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Crime Prediction

pipingguy writes "More than a decade of extensive crime data collection matched with new technology may soon allow police to predict to a surprising degree of accuracy the number and type of crimes that will occur in a given neighborhood one month in advance."

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  1. I liked this better by recursiv · · Score: 4, Funny

    When it was called Minority Report

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    1. Re:I liked this better by Kyoya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm more afraid this will lead to another push to get profiling legitimized. Not even racially but by where you live within your city.

      Imagine handing a cop your license and having them come back to the car asking to search your car because you live in an area with a high drug problem rating. After finding nothing the officer would thank you and if suspicious enough may follow you for a little while 'just in case'.

      Granted the ability to stop some crimes before they happen would be of incredible benifit to society as whole. The potential for abuse is there as well though.

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    2. Re:I liked this better by ichimunki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They aren't going to be able to stop crimes before they happen, because that's impossible (unless you count mitigating the factors that cause crime, like poverty or mental illness). If you stop it before it happens, then it hasn't happened.

      The only concern I have about this is that it will heighten the notions of where to send police in the first place. In Minneapolis we have a system called CODEFOR that is used to help police track crime and prioritize resources, but it's based (I believe) on reported crime. That's quite different than using statistical measures like arrest rates to project crime rates and send police into an area based on that. One has to be very careful, since using the results of this to direct limited police resources could influence the numbers that go into the model in the first place (feedback looping).

      Luckily, the people the article talks about were using a wide variety of inputs (not just police or crime-related) to what are likely a host of regression analyses.

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    3. Re:I liked this better by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is not so much profiling as it is stopping short of full intelligent analysis of the profiling data.

      Coming to the conclusion that "black skin causes criminals" is as short sighted as coming to the conclusion that "nicotine stains between the fingers causes lung cancer".

      There are deeper root causes that people don't want to examine because it could upset their convenient view of the world and/or cost them time and money to solve properly.

      Unfortunately, it's politically convenient to sit patly on the shallow analysis and to offer similarly shallow solutions, like the heavy-handed approach you mention.

      It's the solution of bureaucracy: since 1% of the people do wrong, we'll impose an onerous burden on ten times as many people, and probably only be 30% successfully in stopping the 1% bad element.

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    4. Re:I liked this better by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Granted the ability to stop some crimes before they happen would be of incredible benefit to society as whole.

      It's like doing unto others before they do unto you. Soon, even attempted attempted murder will become a crime.

      Then, since a neighborhood is considered a high crime area, the whole neighborhood will be placed under neighborhood arrest. The imprisoned area will become larger and larger until you'll need the assistance of one Snake Plissken to get out.

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  2. And yet will stop none. by BoomerSooner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Worthless if it doesn't help stop any.

    You've got to look at the cause not the effect to make a change. Minority Report just won't work. Normally you can guess these stats based on the demographics of the area as well.

    Live in the country? Then you're more likely to get broken into.
    Live in Compton? You're more likely to get shot in a drive-by.
    Live next to Barbara Streisand? You're more likely to get sued.

    The list goes on...

  3. How much? by Poofat · · Score: 2, Funny

    How much did it cost them to predict that crime would happen in drug-infested poor neighborhoods?

    Sure, the study showed a little more than that, but you have to question the usefulness.

  4. Precrime department by orangesquid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mr. Smith, you will commit a murder tomorrow morning at 2:34 PM. You will murder your wife. We are taking you into our custody now.

    But what about...
    Mr. Smith, you will break free from our custody tomorrow and attack a security guard in the process. Thus, we are taking you into our custody now.

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  5. computer predicts heinous crimes w/100% certainty: by presearch · · Score: 4, Funny


    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
    Washington, DC 20500

  6. Not minority report by moc.tfosorcimgllib · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before everyone goes on a rant about how this is Minority Report or how it's useless to suggest crime happens in poor neighborhoods (duh!) remember what this tool will most likely be used for: placing officers where they will do the most good.
    It isn't a presumption of guilt, or arrest before a crime is attempted (minority report). This will be used to determine how many beat officers are needed to reduce crime in an area and if they are in fact reducing the amount of crime.


    Of course you can use statistics to prove anything, 75% of everyone knows that.

    1. Re:Not minority report by clonebarkins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, most likely what will happen is they'll get data supporting the idea that neighborhoods consisting primarily of minorities have higher violent crime rates than other neighborhoods. Then they'll be accused of racial profiling. Bad cops (and unfortunately, probably some good cops, few though they may be) will have their lives ruined.

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    2. Re:Not minority report by clonebarkins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is, however, that geographic (and economic) profiling usually does correlate to racial profiling. Minorities are generally poorer and live in more economically depressed areas. Yes, Snoop-Dog lives in a nice house in a good (economically stimulated) neighborhood; and yes some white people live in bad (economically retarded) neighborhoods. But these are exceptions.

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    3. Re:Not minority report by orangesquid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may help profiling a bit, though, because it will take focus off of the idea that "blacks and hispanic are more criminal" and instead point to "inner city areas are more criminal" which is ultimately more fair. I think it is much better to say "people from this area tend to do this or this" rather than "people of this ethnicity tend to do this or this." Of course, racists everywhere will surely find relationships between these crime statistics and the distribution of ethnicity and forget that correlation and causation are two different things and that life is a very complex system that is poorly described by simple ideas and simple answers.

