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Apple Announces iSync 1.1 and QuickTime 6.3

chrisbw writes "According to this press release, Apple has announced iSync 1.1 and Quicktime 6.3. iSync adds support for more phones (including USB), as well as syncing Safari bookmarks!" Software Update has QuickTime 6.3 now, and iSync 1.1 is available via the web site.

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  1. Software Update by HaloZero · · Score: 1, Informative

    Do note, that as of 3 June 2003, 0935 AM EST, the updates are not as of yet available via OS X's 'Software Update' function/package/program/thinger. Yup.

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    1. Re:Software Update by pudge · · Score: 1

      QuickTime was for me. That's how I got it. Running it now. Awww yeah.

    2. Re:Software Update by HaloZero · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just worked for me. Also included is now a Bluetooth Software download, upgrade to 1.2.1, which wasn't mentioned by the original article poster in this Apple Update.

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    3. Re:Software Update by klui · · Score: 1

      As a geek, you know it's against the cardinal rules to wake up before 11:00am. When I checked sw updates at around 1pm local time, Bluetooth, and QuickTime were available under Software Update.

    4. Re:Software Update by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      I happen to be a geek with a job in web operations. Hey, waking up at 8:00 and getting paid 12.50 an hour is just fine with me.

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  2. Well this is good by HatesMS · · Score: 0

    I'm glad they are still innovating within quicktime and adding this support. I was a bit confused when I visited apple.com this morning and saw "iSync" and a picture of a computer with cell phones around it. I though maybe syncing would have more to do with palm devices. need to do more reading on this :P Cheers :)

    1. Re:Well this is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      iSync is a generic synchronization platform. It uses SyncML to keep databases together across multiple devices.

      It's an important part of Palm use with a Mac, but in truth using iSync with a Palm is a little messy. That's because Palms don't support SyncML. So you still have to use their piece-of-shit "hotsync" software, although iSync handles all the ins-and-outs of getting your data in and out of your applications. Hotsync still has to do the heavy lifting with your Palm.

      With Bluetooth phones, on the other hand, iSync is all you need. Just pair the phone to the computer and click "Sync Now." Poof. All your contacts and calendar items are in your phone. It's pretty nice.

  3. WHO CARES??? by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Why is it that every time there is a swupdate people have to chime in about when it is/isn't available in swupdate?

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    1. Re:WHO CARES??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One reason. Karma. Sweet, sweet karma.

  4. and...yadayadayad makes 3 today by djupedal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bluetooth 1.2.1 provides enhanced stability and support for the following Symbian OS based mobile phones: Nokia 3650, Nokia 7650, and Sony Ericsson P800. Bluetooth 1.2.1 is recommended for use with iSync 1.1.

    1. Re:and...yadayadayad makes 3 today by finelinebob · · Score: 1

      Now, if only it would sync my Nokia 3650 images folder with iPhoto and Video folder with iMovie....

    2. Re:and...yadayadayad makes 3 today by warez · · Score: 1

      The support for the Nokia 7650 is STILL flaky. Everytime I try to use iSync with the phone, it says it can't establish a connection with the phone, even though the phone asks me if I want to allow the connection. With the Bluetooth update, at least the phone works with the address book now (SMS, Voice Mail, Answer) everytime the phone rings, but unless iSync is fixed, it's rather pointless because I don't know WHO is calling without having to look on the phone in the first place (and that sort've defeats the purpose).

  5. What a letdown by yorkrj · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was hoping that this update would fix some annoying features of iSync. In order to get iSync to work with your Palm, you need to install Palm Desktop before iSync then do the hokey pokey and ... well I forget how it goes. I first thought it would replace Palm Desktop but it does some sort of conduit interfacting with PD. I wanted to see this revision drop the complexities of getting iSync to work with my Palm but it looks like this has not happened. ...bummer.

    1. Re:What a letdown by dwaxman · · Score: 1

      Does it however work well with datebook categories? My problem with iSync is that it for some reason does not like my categories and everything ends up in some "untitled" category.

    2. Re:What a letdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Once you set it up its nothing, just hit the sync button on your palm/cradle/whatever and it opens isync and syncs for you, they probably will never fix that "bug" cause it really isnt any, its probably a Palm thing where they wont license it out to Apple for fear apple might get more adventurous in the future and re-write the Palm OS, or some stupid crap like that. As long as Palm desktop is always on your computer they are happy, even if you dont use it

    3. Re:What a letdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it's nothing so complex or bogus as that. It's simply that Palm doesn't speak SyncML, and iSync only speaks SyncML. So iSync and the Palm Desktop software have to work together. iSync pulls your data out of your address book and iCal and whatnot and packages it up for Palm Desktop, and Palm Desktop puts it into your Palm. And then, vice-versa.

