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Special Edition Using Star Office 6.0

rjnagle writes "I got my cubicle colleague interested in OpenOffice.org when I said, "Here's something that can convert your Word files to PDF ... for free!" By now people hip to the open source concept use OpenOffice.org for everyday applications, yet MS Office is still the predominant application in the home and workplace. Many educated people have still not heard of it. Why?" Read on for Nagle's four-part answer to that question, and his (lengthy) review of Michael Koch's Special Edition Using Star Office 6.0 -- the content applies to StarOffice's free cousin OpenOffice.org as well. Special Edition Using Star Office 6.0 author Michael Koch pages 1078 + index publisher Que rating quality: 5 stars; usability: 4 stars; weight: 1 star reviewer Robert Nagle ISBN 0789728338 summary Great for easing the transition to Openoffice/Staroffice.

First, PC makers rarely have financial inducements to preinstall open source applications, especially when it eats into their upsell margins. Second, people have a misconception that documents produced in MS Office can only be read by MS Office (a fact which leads Richard Stallman to call for an end to all Microsoft Word attachments ). Third, subsidized prices and the wide availability of instructional material ensure that teachers use these commercial products for class and give assignments requiring them. Finally, consumers switching to an open source product need confidence that the open source application has equivalent functionality and adequate documentation to reduce the learning curve.

Fortunately, a first-class user guide on OpenOffice.org/StarOffice has been written, and that book is Michael Koch's Special Edition Using StarOffice 6.0. This book, actually a second edition, covers the new version and gives fuller treatment to StarOffice writer and the HTML editor. Despite the use of "StarOffice" in the title, this book actually covers both StarOffice and OpenOffice.org in depth.

An an aside, let me compliment Que editions for the legibility and usability of layout. (Que also produced the excellent Ed Bott's Special Edition Using Microsoft Office XP). Nice readable texts, lots of boxes, tips and cautions. Every chapter finishes with a helpful troubleshooting section.

Two immediate reactions: 1) Gosh, I didn't know OpenOffice/StarOffice could do all that! I was pleasantly surprised, for example, to learn the number of graphic capabilities the program has. 2) This book covers functionality in considerable depth, with enough content to satisfy the newbie as well as the advanced user. In addition to documenting the office software, the book also includes reference sections on StarOffice Basic, using data sources, building forms and macros. It also includes a chapter on Adabas, the database that comes as part of the StarOffice package (but not with OpenOffice.org).

Koch benefits from the fact that users already start with a good conceptual framework of what MS Office products are supposed to do. The biggest conceptual challenge in moving from MS Office to Star/OpenOffice is getting used to the idea of applying styles to text instead of just clicking on an icon for formatting. MS Office actually has terrific styling capabilities (and a usable interface for managing styles),but Microsoft's friendly GUI discourages users from thinking about document structure. Contrast that to OpenOffice.org, which nudges the user more firmly towards styles. Managing the different layers of styles in OpenOffice.org can be tricky and confusing, so Koch spends a considerable amount of time and space on that. Another chapter on sharing and exchanging information with MS Office users goes into exquisite detail about compatibility and formatting losses when converting documents, as well as the StarOffice XML file format.

Cordelia of Buffy the Vampire Slayer once said, "There are books about computers? Isn't that the point of computers, to replace books?" Perhaps I am just cheap, but when evaluating a user guide, I often ask whether the online help isn't good enough. Or whether newgroups/websites/forums are adequate. Or whether the user interface is intuitive or allows you to discover a solution by just playing around. Dozens of heavy thousand-page books clutter my apartment, leading me to wonder whether the convenience of a gigantic dead-tree reference guide outweighs the increase in clutter. Every time I move to another apartment, I keep lugging those gigantic SQL and C++ books I haven't consulted for years, but feel compelled to keep around. (Contrast that with the very portable and handy Oreilly's Linux Server Hacks: 100 Industrial-Strength Tips and Tools, (reviewed on Slashdot), which covers most sysadmin tasks AND can be stashed in a backpack without causing whiplash).

