Mwongozi was one of many readers to note that "the NY Times is reporting Justin's resignation from Nullsoft, and more details can be found in his weblog. One has to wonder whether this has anything to do with the WASTE fiasco."
justin's blog ... probably gonna be slashdotted
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Anonymous Coward
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June 2 2003 @ 10:03pm For me, coding is a form of self-expression.
It's probably the form I'm most effective at.
Everything I code is arguably owned by the company.
The company controls what I do with my code [in the past, it seemed I had freedom, but it turns out all of that was not really the case--rather, I was somehow avoiding the control illicitly (for 4 years)]
The company controls the most effective means of self-expression I have.
This is unacceptable to me as an individual, therefore I must leav.
I don't know when it will be, but I'm not going to last much longer.
I have nothing but respect for the company--I've just come to realize that it is time to do something different.
May 31 2003 @ 3:00pm or so Moving my.plan here. Finger has been firewalled on genghis for weeks since the (lame) network rebuild, so it's hosed.
The last few days have been, erm, interesting, it will be, erm, interesting to see how they end up panning out. But I'm feeling pretty good, though like usual feeling misunderstood. I'll try to clear it up next week.
At Ian's suggestion been listening to Slint a bit. Good shit. So funny that one of the guys from Slint is now in Zwan, and Zwan sucks so hard. Well, they rule as musicians, but their songs suck. I don't want to listen to christian rock.
Winamp 2.92 will have CD ripping support, with support for OGG. OGG VBR at 0.0 sounds pretty decent, listenable, at like 60kbps. I'm pretty impressed with it.
Yesterday driving home I listened to Lamb - Zero a couple times. Such a good song. So simple. Mmmm.
Re:Long Decline Anyway
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kavachameleon
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WIMP=WMP=Windows Media Player. Kind of a derogatory term for it.:-) Hit up MS's site for more info if you need it.
He hasn't resigned...
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johnhennessy
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Read the article. It says that he can't stick the current situation much longer, but at no point does he say that he has resigned.
-- [ Monday is a terrible way to spend one seventh of your life. ]
Looks like WASTE is..
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EinarH
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still available for download, including source, over at deviantart.com...
Strange they haven't pulled it off the web.
Disclaimer:
This post is of course provided as "AS IS". And I do NOT encourage any copyright enfringement.
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Melius mori in libertate quam vivere in servitute.
Re:One doesn't have to wonder...
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Anti+Frozt
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IIRC, at the time that WASTE was developed, Nullsoft was owned by AOL/Time Warner. This would mean that anything created by employees of Nullsoft had to be cleared with AOL.
Therefore, it couldn't be produced under the GPL unless AOL said so. Most employment contracts specifically state that any thing or idea created, conceived, developed, etc. while employeed becomes property of the employeer (in this case, AOL/Time Warner)
-- In C++, friends can touch each others private parts.
The previous entry in his blog is even more interesting:
Winamp 2.92 will have CD ripping support, with support for OGG. OGG VBR at
0.0 sounds pretty decent, listenable, at like 60kbps. I'm pretty impressed
with it.
'bout damn time. Hopefully his leaving won't change Nullsoft's plans to provide real OGG support. I still can't get it to pick up very low bitrate HTTP Vorbis streams via a straight.m3u ala XMMS.
WinAmp 2.92? I'm using WinAmp 3.0c -- am I in the future or something?
No, WinAmp 2.92 is newer than the current Winamp 3 release. Winamp 3 was more of an experiment that pretty much failed and they are scrapping it for the most part. They are taking some of the Winamp 3 features and adding them to 2. This new version is tentatively going to be called Winamp 5 (2 + 3), and to be released end of summer 2003. This is what I read on the message boards a while ago, their plans may have changed.
I'm kinda pissed that Winamp 3 for Linux pretty much disappeared. The alpha version, though really buggy, sounded much better than XMMS. Hopefully they will release a Linux player some time in the future, but I don't see it happening.