      If Palm supported SyncML, we'd be in business. But there's not much that Palm does that makes sense. My Tungsten T has bluetooth built in, for instance, but it can't be synched over Bluetooth. Which makes the Bluetooth completely useless. Whatever.

    4. Re:What a letdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may be missing out on something. I have a Tungsten T and an iBook with a D-Link Bluetooth dangle and I sync everyday the Address Book, Agenda, etc. with MS Entourage using Palm Desktop (not iSync). Don't recall having done anything extraordinary when setting it up months ago.

    5. Re:What a letdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, sure, if you want to sacrifice use of Address Book and iCal, you can use bullshit Entourage and Palm Desktop. But those of us who don't want to use shitty applications sync with iSync over USB instead.

      I swear. If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a fuckin switcher.

    6. Re:What a letdown by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Informative
      My Tungsten T has bluetooth built in, for instance, but it can't be synched over Bluetooth.

      Er?

      I agree that iSync is really just a fat conduit that hooks up various bits to the Palm HotSync process, but I'm syncing My Tungsten T just fine over Bluetooth to my G4. The base station stays at work (on Win2000) and syncs up with Outlook (gotta use it -- corporate calendar/mail) for Calendar and ToDo lists only. Other stuff syncs to the Palm Desktop.

      At home I sync up iCal and Address Book, everything else to Palm Desktop and no "backup" -- all over Bluetooth. I don't connect the Tungsten to a USB device at all at home.

      It's all documented on the Palm and Apple support sites on how to do it.

      The next trick for me will be connecting over Bluetooth to the Mac via pppd. I'm half the way there -- just need to sort of the connection chat details -- but the G4 is happily thinking the Bluetooth adpater is a 115k serial port and can see the start of a handshake from Palm on the other side of the "wire".

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    7. Re:What a letdown by klui · · Score: 2, Informative

      Macintouch covered this today but did not exactly say in what order should things be done, either. After you download each component (iSync 1.1, iSync Palm Conduit 1.1, and Palm Desktop 4.1), and read the readme for iSync Palm Conduit 1.1, you'll then understand you should install/upgrade in the order: Palm Desktop, iSync, iSync Palm Conduit.

    8. Re:What a letdown by drauh · · Score: 1

      Yow. The Reg has some cautionary articles about bugs in iSync, and a pssing mention of bugs in iPod.

      Don't get me wrong, I love my TiBook and OS X, but I wish Apple would go back to being the reliable company it used to be.

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  6. Safari Bookmarks by GreenKiwi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone know whether this will be bi-directional? i.e. Can I use bookmarks on one machine... and on another and add to each of them in between syncs? That would be awesome!

    By the way, is there any easy way to do this with Mozilla? Especially, with mozilla on different OSs?

    1. Re:Safari Bookmarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes... syncing Bookmarks works exactly as calendars and contacts : you can edit them on any sync'ed computers and iSync will merge them correctly.

    2. Re:Safari Bookmarks by metamatic · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use a tool called BookIt, which will sync bookmarks between all Mac browsers as well as Mozilla on Windoze. It'll sync across the net as long as you can mount the remote filesystem somehow. I carry my bookmarks on a 128MB flash memory stick that's about 25x12x2 mm.

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  7. does it fix the muxed audio bug? by davesag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    does the new quicktimee fix the bug with muxed audio tracks in the movies that sony cybershot cameras make, whereby the movies play fine but if you try to save them as any other format they lose their audio and you have to mess about with a bunch of 3rd party hacks to get the audio out okay?

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    1. Re:does it fix the muxed audio bug? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      That happens with pretty much all MPEG-1 files and it's a real PITA. Since the bug has been there for years I don't have any hope of it ever being fixed.

    2. Re:does it fix the muxed audio bug? by davesag · · Score: 1

      No is the short answer to my own question. Havingnow installed qt6.3 I gave it a go and nope - no luck. I simply can npt understand why not either. I mean the damn movies play okay but quicktime won't export the audio. How can it play the audio but claim there is no audio? Bad wicked naughty apple.

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  8. Another thing not mentioned.... by ihatewinXP · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (from the AP press release)

    [The new Quicktime is] the industry's first mainstream solution to support the 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) standard and to deliver a foundation for the creation, delivery and playback of rich multimedia content over wireless networks.

