcho Robbie Bach, which shoots him some wide-ranging and perceptive questions about Microsoft's console strategy. Interesting answers include whether Microsoft wants to get into the handheld console market ("It's like starting a new business...we will focus on making the current Xbox successful."), and their views of Linux for Xbox ("..the numbers are not really that big. It's not a commercial as much as it is an intellectual property issue and we always pursue those.")

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  1. Cheat?!? by georgn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Q. Folks have even built a Linux-Xbox computer. How can you control this?

    A. Electronic hobbyists will do what they want to do...the numbers are not really that big. It's not a commercial as much as it is an intellectual property issue and we always pursue those. If someone finds a way to cheat, we close it down and do an update so people can't anymore.

    I'd be very curious to know how running Linux on an Xbox is cheating.

    1. Re:Cheat?!? by Malcontent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      " Simply put, if you're running Linux on a machine that MS sells with their own OS, you're cheating them out of market share. "

      Aren't you also cheating them out of market share if you choose to buy a PS/2 or heaven forbid not buying a game console at all?

      When are people going to end up in jail for not buying MS products?

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    2. Re:Cheat?!? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Plus making MS eat a little loss would feel good too. "

      So you're willing to spend money to make MS lose money? Can't say I'm impressed. Personally I'd donate to the EFF.

  2. intellectual property issue..... by PS-SCUD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and we always pursue those.

    Yes, far be it from you to let a great injustice, like someone using their Xbox how they see fit, from going unpunished.

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  3. Your Rights Vs. Microsoft's by theodp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In one breath, "For example, we can sense and disable an Xbox modified with third party "modchips" and not allow it to play online." In the next, "Telling us what we can or can't create, we think is unconstitutional."

  4. Unconstitutional........ by PS-SCUD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: Telling us what we can or can't create, we think is unconstitutional.

    But of course if MS tells YOU what you can or cannot create, that's perfectly OK.

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  5. Re:Handheld Possibilities by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they have been utterly beaten on the console [platform]

    I'm curious as to how you consider going from 0% market share to 20% market share, beating out the formerly #2 player (Nintendo) to be "utterly beaten" in the console market?

  6. Piracy? by Arker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't piracy, in any sense. Of course it doesn't involve boarding ships at sea and stealing cargo/kidnapping passengers, which is actual piracy. But it's not copyright infringement, which sometimes gets called piracy, either.

    There's no "intellectual property" issue here at all, however much MS wishes they could find one. This is hardware. You buy it, it's yours. Period.

    Of course we can all understand that they'd prefer to have people only buying their loss-leaders in order to run the games that they make heaps on. And most people do. But those who don't are perfectly within their rights. If MS really doesn't like it, they can start pricing the boxes more reasonably. It's their choice. But of course they want to have their cake and eat it too, and the sad thing is they have enough money to buy politicians with that they may yet get it.

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  7. Re:Handheld Possibilities by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nintendo's gotten along just fine selling to small portion of the market. Apple's another fine example of a niche market.

    Not only that, but 20% is a pretty good amount for a new product introduced in competition with a very popular system with a large install base. Xbox has exceeded MS's hopes for the first iteration of the system.

  8. Re:XBOX IP by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't really see how they would have any grounds for prosecution here. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think they can in any way dictate how you use the hardware that you buy from them. The hardware is just plastic--you bought it, it's yours. Play games on it, use it as a space heater, toilet seat, piece of modern art, whatever. Same with the media and boxes that the games come on.


    Where they could begin to get at you is if you ran Linux on an XBox, and then connected up to their online gaming system. If the system was designed to reject anything that wasn't running the MS XBox OS, and you spoofed it into thinking that your XBox-Linux was in fact the original OS, then you could be in trouble (because the TOS for the online service would undoubtedly prohibit you from connecting with a less-than-virgin box).


    But if all you were doing was just running Linux on your XBox, just for the pure hell of it and because you can, without connecting up to their servers, I think you're probably safe. At least, I don't see how this would possibly infringe on their IP. Seems to me like they're just trying to discourage people...toss around the threat of an IP lawsuit and watch any large-scale effort to distribute an alternate XBox OS disappear.

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  9. Re:Handheld Possibilities by NortWind · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm curious as to how you consider going from 0% market share to 20% market share, beating out the formerly #2 player (Nintendo) to be "utterly beaten" in the console market?

    Compare either Nintendo's or Sony's profits to MS's loss of $300M (claimed by MS in the article for division) or loss of $1B (as claimed in PC World article). The other two companies made more than infinitely more than MS. That's a pretty good beat down.

  10. Excuse me? by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is he an asshole by saying, "If you are on our Xbox Live! service, we reserve the right to boot you if you have a modchip or other cheat device (such as Action Replay hacked saves) turned on for your Xbox Live! games."

    I love that they ban cheaters and people who are just assholes. Why do you think I stopped playing PC games? People'd always accuse me of cheating if I was winning.

    Whinning that he has rights but won't let you mod chip Xboxs that are on Live! is like Bill Gates whinning that he can't just come into your house and pee on your floor. It's your private property to use as you please, just like the entire Live! network is MS property to do with as they fucking well please.

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