-- #!/
/. Mishap again
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MmmmJoel
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Justin has not resigned as/. has prematurely concluded. The NY Times article only says he plans to, which we could all come to the same conclusion by reading the blog. There is no additional information in the NY Times article and both parties have declined to comment. There is no indication that the NY Times had access to anything further than what we already knew.
Yes, it is probably inevitable, but this writeup is wrong as so many others have because some/. rogue reads something, draws a different conclusion, and the/. editors don't pick up on it.
Justin Frankel
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Trent+Polack
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Well, you gotta give the guy some credit. I went through Nullsoft's site the other day, and there are just a whole lot of cool little programs that Nullsoft put out. Among them all, Winamp and the Nullsoft installer system are probably my favorite.
I give it up to Justin for being a good guy, and giving a lot of cool little utilities to the programming community.
Re:"everything i code is owned by the company"
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Rary
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Generally, these contracts go much further than that. It is the case, for example, with my own contract that any code I write on my own time, using my own equipment, for my own use, based entirely on my own ideas, belongs to the company I work for.
If I have a spark of creativity one Saturday afternoon whilst drinking a beer on my deck, and it's such a good idea that I think I can quit my job and start a company based on the idea, I will have to get my employer's permission to use that idea, or else cut them in on the profits, because the idea, legally, belongs to them.
I'm pretty sure that applies to our friend Justin as well. Welcome to the world of Corporate Domination of our Very Existence.
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"You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." -- Albert Einstein
Re:Anything to do with Waste...
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Gloume
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Like Nullsoft?
Re:Long Decline Anyway
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pacc
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Apart from skins in winamp 2.0 you should know that AOL has put it's mark on that too.
Since winamp 2.61 there are some support for "content management" for microsoft.wma files. You should install winamp 2.60 copy the plugins/in_wm.dll file to replace the one shipped with winamp 2.91, otherwise you won't be able to convert your.wma files to wav using diskwriter.
Re:queue the llama noises
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LloydSeve
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Justin Frankel's Website
Here he talks about his wanting to resign from the company due to recent cencorship against his products..
It's not about contracts, etc.. it's just about the fact that he isn't allowed to express himself freely doing what he loves.
Here is some more comments about his leaving...
losing millions?
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peter303
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The purchase of a company usually has a retention clause saying you dont get all your money until you have worked X years. X ranges from one to five years. The purpose is (1) the company's assets are often its creative people and (2) to train successors. It is unclear if he is losing some of the purchase money due to his independent streak.
The pruchase was in stock currency, so its value declined with AOL Time Warner stock price. Could have been worse considering other dot.coms.
Re:One doesn't have to wonder...
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gmhowell
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The fact that neither of these terms have shown up in the discussion thus far indicate how little business training most slashbots have. See, sometimes, there's value to an MBA. If nothing else, we're more conversent with lawyer-ese than most programmers.
(And in case you were wondering what all this means, basically, anyone who downloaded the software might have it free and clear. AOL, via Nullsoft, via authority of Justin, may have to abide by the original terms, GPL.)
-- Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
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June 2 2003 @ 10:03pm
.plan here. Finger has been firewalled on genghis for weeks since
For me, coding is a form of self-expression.
It's probably the form I'm most effective at.
Everything I code is arguably owned by the company.
The company controls what I do with my code [in the past, it seemed I had
freedom, but it turns out all of that was not really the case--rather, I
was somehow avoiding the control illicitly (for 4 years)]
The company controls the most effective means of self-expression I have.
This is unacceptable to me as an individual, therefore I must leav.
I don't know when it will be, but I'm not going to last much longer.
I have nothing but respect for the company--I've just come to realize that
it is time to do something different.
May 31 2003 @ 3:00pm or so
Moving my
the (lame) network rebuild, so it's hosed.
The last few days have been, erm, interesting, it will be, erm, interesting
to see how they end up panning out. But I'm feeling pretty good, though like
usual feeling misunderstood. I'll try to clear it up next week.
At Ian's suggestion been listening to Slint a bit. Good shit. So funny that
one of the guys from Slint is now in Zwan, and Zwan sucks so hard. Well, they
rule as musicians, but their songs suck. I don't want to listen to
christian rock.
