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Universal Alphanumeric Postal Code Proposed

Meshach writes "An article in the Globe and Mail is discussing a possible change to the way postal codes are assigned over the world. NAC Geographic Products will be using Microsoft's MapPoint to power their Mobile Location-Based Services Network, which could change all postal codes in the world to a simpler, more universal format."

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  1. Complex Codes! by krisp · · Score: 5, Insightful
    For example, NAC Geographic Products' address in Toronto would be 8CNB5 Q8Z4R.

    Try remembering that one. I'm happy with five numbers. Atleast I can make some sort of memory device of that.
    1. Re:Complex Codes! by Hentai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not at all.

      My city name is not conceptually grasped as seven characters; it is a single mimetic construct. Humans have a much easier time identifying with the name of a place than they do with a random string of letters and numbers. "Phoenix, Arizona" means something more than a physical location in space. It's a community. It's the warmth of the sun at my back. It's the image of Scottsdale, panning wide with dust-tan gravel and bounding jackrabbits. It's the two jutting masses of high-rises on either side of the I-10. It's six dozen hole-in-a-wall dance clubs. It's open skies, painfully blue and clear at six in the morning; it's raging thunderstorms on an August afternoon, with whole pepper trees sailing down the road at 50 miles an hour. My mind recalls all these things, and each of them reinforces the neural pathway that says "Phoenix". What do your ten letters and numbers mean, sir? What memories do they offer? What emotions do they evoke?

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  2. Nice thought by greechneb · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The proposed 10-digit universal address could be used for both homes and businesses. Slightly longer than Canada's six-digit alphanumeric postal code, it would narrow down addresses more accurately. For example, NAC Geographic Products' address in Toronto would be 8CNB5 Q8Z4R.

    Nice thought... but its like the metric system. Who will want to change what they have known for many a lifetime.

    I know my 60 year old dad who does carpentry will never learn the metric system, even though it would be easier, why would he, or the millions like him want to learn a new addressing scheme?

    1. Re:Nice thought by illusion_2K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because not everyone lives in the US. You do know that outside of the US, pretty much everyone has accepted the metric system as standard I hope. Sure, many people (including myself) still use imperial measurements for many things, but on the whole metric is where its at.

      The point here is this would provide a fix to the issue of standardized postal codes in the long term. Just because it's not status-quo doesn't mean it isn't a good idea.

  3. what wrong with the original? by mgs1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there something wrong with the current system? Why not let individual countries decide how they want to have their addresses represented?

  4. Too complicated for 99% of mail by gpinzone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For example, NAC Geographic Products' address in Toronto would be 8CNB5 Q8Z4R.

    Granted, this is only one more digit than a "zip+4" here in the USA, but mixing letters in there is going to be a disaster for the postal service. Their OCR has a hard enough time with decoding zip codes. Now they have to figure out the difference between a Q and a zero. I hope this system is smart enough NOT to implement "O," "S," and "Z" as letters.

    Besides, most mail is local. It's like dialing the country code and area code just to order a pizza.

  5. Yeah, that'll work by ebh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simplification: Trinity College moves from Dublin 2 to Dublin 1BF45S8I0A.

    Precision: Swap two digits and your letter to Grandma ends up Beyond Rangoon.

    Availability: MS owns the postal system. Can't wait to see the EULA ("By licking this stamp...").

    1. Re:Yeah, that'll work by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Precision: Swap two digits and your letter to Grandma ends up Beyond Rangoon.

      That's a serious problem, since as the article mentioned, they want to use these codes to replace addresses, instead of adding them on.

      ZIP codes in the US aid sorting (because they are based on carrier routes instead of simple geographic area) and provide redundancy in the address, so if you mess up something in the address or zip code, there's enough info for a human to correct it. If people switched to using only the new code, that redundancy goes away.

  6. Change is bad (for software) by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the software we have now is too stubborn to let you enter anything else than a 5-digit zip code.

    Somebody will have to convert all these fields to normal strings...

    (though I do hope whatever system is chosen won't make use of both "0" and "O", or both "1" and "l" - let's 1earn something from 0ur mistakes).

  7. They've had this in the military for ages.... by los+furtive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...its called a 10 figure grid reference, and is accurate down to square meter.

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  8. Rubbish. by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The purpose of a postal code is to provide an encoding system that allows the postal distribution network to route mail first between hubs, then down to a local sorting office, and finally into a postman's walk number.

    The purpose is not to locate point X on a sphere, we already have a perfectly adequate global coordinate system for that.

  9. Stupid Idea by EisPick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will never get adopted, since it is both unworkable and unnecessary.

    It's unworkable, because, in the case of U.S. Zip Codes, the current codes are tied to post offices and carrier routes, which don't necessarily subdivide neatly into equally-sized geographic areas. Tying postal codes to arbitrary geographic regions would be a step backwards.

    But it's also unnecessary. Why force each postal system to adopt a uniform coding scheme? Why not let them keep their coding schemes and append a country code to the front.

    This works for phone numbers: Each national phone system need not have the same number of digits in their phone numbers. They simply need a unique country code.

  10. Re:Call me a stick in the mud... by FreeLinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not just use one of the GPS systems. The problem with oversimplifying like this (as idealists tend to do) is they rarely reflect the reality of actual routing, like, "Gee, it's only 12 miles 'as the crow flies'", yet the route in question winds all over the place.

    The real answer is that GPS wouldn't make any money for NAC Geographic Products, whereas this proprietary system would, through licensing to various governments around the world.

    But, the fact of the matter is that the U.S. Postal Service likes its system just fine and will not change it to someone elses liking. Kinda like the metric system. Even if the new system is better. The same is true for the Royal Mail. We already saw how quick England was to jump on the EC bandwagon and adopt the Euro. Indeed far too many countries will be unwilling to change for this system to go global.

    I'd have to sayto NAC Geographic Products; nice try but, no money for you.

  11. Re:Call me a stick in the mud... by rherbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What are they going to do, use smart bombs to deliver your packages? Otherwise, you're going to have to provide a lot of digits of precision on your coordinates. I think the delivery man would prefer a street name.

  12. Re:GPS by harrkev · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why new postal codes at all? With cheap GPS, why not just start using longitude and latitude?


    It gets better!

    Let's say that you wanted to narrow things down to approximately 1-mile. 1-mile is approx 1 minute (1/60 of one degree) of longitude.

    360 degrees * 60 minutes = 21600 different minutes on the face of the earth.

    26 letters plus 10 numbers = 36! Subtract "confusables" (I, O, S, Z) -- 32 possible characters! 32^3 = 32768! The number of character combinations is greater than the number of minutes in one direction. It is a simple math exercise to create a base-32 numbering system and to enumerate all possible minute/second combinations.

    Therefore, three characters can represent your latitude to the nearest mile (give or take), and another three characters for your longitude! A new universal six-digit zip code!

    And all of this in 5 minutes with a simple calculator! What is the big deal? Devising a system such as this is trivial. Getting people to use it is the hard part.
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