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Universal Alphanumeric Postal Code Proposed

Meshach writes "An article in the Globe and Mail is discussing a possible change to the way postal codes are assigned over the world. NAC Geographic Products will be using Microsoft's MapPoint to power their Mobile Location-Based Services Network, which could change all postal codes in the world to a simpler, more universal format."

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  1. Call me a stick in the mud... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Phoo. Why not just use one of the GPS systems. The problem with oversimplifying like this (as idealists tend to do) is they rarely reflect the reality of actual routing, like, "Gee, it's only 12 miles 'as the crow flies'", yet the route in question winds all over the place.

    If they really wanted to simplify postal coding/addressing they'd do something first about these damn addresses for people in South Korea, and a few other countries, which are like a whole paragraph long! Ever have to fill out those little customs forms? Yeah, you know how fun that can be.

    Idealists are more trouble to logistics than would be required to just take them out back and drown them it a bucket of water.

    "Hey, isn't that a quarter in that bucket?"

    Besides, strong initial resistance to this plan, there's probably some disingenuous patent and royalty speculation riding on this.

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    1. Re:Call me a stick in the mud... by FreeLinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not just use one of the GPS systems. The problem with oversimplifying like this (as idealists tend to do) is they rarely reflect the reality of actual routing, like, "Gee, it's only 12 miles 'as the crow flies'", yet the route in question winds all over the place.

      The real answer is that GPS wouldn't make any money for NAC Geographic Products, whereas this proprietary system would, through licensing to various governments around the world.

      But, the fact of the matter is that the U.S. Postal Service likes its system just fine and will not change it to someone elses liking. Kinda like the metric system. Even if the new system is better. The same is true for the Royal Mail. We already saw how quick England was to jump on the EC bandwagon and adopt the Euro. Indeed far too many countries will be unwilling to change for this system to go global.

      I'd have to sayto NAC Geographic Products; nice try but, no money for you.

  2. Complex Codes! by krisp · · Score: 5, Insightful
    For example, NAC Geographic Products' address in Toronto would be 8CNB5 Q8Z4R.

    Try remembering that one. I'm happy with five numbers. Atleast I can make some sort of memory device of that.
    1. Re:Complex Codes! by UCRowerG · · Score: 5, Funny
      The article claims that these will be universal codes for all over the world, but what about for countries that don't use the standard western alphabet?

      download and install the western font from microsoft i suppose.

    2. Re:Complex Codes! by Hentai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not at all.

      My city name is not conceptually grasped as seven characters; it is a single mimetic construct. Humans have a much easier time identifying with the name of a place than they do with a random string of letters and numbers. "Phoenix, Arizona" means something more than a physical location in space. It's a community. It's the warmth of the sun at my back. It's the image of Scottsdale, panning wide with dust-tan gravel and bounding jackrabbits. It's the two jutting masses of high-rises on either side of the I-10. It's six dozen hole-in-a-wall dance clubs. It's open skies, painfully blue and clear at six in the morning; it's raging thunderstorms on an August afternoon, with whole pepper trees sailing down the road at 50 miles an hour. My mind recalls all these things, and each of them reinforces the neural pathway that says "Phoenix". What do your ten letters and numbers mean, sir? What memories do they offer? What emotions do they evoke?

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  3. I can see it now... by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 5, Funny

    With Microsoft in control of the system, Finland will mysteriously disappear from all the routing systems...

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    1. Re:I can see it now... by GammaTau · · Score: 5, Funny

      With Microsoft in control of the system, Finland will mysteriously disappear from all the routing systems...

      Hmm, as a person living in Finland, if that implies Microsoft wouldn't find their way to Finland any longer, it actually sounds like an excellent idea...

  4. Maybe just a rumour by Giant+Ape+Skeleton · · Score: 5, Funny
    But I heard they were considering using l33t5p34k.

    Which means that as a New Jersey resident, my postal code would be:

    5h1+h0l3

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  5. Santa's Address by Dick+Click · · Score: 5, Funny

    I suppose that will mean Santa Claus' Postal Code will change from the current form:

    H0H 0H0

    And thats too bad :(

  6. Yeah, that'll work by ebh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simplification: Trinity College moves from Dublin 2 to Dublin 1BF45S8I0A.