Winamp 2.92 will have CD ripping support, with support for OGG. OGG VBR at
0.0 sounds pretty decent, listenable, at like 60kbps. I'm pretty impressed
with it.
Yesterday driving home I listened to Lamb - Zero a couple times. Such a good
song. So simple. Mmmm.
WIMP=WMP=Windows Media Player. Kind of a derogatory term for it. :-) Hit up MS's site for more info if you need it.
Read the article. It says that he can't stick the current situation much longer, but at no point does he say that he has resigned.
[ Monday is a terrible way to spend one seventh of your life. ]
Strange they haven't pulled it off the web.
Disclaimer:
This post is of course provided as "AS IS". And I do NOT encourage any copyright enfringement.
Melius mori in libertate quam vivere in servitute.
IIRC, at the time that WASTE was developed, Nullsoft was owned by AOL/Time Warner. This would mean that anything created by employees of Nullsoft had to be cleared with AOL.
Therefore, it couldn't be produced under the GPL unless AOL said so. Most employment contracts specifically state that any thing or idea created, conceived, developed, etc. while employeed becomes property of the employeer (in this case, AOL/Time Warner)
In C++, friends can touch each others private parts.
'bout damn time. Hopefully his leaving won't change Nullsoft's plans to provide real OGG support. I still can't get it to pick up very low bitrate HTTP Vorbis streams via a straight .m3u ala XMMS.
hang brain.
Justin has not resigned as /. has prematurely concluded. The NY Times article only says he plans to, which we could all come to the same conclusion by reading the blog. There is no additional information in the NY Times article and both parties have declined to comment. There is no indication that the NY Times had access to anything further than what we already knew.
/. rogue reads something, draws a different conclusion, and the /. editors don't pick up on it.
Yes, it is probably inevitable, but this writeup is wrong as so many others have because some
Well, you gotta give the guy some credit. I went through Nullsoft's site the other day, and there are just a whole lot of cool little programs that Nullsoft put out. Among them all, Winamp and the Nullsoft installer system are probably my favorite.
I give it up to Justin for being a good guy, and giving a lot of cool little utilities to the programming community.
Trent Polack
www.polycat.net
If I have a spark of creativity one Saturday afternoon whilst drinking a beer on my deck, and it's such a good idea that I think I can quit my job and start a company based on the idea, I will have to get my employer's permission to use that idea, or else cut them in on the profits, because the idea, legally, belongs to them.
I'm pretty sure that applies to our friend Justin as well. Welcome to the world of Corporate Domination of our Very Existence.
"You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." -- Albert Einstein
Like Nullsoft?
Apart from skins in winamp 2.0 you should know that AOL has put it's mark on that too.
.wma files. .wma files to wav using diskwriter.
Since winamp 2.61 there are some support for "content management" for microsoft
You should install winamp 2.60 copy the plugins/in_wm.dll file to replace the one shipped with winamp 2.91, otherwise you won't be able to convert your
Tip courtesy of apachez
Justin Frankel's Website Here he talks about his wanting to resign from the company due to recent cencorship against his products.. It's not about contracts, etc.. it's just about the fact that he isn't allowed to express himself freely doing what he loves. Here is some more comments about his leaving...
The purchase of a company usually has a retention clause saying you dont get all your money until you have worked X years. X ranges from one to five years. The purpose is (1) the company's assets are often its creative people and (2) to train successors. It is unclear if he is losing some of the purchase money due to his independent streak.
The pruchase was in stock currency, so its value declined with AOL Time Warner stock price. Could have been worse considering other dot.coms.
Let me add a bit to your lexicon:
apparent authority
ostensible authority
The fact that neither of these terms have shown up in the discussion thus far indicate how little business training most slashbots have. See, sometimes, there's value to an MBA. If nothing else, we're more conversent with lawyer-ese than most programmers.
(And in case you were wondering what all this means, basically, anyone who downloaded the software might have it free and clear. AOL, via Nullsoft, via authority of Justin, may have to abide by the original terms, GPL.)
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon