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Are Standards Groups Stifling Innovation?

cpfeifer writes "Jim Waldo expresses a a controversial viewpoint in his blog: "Common wisdom, especially in distributed computing, says that the right approach to all problems is to use a standard. This common wisdom has no basis in fact or history, and is curtailing innovation and rewarding bad behavior in our industry. " He also goes on to clarify his position and explain his reasoning."

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  1. I worked on part of SSL: RFC 3268 by pchown · · Score: 4, Informative

    RFC 3268 describes the way you should use the Advanced Encryption Standard with SSL/TLS.

    My experiences weren't at all like the ones described in the article, even though we certainly weren't codifying existing practice. No one threatened to leave and join a rival standards effort, even though AES over TLS is important for government contracts. Most of the argument was about the minutiae of the protocol. For example there was a long discussion about the padding type and cipher mode of operation.

    The problem I had was that the process is horribly slow. There are a few people in the IETF who have a lot of work to do, and you tend to find yourself sitting in a queue for a long time.

    That said, I think it was a very worthwhile thing to do. If we hadn't done AES through the IETF, no one could have interoperated. It wouldn't be a case of then codifying existing practice a few years on because it simply wouldn't work. The different TLS implementations need to use the same ciphersuite numbers for example. Much better to sort that out on an IETF mailing list than try to cobble something together in a series of bilateral discussions.

  2. The wrong approach... by CrazyBrett · · Score: 4, Informative

    First, a few examples... without ISA and PCI, we wouldn't have any hardware devices that we could just plug in to our computers. Without DirectX, OpenGL, and SDL, we wouldn't have games that could run on multiple platforms. Without TCP, I wouldn't be able to post on slashdot.

    Standards are extremely important to computing, but not in the way decried in the article. Standards are not cool for their own sake, they're powerful because they enable modularity and layering, the true holy grails of effective computing. The designer of your network card didn't have to think about what the CPU in your machine was doing, or even whether there's a CPU at all! As long as it handled the specified PCI signals, it will operate correctly in a "standard" PCI system. Likewise, the game developers can use the same OpenGL calls to communicate with many different video cards, because the drivers fulfill the requirements of the standard.

    Standards help to erect useful barriers between logical layers of software and hardware. Like anything, they can be misapplied, and using standards "just because they're standards" can often lead to trouble. Still, well-done standards are and will be the foundation just about any successful computing architecture.

  3. In a nutshell by dubbayu_d_40 · · Score: 4, Informative
    It appears his argument isn't against standards, but our industry's application of them. He supports de facto standards and argues against design by committee.

    He isn't to be taken lightly. Jim developed the first ORB, was the lead architect of Jini and he had prominent role in RMI. However, the most interesting thing about him is that he holds masters in linguistics and philosophy (in addition to his PhD in distributed computing).

    I attended a session of his on Jini at the WTC. Hmmm....

  4. Gosling on Standardization by td · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't exactly a new view. James Gosling's classic Phase Relationships in the Standardization Process is already 13 years old.

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    -Tom Duff
  5. Re:Standards can be a PAIN.... BUT!!!! by dbateman · · Score: 4, Informative
    I work as an RF systems design in a research lab of a major semiconductor manufacturer. And from the inside I have to ask "What is a WiFi standard?". It may seem a stupid question, but consider the IEEE 802.11 and 802.15 standards process

    The IEEE has a voting system where votes are assigned to individually that have attended 3 consecutive meeting (held about every 2 months). This is supposed to make the standards process more egalitarian. But what really happens is that it is only the large corporations that can afford to send someone to a meeting every 2 months. Lots of the people in this meeting just come, sign the book, get out their laptop and start working on something else. So the standards are strongly corporate driven, and the votes are therefore usually driven by issues other than technical merit.

    The "down-selection" process of the IEEE then forces these disparate industrial players to come to some sort of compromise. This either takes the shape of one large block of companies getting behind a single standard and blocking other proposals, or all the standards being wrapped up as options of a single standard. Neither of these will necessarily have any relationship to technical merit, with the second option being a sort of "non-standard" Standard.

    As you see, I rather sympathize with the original article, mainly because I don't like the standards process as it stands. The thing is I don't think many people do, but I'm not sure I see how it could be done better.

  6. Re:design by committee vs. standardize afterwards by nestler · · Score: 4, Informative
    Yes, I agree whole-heartedly about how bad/complicated the ASN.1 string situations is and that it didn't exactly help X.509's complexity problems. However, X.509 can't blame all of its woes on ASN.1 (certificate policy? what were they thinking?).

    I disagree though about your negative characterization of SSL. SSLv2 was a bad (unsafe) half-baked protocol thrown together by a Netscape engineer with little cryptography knowledge. SSLv3, however, was a complete redesign done mainly by Paul Kocher, a very knowledgeable cryptographer. SSLv3 was basically sound, so when it came time to make TLS (the RFC-blessed one), very few tweaks were necessary. There are no really "bone-headed" mistakes in SSLv3 or TLS, but there are many in SSLv2.

    The SSH standard is indeed quite different from the original SSH.com stuff, but the with the standard now in place (after the technology was developed), it is easy for say OpenSSH and SSH.com to interoperate by following the standard.

    Also. the expert bake-off is indeed a good way to make a standard (much better than having a committee design). The AES competition is a very good example of this.