    Precision: Swap two digits and your letter to Grandma ends up Beyond Rangoon.

    Availability: MS owns the postal system. Can't wait to see the EULA ("By licking this stamp...").

  7. Universal Coding? by Jonsey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait for Universal Location Codes v6.

    With 1.8e4806 possible locations, it will be worth everyone memorizing a simple 2Meg file.

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  8. They've had this in the military for ages.... by los+furtive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...its called a 10 figure grid reference, and is accurate down to square meter.

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  9. Rubbish. by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The purpose of a postal code is to provide an encoding system that allows the postal distribution network to route mail first between hubs, then down to a local sorting office, and finally into a postman's walk number.

    The purpose is not to locate point X on a sphere, we already have a perfectly adequate global coordinate system for that.

  10. Re:M$ doing physical mail? WTF?! by Brett+Johnson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Expect Microsoft to add hooks into your Address Book (so you can easily print envelopes with the correct zip code, of course). Then the next Outlook Macro virus with send junk paper mail to everyone in your address book. Once it is also integrated with eStamp, all hell will break loose. Your postal carrier will shoot you when he/she finds 1.3 million outgoing letters in your mailbox.

  11. Re:GPS by ssdairy · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...why not just start using longitude and latitude?
    Good idea. My GPS receiver has a display mode called MGRS (Military Grid Reference System), which maps (with some calculation) to latitude and longitude.
    Example MGRS coordinates:

    16 T CP 12345 67890
    where:
    • 16 = a 6-degree slice of longitude
    • T = a 8-degree slice of latitude
    • CP = letters indicating a 100 km x 100 km square inside the slices listed above
    • 12345 = "easting" in meters from the west edge of the square
    • 67890 = "northing" in meters from the south edge of the square
    Actually kind of nice -- the military uses maps with the squares and easting/northing values pre-printed. Also really nice for quick rough calculations of distance and bearing. If someone wants to use an alphanumeric code representing geographic location, might as well use one that's (1) already standardized and (2) usable by a human.
  12. Uh-oh by pmz · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...could change all postal codes in the world to a simpler, more universal format.

    What's that sound?

    It's the sound of millions of database application programmers screaming in agony.

    The Normalization Monkey says, "Who's laughing now! Bwahahaha!"

  13. We need a meta-standard by wfrp01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before we get completely bogged down by the ever-increasing number of often conflicting "standards", we need to adopt a "Standard Standard". That is to say, a standard which standardizes the standardization of standards. The first self-referential standard in this meta standard must say, of course, that "Standard Standard" is the standard standard standard. Anyone who implements this standard standard will immediately realize huge profits corresponding to the savings accrued by eliminating the standard duplication of standards which has become the standard.

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  14. Re:GPS by harrkev · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why new postal codes at all? With cheap GPS, why not just start using longitude and latitude?


    It gets better!

    Let's say that you wanted to narrow things down to approximately 1-mile. 1-mile is approx 1 minute (1/60 of one degree) of longitude.

    360 degrees * 60 minutes = 21600 different minutes on the face of the earth.

    26 letters plus 10 numbers = 36! Subtract "confusables" (I, O, S, Z) -- 32 possible characters! 32^3 = 32768! The number of character combinations is greater than the number of minutes in one direction. It is a simple math exercise to create a base-32 numbering system and to enumerate all possible minute/second combinations.

    Therefore, three characters can represent your latitude to the nearest mile (give or take), and another three characters for your longitude! A new universal six-digit zip code!

    And all of this in 5 minutes with a simple calculator! What is the big deal? Devising a system such as this is trivial. Getting people to use it is the hard part.
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  15. Ocean delivery by bogasity · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since 70% of the postal codes will be in the middle of the ocean, I can't wait to send out snail mail to random addresses. "Return to sender: no creature with opposable thumbs was available to sign for delivery. Try back in 3 billion years."

  16. My dream (Unique Post Codes) by PhoenixOne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I move around a lot. My dream would be to have a unique post code for each person. The post office could keep this number in a database and, if anybody wanted to reach you, they would just have to write your name and number and it would be sent to your current address. I would even pay to have this happen. I'm just tired of filling out forms and having people send me stuff at addresses that I haven't lived in for years...

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