    More coming from Apple and that DoCoMo partnership I guess? I would love to have QT capabilities on my cel.....

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    1. Re:Another thing not mentioned.... by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... Interesting... Would that mean accessing some content provided by Apple? I'm thinking trailers here, or maybe AAC music files from the Music Store (buy directly from your mobile, and/or sync with iTunes).

      Maybe Apple is trying to become some kind of content provider for mobile phone companies?

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  9. And to finish my own post..... by ihatewinXP · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just found some specifics....

    "QuickTime 6.3 delivers extensive support for the 3GPP standard, including Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) and Adaptive Multi-Rate (AMR) audio, MPEG-4 and H.263 video, 3G Text (TX3G) and native .3gp file format support."

    Of course AAC support and MPEG-4, but what the hell is 3G text?

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    1. Re:And to finish my own post..... by sg3000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      R E A L L Y . W I D E . T E X T

      [3G uses a wider frequency bandwidth for each channel than regular IS-95 CDMA. Approximately 3 times the bandwidth, if I remember correctly. Sorry. RF engineers have an annoying sense of humor!]

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  10. Hmm maybe 6.3 will actually *INSTALL* in windows? by GoRK · · Score: 1

    Has anyone encountered the problem when quicktime will not even install in windows without completely crashing the machine? I have tried to install quicktime 6.1 numerous times on this one windows xp machine to no avail. Nothing will work - even directly after a completely new clean install of windows.

    Plenty of other people out there seem to have the same problem, but i havent found a fix for it. Very bizzare.

    ~GoRK

  11. New iSync only for new iPods? by Van+Halen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    According to this post apparently iSync 1.1 only works with iPods that have firmware 2.0 and up. I can't verify it yet since I'm at work and my iPod is a 30 GB with the 2.0 firmware anyway. Anyone with an older iPod want to give it a try and see?

    If true, perhaps this means a new iPod firmware ought to be coming out very soon? I know Apple promised an update for USB 2.0 under Windows in June. But my primary concern is that we get an update that fixes the bugs in the 2.0 firmware (most notably the clicking between tracks).

    But then I'm straying a bit off topic here... Hopefully the AAC encoder in QuickTime 6.3 works as well as or better than QT 6.2 for encoding from iTunes. I did a quick comparison before leaving this morning, and while there are byte differences between a 6.2-encoded AAC and a 6.3-encoded file, they are both the same size and I couldn't tell any audible difference (improvement or otherwise) at 160 kbps. The blurb on the website about 6.3 has plenty of marketing-speak about AAC but no real technical details telling whether anything of substance changed.

    Just some random thoughts, back to work!

    1. Re:New iSync only for new iPods? by mcwetboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, only syncing To-Do Items requires iPod 2.0. Syncing To-Do items is new. Old iPods will work as before, presumably.

    2. Re:New iSync only for new iPods? by goldid · · Score: 1

      Works fine on my original rev iPod. No notes still, of course, but everything works just like it used to.

  12. Sony pda syncs now by Minter92 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My WOOHOOO about my clie finally syncing with my mac was cut short when I realized it was only syncing the memo nothing else. No calender no address book. odd.

    Still playing with it though.

    1. Re:Sony pda syncs now by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 3, Informative
      My WOOHOOO about my clie finally syncing with my mac was cut short...

      You've checked out Missing Sync, right?

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    2. Re:Sony pda syncs now by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

      Actually when I got my Clie (which I love) I just found Palm Desktop 4 on Version Tracker and installed it and it works fine, everything Syncs perfectly- I even installed all the palm software of the Windows CD (just drag and drop). The only thing that doesn't work is viewing the memory stick like a disk, but I can still install stuff on the Memory Stick though Palm Desktop.

      Since I got my Clie I also got a Lexar media reader that reads memory sticks (and CF an SD and MM...) So now I just pop the Memory Stick into the reader and it pops up like a disk, NO DRIVERS!

    3. Re:Sony pda syncs now by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      I have a Clie and I went through hell with iSync 1.0; wound up uninstalling the whole thing and going back to Palm Desktop, which works fine for my needs. Also I hate iCal and I couldn't go back to Palm Calendar. For now I'm sticking to Palm Desktop with Missing Sync.

    4. Re:Sony pda syncs now by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 1
      Nice. About the only thing I might like about Missing Sync is the ability to mount the memory card on the desktop.