For the last two months (in which I used OpenOffice.org thoroughly), I performed a little experiment. Where was the best place to find answers to my OpenOffice.org questions? I tried consulting the online help, then the book, then the newsgroups and openoffice websites. Here are the results:

  1. Adding page numbers. The book had the best information, though what do you look under in the index? I eventually found it under "Numbers, Writer" (?!). Online help was useless. (The answer is to insert a footer and then insert a page number field in the footer).
  2. I just created a hyperlink in the HTML editor. But the underlined style is bleeding to the text after the link. How do I stop that? Neither the book nor online help provided the answer, although the newsgroup did after 24 hours. (The answer is to press the End key or to select Format >> Default)
  3. How do I create an HTML style with the stylist which specifies the background color of a table cell? (No answer from anywhere, although Koch admits that that the StarOffice HTML editor is "temperamental").
  4. While drawing a flowchart on the Draw program, how do I save the entire image as a jpeg and not just the highlighted part? (By grouping the components together, the book helpfully advises. The online help offers nothing).
  5. On a spreadsheet, what is the keyboard shortcut for bringing the cursor back to the left column? (Keyboard shortcuts are easy to find in the book. Couldn't find it in the online help).

Generally, the book had the most reliable and in-depth information. That was especially helpful when trying to perform a complex action (like creating a table of contents). But the majority of my inquiries had to do with using the interface, not functionality. Often the sheer size of the book made daunting the simple task of finding a function on a dialog or a keyboard shortcut.

That is the paradox of super-sized application manuals. Surely one doesn't read them from cover to cover. But after an application reaches a certain level of complexity, the software interface is no longer intuitive, and you pretty much need a book just to find things in the interface. As one who does technical writing, it may sound funny to say, but often my favorite thing about these super-size manuals are the screenshots. I can't tell you how many times I've browsed through a book and come across a dialog box I never knew existed. On the other hand, when application manuals reach a certain size, navigating through "book interfaces" becomes almost as difficult as navigating through the software interface or help system.

Online help is good when you know what you're looking for (i.e., when you have a specific search term to look for). Books are good when you don't know what you're looking for. With books, the reader can flip through pages in the general vicinity of a topic and randomly stumble upon the right information. Books allow the user to bypass the outlined hierarchy of online help and learn the appropriate terminology for describing the task (which then makes it easier to find things in the online help).

A recent visit to a technical bookstore and a large chain bookstores showed no books on the shelf for StarOffice, but dozens of books on Microsoft Office, That is too bad, because Using StarOffice 6.0 provides much-needed in-depth coverage on an application whose user base will grow as tight budgets cause companies and public sector agencies to examine open source alternatives.

* PDF conversion (as well as docbook and Flash) export are available on the OpenOffice.org 1.1 Beta 2 build.

Other OpenOffice.org Resources:

Kaaredyret has the best English language OpenOffice links page . ooodocs.org has a lively Forum for OO users. Or if you want, you can look at a PDF of the official Staroffice Documentation (400 pages)

ROBERT NAGLE (aka idiotprogrammer )is a technical writer, trainer who doesn't think that open source documentation sucks . He works for Texas Instruments in Houston, Texas. You can purchase the Special Edition Using StarOffice 6.0 from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  1. OO.o is Amazing by sethadam1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been using exclusively OO.o for a number of months. I recently installed MS Office 2003 b2 and took it for a run, and while tight and very modern, it's full of many crazy features and the XML is writes is hopelessly unreadable.

    Most people take open source apps for granted, but this is one app that is DEFINITELY worth your cash. Ifd you really want to be part of a free software community, buy StarOffice 6 from Sun.

  2. StarOffice+Education by BJZQ8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I will say that in my experience StarOffice does mangle a good percentage of Word files...but the plain-jane files that high school students make are usually done just fine. I'm in the process of piloting about 25 machines with SO instead of Office. We'll see what the kids and teachers think...

