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Lessig And RIAA Answer NewsHour Questions

Zeta writes "The answers are finally in! Stanford's Lawrence Lessig and the RIAA's Matt Oppenheim have responded to all the tough questions on copyrighted music, many from Slashdot readers, for the online part of the PBS NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. Take a look - some of the responses may surprise you." We ran the original call for questions a few weeks back.

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  1. Re:The RIAA guy is an idiot...Copy the good stuff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That sort of brings up issues about if an auto manufacterer could stay in buisness if everyone did that doesn't it?

  2. And it continues... by cethiesus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Record companies don't want to lock music up -- after all, why would people buy it if they could not listen to it in the way that they wanted?

    DOES THIS GUY LISTEN TO HIMSELF? If the RIAA wants us to listen to music the way we want, why don't they let us GIVE THEM MONEY for things like music downloads or at least some sort of "approved" form of media other than $25 CDs that we can listen to however and wherever we wish?

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  3. 'Amen'? by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Matt Oppenheim from the Recording Industry Association of America responds:

    AMEN!!

    Was he saying 'Amen' to the answer from the other person,

    That would be hard for me to explain because I don't know anyone serious who doubts that under current law, individuals engage in copyright infringement when they make large quantities of copyrighted material available for others to copy without the permission of the copyright owner. But I also don't think that's the issue with P2P technologies.
    P2P technologies can be used for totally legal purposes, even if they are also used for illegal purposes. Indeed, as they develop, the vast majority of uses of P2P technology will be legal. As the Supreme Court has rightly held, a technology is not illegal if it is capable of "substantial noninfringing uses." Every P2P technology that I have seen satisfies this test.

    Or the question,

    To Mr. Lessig: please explain how anyone can claim that distributing copies of copyrighted music to a total stranger without authorization of the artist or song owner is not copyright infringement? No one thinks that making a large number of Xerox copies of a book and handing them out on the street is legal, so why is P2P [peer-to-peer] different?

    ? ;)

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  4. Re:What's the Difference? by inKubus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course we all know they mean that we are stealing from a vapor of revenue they "could have" made if the person:

    A. hadn't copied the file
    B. still wanted it enough to pay $16

    I don't have a problem paying for music, but the RIAA is making a big mistake if they think they can legislate out of existence economic law.

    Supply vs. Demand. They should view P2P as COMPETITION, not as theft. Then, they would realize what it is: An inferior method of getting inferior versions of a product for a low low low price.

    Back to the sharing!=copying!=stealing, I think that the original intent of copyright was to safeguard initial profits of a trademark or intellectual property, but then eventually safeguard the data so everyone can be enriched by it. I mean, that's what humanity is about--sharing and loving stuff, right? When did money become more important than happiness?! The RIAA wants to control everything, and they are seeing their empire collapse from under them as new, open sources of information take over where they couldn't go. Information wants to be free.

    Anyway, maybe if the RIAA LOWERED THE PRICES ON THEIR MUSIC, more people would buy it. $16 isn't reasonable. That is 3 meals. Why do we as a society accept rockstars that make a lot of money anyway? They don't deserve it. They just waste it on clothes and drugs and cars. Personally, I am happy to support good and hardworking stars that come to my city on tours. But I will never buy a CD from the big5 again. Sigh, I digress.

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  5. Would you be able to sell your car? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With people walking up and driving away with perfect copies, suddenly your car has no value.

    If you are a car dealer, you're done for.

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    1. Re:Would you be able to sell your car? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why am I stealing from them by diminishing the value? Why aren't they stealing from me by increasing the value?

      The value of a product is supposed to be determined by supply and demand, not by demand alone.

    2. Re:Would you be able to sell your car? by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If you are a car dealer, you're done for.
      It would probably be better to say, "If you're a car designer, you're done for."

      Under such a scenario, the dealers would be screwed, but they wouldn't be wanted or desired or missed, either. But the designers, who put R & D effort into squeezing a few more HP or MPH out of that engine, would not only be screwed, but would be missed.

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  6. Re:The RIAA guy is an idiot... by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    like lessig said in the session

    The RIAA is the Recording Industry Association of America. It is not the Recording Industry and Artists Association of America. It says its concern is artists. That's true, in just the sense that a cattle rancher is concerned about its cattle.

    sums it up nicely

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  7. RIAA Wake-up Call: Change how you do business! by bethanie · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I know this is going to be a VERY unpopular opinion, but I definitely see the point that is being made by the RIAA. They are selling material that is copyrighted. That means that copying (and all permutations thereof) of that material is restricted. End of story.