      I'll probably get a media reader instead, however.

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  13. Re:Hmm maybe 6.3 will actually *INSTALL* in window by lamz · · Score: 1

    I just installed it OK on Windows NT. (When I get home, I'll install it on my 'real' computer -- my iMac G4.)

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  14. Re:Hmm maybe 6.3 will actually *INSTALL* in window by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope. We also don't believe you when you say that "plenty" of others are having this "problem." We think you're a fuckin troll. Why else would you post something about Windows on a Mac board?

  15. P800...I'm not ready to blame Apple. Yet. by jtrascap · · Score: 3, Informative

    What version of Bluetooth in the P800 are you users on? (To find out, do this: Go to Applications (4 dots), menu: View, then System Information. When the System Infomation panel is open, click the arrow (go to the second page).

    My Bluetooth verison is CXC12529 R5A

    It's been updated TWICE in the past 2 months (once at CeBIT and once recently in the mass update). SE has really messed-up the Bluetooth implementation so that the Auto mode doesn't work with headsets (and possibly the Mac, when the phone rings for example). It only supports the most basic OBEX Push for Bluetooth.

    We might soon either have a workaround from Apple, or a new revision for compliance from SonyEricsson.

  16. P800 NO iCal sync? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.apple.com/isync/devices.html

    P800 still doesn't work with iCal, but Sony Ericsson Bluetooth phones do work with it?

    1. Re:P800 NO iCal sync? by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      I have a Motorola Timeport P280...mainly because it was an early GPRS "world" phone and had features good for a business traveller (IrDA, USB for GPRS, tri-mode GSM, etc).

      I'm VERY surprised that the P280 isn't listed too....but suspect that it's just a case that Apple haven't tested it because it's getting a little long-in-the-tooth.

      Once I find a USB cable, I'll test it ;-)

      -psy

    2. Re:P800 NO iCal sync? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was strange too. Seems like they would have had the top Sony Ericsson phone handled by now. Maybe with Panther?

  17. A family sharing Mac-PDA-Phone syncronization by amichalo · · Score: 1

    Okay, call me dumb, but is it possible for a couple to both have their own PDAs and/or synchable cell phones and share a single computer and further sync to that computer using iSync and not end up mixing up one another's calendars and contact lists?

    Please help, I am afraid of reading marketing materials

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    1. Re:A family sharing Mac-PDA-Phone syncronization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's called two different logins.

    2. Re:A family sharing Mac-PDA-Phone syncronization by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 2, Informative

      Palm Desktop does that, easily. OR, (as another reply mentions) you should have two different accounts on your OS X computer.

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  18. Thank God by onthefenceman · · Score: 1

    I bought a T68i to shamelessly pander to my (admittedly large) geeky side. However, the T68 (and T39, same internals) is an abyssmal phone. Good to see that Apple is branching out a bit.

    On a slightly OT note, where are the BT-compatible car stereos that were being developed so long ago? BT hands-free headsets are in their 2nd or 3rd generation. It seems that at least one BT-compatible stereo would be on the market by now.

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    1. Re:Thank God by raverbuzzy · · Score: 1

      T68 != T39

    2. Re:Thank God by data1 · · Score: 1

      Feel free to pick up a 2004 Mercedes Banz E Class Automobile with the COMAND system. This version of COMAND includes Bluetooth support.

    3. Re:Thank God by data1 · · Score: 1

      Feel free to pick up a 2004 Mercedes Benz E Class Automobile with the COMAND system. This version of COMAND includes Bluetooth support.

  19. Hope there are bug fixes. by azav · · Score: 1

    We had a bug before in California that the Sony Ericsson bluetooth phone would save all the address information from iCal incorrectly. All address info was off by 7 hours.

    Bet the phone's time zone was whatever it was in Finland

    Sure hope this is fixed.

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  20. Yup all the time by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

    Nearly every time I'm in the computer lab I end up installing Quicktime 6.1 on their Windows XP machines. It's installed with no problems on every one I've tried (probably about 16 or 20).

  21. And..iMovie makes 4 today by djupedal · · Score: 2, Informative

    iMovie 3.03 via the website...(this one, if an improvement, is badly needed).

    What?s New in iMove 3.0.3
    iMovie 3.0.3 provides improved performance and stability, especially on G3 processor Macs, for rendering, audio, and the Ken Burns Effect. Refinements to the Ken Burns Effect allow greater control over pan and zoom of digital images, and make it easier to crop digital stills. QuickTime 6.3 is required for improvements to audio sync and audio integrity.