    1. Re:StarOffice+Education by bflong · · Score: 4, Informative

      Get OpenOffice.org 1.1 Beta. The filters have *vastly* improved. There are many features added as well. Don't bother with StarOffice unless you really need comercial support (questions are probbly answered faster on the forums) or the clipart (which you can get elseware anyway). The database app thats distributed sucks, so I won't even count that.

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  3. No... by Telastyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS office is so prevalent because companies require shared calendaring; thus pretty much Outlook. Everything else comes with outlook, and is thus readily available for use.

    No offense to the various free options; but they're just not there yet. At least not there enough to get people [who by nature resist change] to change.

  4. woohoo, pdf conversion... by molo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been doing PDF conversion from Word without Acrobat for ages. Its very simple:

    Add a new printer that uses postscript, and have it use the "FILE:" port. That way whenever you print to it, it will print to a file in postscript. Windows will name it .prn by default, but rename it to .ps if you like.. its just postscript. Then run it through ps2pdf (available on cygwin, I believe), part of the Ghostscript package. Bingo, you have your brand-spankin new PDF.

    Yes, it does lack some of the more advanced PDF features, such as clickable table of contents, or fill-in forms.. but it gets you a viewable PDF.

    -molo

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    1. Re:woohoo, pdf conversion... by Daemonik · · Score: 5, Interesting

      See, there's a difference between people who like to tinker with their computers, installing ghostscript, cygwin and the like in order to output a PDF file in "12 Easy Steps!" and the people who have more important things to do so they love a simple "Print to PDF" option.

    2. Re:woohoo, pdf conversion... by WankersRevenge · · Score: 4, Informative

      A far easier method is to head over to SourceForge, download PDF Creator, and print to PDF from your application.

      Easy, Peasie, Japaneasie

  5. What is missing... by hndrcks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A dorky low-end database with a really quick learning curve and good reporting capabilities.

    Yes, Access sucks horribly - but walk into any mid-size office and I bet you'll find at least one 'mission critical' Access database or (worse yet), applications written with a VB frontend and Access backend. IMHO, this is what's missing to make it really competitive.

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    1. Re:What is missing... by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Define suck.

      Access for what it is, which is a low end database for semi-technical people, does a pretty good job. It's fantastic for ad-hoc reporting and querying on the desktop. File import is ridiculously easy. The GUI while having a learning curve works well, and the scripting language is pretty frigging powerful.

      In my shop, the accountants use access and excel side by side. Some tasks have evolved over the years using these tools to the point where if we wanted to get these users 'off' access and excel, we're not quite sure how to do it.

      I don't know if this is necessarily a bad thing. The people get their work done using tools they're comfortable with. From their point of view the tools are too robust to take away.

      From our point of view, being hooked on M$ tools isn't good. The work process probably should be vendor independant.

      To keep this post from going off topic, let me adress these concerns in the context of using OO.o as a replacement for M$ tools.

      Does OO.o offer line by line implementations of M$'s Office scripting languages?

      Does OO.o's database offer .csv file importing?

      GUI database design?

      Tight integration with the spreadsheet app?

      In no way at all do I mean to slam the fine, outstanding work that the OO.o team has done. As a programmer myself, I'm astounded by what they're accomplishing. What I'm trying to say is that folks doing real mission critical work are used to M$ tools. They don't want something new, unless the change is going to be invisible to them. They're accountants, not software guys.

      Another way of looking at this. Try talking to a carpenter about a hammer that requires a side swing to work, instead of a down swing. And that the hammer will work on 75% of his nails. And it's picky about whether he's hammering into oak or pine.

      So anyway, while some may think that Access sucks, it fills a role. OO.o doesn't have anything like it. Yet.

      But a tight GUI and scripting language on top of MYSQL would be frigging cool. We'd have a scalable personal database.

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  6. Does OO print better than Word? by OECD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main problem (from a print shop's perspective) with Word is that it is printer dependent. People compose a document, print it out on their inkjet and expect it to print out exactly the same on any other printer. (It almost never does.)

    Is OO any better at this? Or does it mimic this "feature" for compatibility?

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  7. Education by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Many educated people have still not heard of it. Why?

    Because education is not necessarily to do with computing. I know some highly educated people who would stare at me blankly if I showed them a regexp, for example. Why? Because it's not their domain of knowledge. They, in turn, could perform the same trick on me.

    My then-girlfriend-now-wife put herself back through college a few years ago, to become a qualified dispensing optician. The first year I could keep up with her courswork easily without going to the classes - fairly simple algebra/geometry plus a bit of jargon learning to do. The second year, I had to study the books carefully to give her any help. The third year? Forget it, I was way out of my depth.

    Being highly educated doesn't necessarily equate to being interested in computing.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  8. OT - No more Word! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Informative
    I know this doesn't have anything to do with the review really, but: I am the lone IT guy at a small (publishing among other things) company. We no longer accept Word files, all text must be in .rtf or .txt formats.

    I have had to educate some on why we don't take them anymore. Here's the mail I sent out:

    As we use many different programs to layout, archive, and read files, we require file formats that do not depend on any one program.

    Please send all documents saved as .RTF (rich text format). This is an open standard, and one that all word processors can read. It also saves to a smaller file size, and is better for archiving as it contains no proprietary code.

    In MS Word, Your .DOC files can be saved as .RTF as follows.

    1. Open your document
    2. Go to the 'File' menu
    3. Select 'Save As'
    4. In the dialog box, type a new name for your document if desired, then in the 'Save As Type' drop down menu, choose '.RTF Rich Text Format'.
    5. Click 'Save'
    6. You're done!

    You may also click the 'Options' button in the 'Save As' dialog box and choose '.RTF Rich Text Format' for the drop down menu "Save Word files as". This reminds you to save them as .RTF files.

    In other word processors and page layout programs, you may be able to 'Export' your open file as .RTF.

    So far, no complaints. I hold the cards in this situation (do it this way or no publishing), and the computer stuff is completely up to me, so YMMV.

    It does feel good to kill the .doc files one by one, and if my explanation has a little FUD in it, oh well.

    I learned alot from MS.

  9. Why have so many people not heard of it? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's no such thing as a stupid question, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.

    OpenOffice has basically no visibility. If you don't read one of a few technical websites, where the hell are you going to hear about it? Educated people don't necessarily read NewsForge, and they aren't going to see advertising for OpenOffice in Time or whatever they are reading. Word of mouth works, but it is slow to start.

    When OpenOffice comes preloaded on the PC Aunt Bettie and Uncle Lou buys from Dell (educated people buy from Dell, you know), or it gets advertising during Friends, then people will hear of it.

    As to why people who have heard it aren't using it... Well, sorry, but it does -not- read all MS Office docs correctly. I blame OOo for that no more than I blame Mozilla for not supporting ActiveX, but it's still true. As long as people are still sending MSOffice files around and expecting you to be able to read them and/or modify them, then Open Office is going to have a big hurdle to overcome.

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  10. I used OO for a big project by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We used OOo to write a 1,000+ page software documentation. It worked very well, except for a few bugs that caused crashes or being unable to edit tables at the tops of pages. But that was in the 1.0.1 days. I think these bugs are fixed now. The thing was, when we tried to convert it to Word it went to total, unreadable shit. In fact, every time I have tried to save anything but the most trivial OOo doc in word format, it has failed horribly. It made files that hung Word upon opening. So, in our experience, OOo is great as long as you never have to share your documents with someone using MS office.

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  11. Why? by Mostly+Harmless · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll start by saying that MS Office is just plain easier to use than anything anyone else has to offer, IMHO.

    But that's not to say that it has to be that way. The majority of today's workforce wasn't raised on computer technology. We shouldn't rush to overthrow the tried-and-true in today's corporate market. Open source, Linux, etc., should be implemented in the schools. Today's students will grow up having the means with which to understand the open-sorce movement and perhaps grow it to be a true option in their workforce of tomorrow.

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  12. Gratuitous plug: StarOffice 6.1 by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know what the status of OpenOffice is right now, but for those looking at StarOffice, I say wait!

    6.1 is in its second beta refresh, which from Sun generally means that the next release will be final.

    6.1 has two features that make it VASTLY better than 6.0: antialiased fonts (no more disappearing text in a window!!!) and substantial speed/performance gains. There are, of course tons of other features--much better MS office support, export to PDF, etc. etc.

    6.0 has been my office package for the last year or so, out of necessity. 6.1 will be my package out of choice.

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  13. Book as advertising by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regardless of what anyone thinks of StarOffice (or cousin OpenOffice), having a "Using" series book about it is almost like free advertising. The series has sold umpteen million copies (I own about 65 "Using" volumes myself) and is just about guaranteed to be on major bookstore shelves as well as at office supply stores and some warehouse clubs. So a lot of people will see the book who didn't know SO existed, or hadn't paid it any attention.

    And as always, choice is good, and more useful when you're aware of your choices.

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  14. I'll look hard at OpenOffice... by drdale · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... when they build in the "reveal codes" feature that WordPerfect has. I think that the market share that WordPerfect lost to Word is one of the greatest tragedies of the computer world; WP is a far superior product, and the "reveal codes" feature is a big reason why. And it looks like OO.o has a sub-project going to build in this ability, although the link to give more information on its status seemed to be broken so I can't say how far along it is.

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  15. Re:status of PDF by mccalli · · Score: 4, Informative
    What is the status of PDF? Is it open or is it just that everybody managed to invert the Adobe's work?

    Open. The standard.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  16. Talking points: by Helpadingoatemybaby · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Open Office and other open source programs are getting popular more slowly than expected because of a lack of talking points. Microsoft uses this technique almost daily about their products and about their competitors. These are one line that sums up (sometimes incorrectly) the feature or the point that they want the customer to remember. Microsoft's current talking points that they want to keep in the press are "Linux has a risk of lawsuits. Be careful."

    This article nicely summed up a talking point:

    "Did you know that Open Office can convert word files to PDF for free?" is a great one.

    Another would be:

    "Did you know that that program Mozilla gets rid of pop up ads?", or;

    "Did you know that Google, the largest search engine, uses that open source Linux?"

    The more these are posted and said, the more managers and decision makers will notice. They are simple and memorable (and as Microsoft has noticed, they don't even have to be true.) For good fun, use Microsoft's techniques against them.

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  17. Leaving $$$ on the table by drgroove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PC manufacturers are leaving cash on the table by not offering OpenOffice as an alternative office suite.

    Regardless of its zero-cost to the manufacturer, any PC maker could easily include an 'installation fee' to add a small - but significant - margin to the MSRP of their product. FWIW, a PC manufacturer who installed OO and charged a small fee (which would still be much less expensive than office suites by Corel, MS, etc) could theoretically make better margins on the open-source office than their proprietary counterparts. They would also be able to offer an even more cost-effective PC solution for their clientele. I can see Dell jumping on this in a heartbeat.

    Plus, if the PC maker is really savvy, they could also sell support contracts for OO, thus increasing their revenue even more.

  18. Open Office Strengths and Weaknesses. by alistair · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was interested to read this article as I thought I would have a quick browse of Slashdot while taking a break from writing a huge system design document, which for the first time I am attemption to do in Open Office on Linux rather than Microsoft office. My observations are as follows;

    The different components have different strengths. I rate Star / Open Office Writer very highly, it does allow you to structure documents well and it's support for tables is excellent, one of the few areas where it betters Microsoft office.

    The Excel replacement I don't think is nearly as mature. I generally use it to open other peoples Excel docuemnts on my Linux box and for this it works very well. However, when it comes to usability features for display, such as ease of splitting into panes, adding autosort or even easily hiding rows or columns it doesn't compare. All the advanced features, such as pivot tables, work much better in Excel.

    Presenter and Draw are a mixed bag. I find Presenter now opens most powerpoint documents well enough to read on LInux but authoring is a different story. I tried to use draw this morning to produce a simple flowchart and it simply wasn't very intuative, doing tasks which are simple in Powerpoint such as adding text inside a shape wern't easy. Powerpoint (and all of MS office, for that matter) is very good at presenting the correct context sensative menu options when you right click on something, Star Office has some way to go in this regard.

    However, my biggest problem with Star Office on Linux is font support. It simply dosen't seem to interface nicely with the other fonts installed on my Linux box, and reading all the documentation and newsgroups has helped, but it is still a chore. This is particularly apparent when converting Word or Powerpoint documents, quite frequently it will replace fairly common characters like full stops (periods) or quotes with a question mark, often making the supplied document unreadable. I find it strange that some very sophisticated conversion filters for graphics and embedded objects work well but these fail, if anyone could tell me if the book addresses these issues I would be interested to know. I have always found saving OO documents to Microsoft formats to work well.

    So, in summary I am going to use OO on Linux as my primary document editor, which just leaves Windows for the occasional Powerpoint, and this book seems like a useful purchase to help with this.

  19. Mod parent up +1, Insightful by siskbc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Look, modding that -1 Flamebait simply proves that we have too many damned Linux/OSS fanboys on here who are incapable of objectively looking at a problem. He's not flaming anyone, even if you happen to be an OO developer. Not liking that someone's right doesn't count as flamebait.

    Outside of the fact thats it's free, OO is nowhere near ready for use in a business setting. Anything more than a simple letter gets screwed up in the word processor, and the WP is the most advanced part of 00. If you have anything embedded in an MS document, you can almost say goodbye upon opening it. When you have a busines, you don't have the option of telling clients "Hey, could you resend that in Word 2.0 format, my word processor is incompatible with any version of Word put out in the last decade." That's just not an option. Hey, I hate MS as much as most of you, but I wouldn't shoot my business in the foot or lose my job over my zealotry, right or wrong.

    And don't even think about defending the spreadsheet. It might be OK for balancing your checkbook, but don't try graphing, as it's horrible. Also, even moderately advanced spreadsheet functions (that I use very often) are missing from MS Office. As for compatibility, graphs often lose their axes among other problems.

    The presentation software has similar problems - font issues (admittedly, much of the font problems were in Linux, so it's hard to isolate), images getting trahsed, other embedded stuff getting completely lost, etc.

    Bottom line is OpenOffice is NOT READY for a business setting. I tried like hell, I really did. It's klunky, it's bloated, slow as hell, and the UI is an absolute joke, and how sad is that considering their competition in the matter is frigging MICROSOFT!

    There are other options if your goal is running an office suite under linux (obviously these don't help you if you're trying to avoid MS): codeweavers crossover is a little buggy, but if they've made it more stable since I gave up on it, well, it's better than OO and has no compatibility problems. I would suggest VMware - you'll need a lot of RAM to run it well, but that's cheap, and it's pretty much rock-solid.

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    1. Re:Mod parent up +1, Insightful by fkittred · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hi;

      I offer myself as a contradicting example. Daily I use OpenOffice in a business setting. I am CEO of a successful 100 employee company. On a daily basis I use Writer, the Presentation Manager and Calc. The only problem I have had is font differences between platforms: I use OO on FreeBSD on a Thinkpad and most of my employees use Microsoft Office on Dells. Some times when they prepare parts of a presentation and send them to me for integration, I find the differences in fonts create minor problems. I was thinking of asking them all to switch to OpenOffice, but there was some resistance.

      I do admit to being a farmer in my off-hours. However, I wouldn't touch Linux if I could avoid it.... I also have already ordered a copy of Using StarOffice 6.0 in response to this review.

      thanks,
      fletcher kittredge

  20. Re:What by repetty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't it bad enough that most of MS Office's defects have been faithfully reproduced already? Must we expose innocent people to Access, too?