      Plus, this will help officers know what *kinds* of crimes to be looking out for.

      But.. just rambling, as always.

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  7. Has anybody read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? by J-Piddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this sound to anyone else like the beginning of psychohistory?

    It's a neat idea, but it seems like the complex and chaotic nature of the neighborhood would preclude anyone from being able to draw any substantive conclusion. I mean, if we can't get the weather right within 80% more than 12 hours in advance, we should we be able to predict the behavior of humans, even in large groups?

    1. Re:Has anybody read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Funny

      Has anybody read Asimov's Foundation trilogy?

      I thought I felt a breeze. It must have the collective wind from 500,000 slashdotters raising their hands at the same time.

  8. Top Three, make that four by Anonymous+Cowdog · · Score: 2, Funny

    Easy. The top four, at least:

    1. Speeding
    2. Rolling stops
    3. Sodomy
    4. Jaywalking

    They're going to have to apply some scoring other than frequency to make this useful.

  9. Potential for abuse by AEton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, if I want to stage a robbery, now I should find out where the least likely spots are for said robbery, demographically (do they have to publicize the specific information they gather? Civil liberties advocates would probably push it)--and then commit crime where they expect it least. Such a system, if acted upon in the manner suggested, would allow an informed criminal (or gang of criminals!) to act with even less resistance than before. That's the major flaw with demographic information, of course; it only gives averages and likely outcomes. But "they" (local police forces who use this information) will have to be careful in how they use it, because an overreliance on statistics means that the outlier criminal could take away someone's life or property with little chance of being caught.

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  10. Quite right! by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And just think, as criminals get more sophisticated, the models will begin to fail, and it's back to "zone coverage".

    I can imagine this getting into macrocycles as demand pushes more technology, which is then picked up on and counteracted by criminals "in the know".

    Right now, we're lucky that most criminals are not uber-hackers who can break into police databases to get datasets to run through the models they leeched off University FTP sites.

    But that's not to say that it couldn't be done by a third part. Contractors who can't find work might start looking for a quick buck...

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  11. And it is 100% accurate by n9hmg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't that right, Mr. Anderton?

  12. Heisenburglary by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Heisenburglary"

    Does that mean if you are observing the crime, then you are committing it yourself?

    That word you coined does sound like something involving a McDonald's mascot.

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  13. I can predict crime too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I predict that in the next few moments, an incident of copyright infringement will occur.

    *waits*

    *click*

    *clickyclick*

    Looks like I was right.

    I also predict that a few marijuana-related laws will be broken this evening.

    Damn, I'm GOOD!

  14. Chaos by f97tosc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    we can't get the weather right within 80% more than 12 hours in advance

    This is true, because as you point out weather is a chaotic system. But nevertheless, we can predict certain global outcomes like the annual rainfall in Sweden or the average summer temperature in LA with quite good accuracy.

    Similarly, we will probably never be able get the number of crimes within the next 12 hours right within 80%. But the number of crimes within the next month is another matter.

    And this can be quite useful in considering different social policies or sending patrol cars to the right places.

    Tor

  15. Prediction... by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Preliminary data reveals that carjackings correlate to the number of copies of GTA that have been sold in the immediate area. From now on, your license will automatically be suspended when you buy GTA.

    Officials are also considering legislation to classify "The Sims" as an addictive substance.

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  16. Re:Human behavior more predictable than weather? by tqft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know about that.

    Lots of variables in weather.

    Humans - fear, greed, envy and lust about sums it up

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  17. full analysis? by js7a · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The problem [includes] stopping short of full intelligent analysis of the profiling data.

    True. Here in the U.S., the government doesn't publish jurisdictional correlations between crime victimization rates and economic numbers like residential and commercial real estate values, and total household employment (nonfarm and farm, payroll and self-employment.) Between those three values, there are three correlations, and six possible arrows of causation. Some of the data are recorded by census tract, and some are recorded by precinct. It should be easy to convert such measures to counties, but it is not always easy.

    However, it seems that many officials do have an intuitive sense that when the crime rate goes up, property values go down, and when jobs are created, then property values go up and crime goes down. Therefore, creating jobs with education is nearly universally superior to creating jobs with war (e.g., "security" jobs != job security.) There are a lot of officials who still don't understand that, many of whom are corrupt, but most of whom are simply ignorant.

    There are deeper root causes that people don't want to examine because it could upset their convenient view of the world and/or cost them time and money to solve properly.

    It would help if they would stop using the "unemployment rate" when they would be better off with the "job creation rate." Nobody knows what the optimal unemployment rate is, but everyone wants the number of employed people to increase, primarily because that's the only way we can pay for all the unemployable people.

    It would also help if they would stop using "flat tax" when they mean "progressive taxation." Keeping the high tax brackets from allowing the middle class to shrink is perhaps the most important of all, since class warfare is so evil.

    Another thing that would help would be to stop laying off teachers. Anyone who wants a military much larger than they think it really should be, should really look again at the lines of causation.

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