  22. My 1ghz TiBook no longer boots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just installed the updates to a vanilla 1GHZ TiBook and can no longer boot it. Booting with twirly V indicates that it cannot mount the filesystem anymore.

    Anyone seen this ?

    1. Re:My 1ghz TiBook no longer boots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Must be something you did wrong. Have you been touching yourself? Because your Mac won't tolerate SIN.

    2. Re:My 1ghz TiBook no longer boots... by psyconaut · · Score: 1

      Did you try a PRAM reset? I've had to do this after installing some updates before, and I'm talking about updates where you wouldn't think you'd need to do a PRAM reset! :-o

      -psy

  23. Plus iMovie 3.0.3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was also updated this afternoon.

    I would bet that iDVD will be updated soon too since QT 6.3 and iMovie 3.0.3 are out.

  24. ¡Different Accounts! by Walabio · · Score: 1

    Each user should have a different user-account in Users:

    /Users/daughter/
    /Users/guest/
    /Users/husband/
    /Users/Shared/
    /Users/son/
    /Users/wife/

  25. TimeZones! by Walabio · · Score: 1

    It is GMT, the time of the world. Personally I set all of my clocks to 24 hour mode in GMT anyway. I would like to measure time as a 64-bit binary complex integer (a + b[root]-1) representing the number of seconds since the Gregorian date 1970-01-01T00:00:00 with the clock translating the complex integer into units more familiar to humans.

  26. SprintPCS needs the phones by chia_monkey · · Score: 1

    When iSync first came out I almost switched cell providers just so I could be a geek and use my phone. But I stayed with Sprint. Then I saw the SonyEricsson that was compatible with CDMA systems so I still stayed. And now this announcement, and yet I STILL don't see Sprint phone on their site.

    So my basic rambling gets down to the fact Apple rocks and some of these phone companies have no idea how much business they are getting simply because of iSync. And Sprint needs to get off their ass 'cause I'm gonna switch soon if they don't.

    So there.

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    1. Re:SprintPCS needs the phones by espidre · · Score: 1

      Sony Ericsson T608 is 'supposed' to be released this month. Blue Tooth ...Yee haw. yeah, I got excited when I saw the link to SprintPCS too, and they flat out told me they don't have anything for Mac Users. I'm still hanging in there for the 'unlimited vision' if you don't void your TOS agreement...hehe.

  27. kinda weird that ... by chrispy666 · · Score: 1

    ...Apple supports the NTT 3G FOMA docomo thing, and yet no japanese cell phone can be sync'ed with iSync. Not even the address book, although nearly all japanese cellphones (wether Docomo or J-Phone or Au) support the vcal and vcard format...

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    1. Re:kinda weird that ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nokia 3650's videos are in the .3gp format but QuickTime 6.3 still says it is a file that it cannot understand. (I simply sent the video to my Mac over Bluetooth...like my jpegs and midi ringtones).

    2. Re:kinda weird that ... by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 1

      You need to install 3gpp-support separately after you've installed QT 6.3.

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  28. 3G text (TX3G) is just time-synchronized text by jerde · · Score: 1
    From Apple's 3GPP page:
    As text is a key element in wireless communications, the 3GPP specification includes support for 3G Text (TX3G). This text is time-based, meaning it can be appropriately synchronized with audio and video tracks for titling, captioning, and even karaoke. QuickTime 6.3 includes support for importing and exporting 3G Text as well as XML. In addition, nearly any ASCII text file can be imported into QuickTime Pro and exported as 3G Text in a .3gp file.

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  29. Re:Hmm maybe 6.3 will actually *INSTALL* in window by andreMA · · Score: 1

    Um, the board deals with Apple (including the software for Windows that they release), not specifically Macintosh... regardless of how many people may or may not experience the installation problem cited.

  30. Motorola Support.... nummers by kerbawya · · Score: 1

    having isync with usb support for a large list of motorola phones is HUGE. I have been waiting a year for this day where i can use my crappy motorola t720 with isync. i wanted to switch to a provider with sony ericsson phone support so bad. i got owned by the verizon salesperson and recieved this inferior phone about a year ago. one of my bigger regrets of the past year. they woo you with the big color lcd and downloadable games and ringtones. ALL cost more money than is worth. its like downloading from the itunes music store except it cost 6 times as much and take 20 times longer. anyway. props to apple on yet another wise move.

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  31. Living in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'real', ha ha!
    You're living in the past, NT and Mac are dead.