    What did they ever do to you to deserve that?

    --Richard

  21. exporting .Doc with OpenOffice by Jenova · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Has anyone tried exporting documents with bullet points to .doc yet?

    Viewing it under word, you would find that the bullet points are plain wrong, sometimes it has embedded numbers in the bullet points.

    This is one of those problems that makes it a no-no while exchanging documents with your customers(who use MS Office).

  22. In stores now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Special Edition Learn to Teach Yourself to Be a Dumb Idiot in 21 Days, The Definitive Guide

  23. 1.1 Beta + SDK is Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recently provided a service to my clients using the 1.1 OpenOffice Beta and the SDK. They have a custom php/mysql document management system, and I automatically index all doc,xls,ppt, and pdf files for them. This way, they can search through the contents of their "attachments" quite easily.

    The way it works is that OpenOffice can run as a server and listen on a port. There are many examples of document conversion given in the SDK, so that you can essentially use OpenOffice as a Web Services platform. When the document is added into their document management system, I run an external process that converts the documents to pdf, then to text, and then imports them into the MySQL database.

    It's pretty darn sweet! The conversion works incredibly well for the purposes of getting the text content out of the various formats.

    As a side note, I've been using it for my personal use for quite a while. The filters are absolutely outstanding for working with and using Microsoft file formats. I have incredibly complex documents, and it opens them quite well. The PDF conversion is excellent and is really nice to have. Check out the 1.1 Beta, as it's been really stable in my experience.

  24. OpenOffice Failed in a Real World Corporate Trial by Yo+Grark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had been tasked with trying out OpenOffice and to invisibly infect(introduce) other users to it.

    Here's what I found.

    OO Spreadsheets often because corrupted being opened on Excel (VERY BIG DEAL), Autofilter's werent' up to speed on real world datacrunching, Speed SUCKED on every day tasks (launching saving and just general workability since the average user opens Word or Excel at least 10 times a day), and Our Sales Quotes to customers which needed to look their best, looked like shit when opened by their versions of Word (verified by nice pics sent back to us)

    Yes I stress tested and used things which probably have no right being in OO, but I've been searching for a true MS co-Alternative, not a Office Suite Replacement based on "propriatery Open source" (as seen by MS-centric users) ;)

    In summary, OO is great and ready for the casual user, but no where near ready to be interchangable in the corporate office with MSoffice.

    Yo Grark
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  25. Re:I wish OO.o was skinable by soullessbastard · · Score: 5, Informative
    One of the OpenOffice.org goals is actually to maintain an identical appearance across all platforms. This isn't necessarily the community's goal...but rather Sun's. That said...

    If you're intrepid enough to compile the sucker (takes over a day) you'll find the icons are simply windows .bmp formatted files that you can replace with whatever you want. This results in the creation of an alternate set of .res files that you can then drop into any OOo distribution. This is the approach that Ximian uses to bundle a different icon set into their 'enhanced' OpenOffice.org included with Ximian Desktop.

    It is also possible to use completely alternative widget sets with OOo, as illustrated by the NeoOffice port using Cocoa widgets and Carbon-rendered widgets (screenshots of Neo vs. Office v.X). This approach, however, is still only available to GPL versions of OOo.

    If you've got better ideas as to how to achieve cross-platform compatibility and skinning while maintaining the identical look and feel requirement Sun has, stop by the Graphics System Layer project and lend a hand!

    And if you're an intrepid graphics designer (who knows a few other intrepid graphics designers...) and would like to make an alternative icon set for the approximately 1000 icons, please pipe up and help us out! Parts of our icon set are the direct result of the truism that programmers are definitely not graphics artists, and others are relics from when Star Division was busy mimicing Win95/Office97. Our community development can only provide the features the community wants if folks volunteer, else OpenOffice.org will continue to gain only the features Sun believes are needed for selling StarOffice, not necessarily those wanted by the user base of its free cousin.