    What I am reading in these reponses is a whole rash of rationalizations:
    • They screw the artists
    • They are evil corporations
    • They charge too much for CDs
    • The music sucks/everything sounds the same
    • And on and on and on...

    Let's face it: We like the music and we want to use the technology that enables us to copy and share it over the Internet for free. We want the product, but we don't want to pay.

    You can put forth all kinds of hypothetical situations where illegal and unethical intentions are not involved, but let's be grown-up enough to admit that getting something for nothing is 99% of what this is all about.

    You know what I think ought to be done about it? I think that the RIAA ought to start putting their product out there so cheaply that people won't object so vociferously to paying for it. If we could pay 5 or 10 or 25 cents for a copy of a song (I can already see pricing them on a sliding scale -- with the most popular stuff being priced highest, according to laws of supply and demand, kinda), I think that most of us would do that -- for a multitude of reasons:
    • For most of us, it's a paltry sum
    • It gives us MUCH greater choice when we get to pay for *just* the songs we want, rather than 1 or 2 good songs along with 10 tracks of filler crap
    • It helps support the artists that we like putting out the kind of music that we want
    • It's the honest thing to do (and I'm one of those people who believes that most of the time most of the people will do their best to do what's right, as long as you make it easy for them).

    So maybe I'm too naive about this stuff. But it seems pretty clear cut to me. Making copies of CDs for anything other than your own use is illegal. Does that mean that everyone who does it should go to jail? Probably not. I DO think it means that the RIAA had better wake up and realize that they have a MAJOR problem on their hands, and revolutionize the way they do business, if they want to stay in business.

    ....Bethanie....
  8. legal parrots by poptones · · Score: 5, Interesting
    That's it exactly. Even Jack Valente - ever notice how when anyone asks a question about ethics or hitorical precedent they avoid the issue entirely, simply saying "it's the law and this is our position?" Well duh - that's because you bought the fucking laws. Apparently they don't realize that, while they claim to be "trying to reach the young people" they don't realize that they basically sound exactly like any parent saying "you can't do that because I say so and I'm the parent." Yes, we all know how well that psychology works with people in every other walk of life. Very sharp cookies, these folks.

    It's not even a fun show anymore... they've become complete bores; the tribe has spoken by the millions: it's time for the men in the sharkskin suits to leave the island.

  9. The RIAA and the Survival of the Arts ??? by Onan+The+Librarian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mr. Oppenheim remarks: "If art of any form is going to survive and flourish in our culture, we need to support it and protect it."

    This is a cynical and ingenuous statement. Perhaps Matt believes that is the goal of his organization, but its aims appear now to have more to do with lining its executives' pockets than with the promotion of the arts. The music industry wants us to believe that without them there would be no more music, no more arts. What crap. People would still write, play, and even record & distribute music. People did plenty of that before there was a music industry. The only difference would be... no music industry ! Which of course means no more fat cats, no more industry control of popular culture, no more middlemen whose main purpose in all of this is to keep their jobs.

    And yes, Matt, some of us have considered that whole infrastructure from Sheryl Crow to the clerk at the local CD store and everyone in between. The Internet indeed threatens the existence of that infrastructure, and it is in the way of such things that your industry would rather fight than switch. I find it still ludicrous that iMusic and similar services are being touted so loudly, when the total amount spent on a CD's number of songs still comes to what you'd pay for a CD in the store. Yes, we get to choose the tunes, but we actually get less (no packaging, no Easter eggs, no value added) for the same money. Which means your industry can charge essentially the same amount of money for the product while eliminating the infrastructure you yourself want us to care so much about. Hmm...

    Here's a real idea, Matt: Why doesn't your industry get it together to place kiosks in my local CD store, kiosks that are basically high-speed connections to a content delivery service. These stands would let me select or even design the CD cover material, then I could download and burn the content to disc right then & there, I get the jewel case and all. Hey, if I spend enough maybe you guys could throw in a little extra value, kinda like all the bonus material you get from a DVD. You think a store with maybe twenty of those kiosks would do a bumpin' business ?

    So there's an idea, Matt. I haven't copyrighted or patented it yet, so I'll let you have it for free. Go ahead, share it with your friends. I'm releasing it on the Internet under the GPL anyway...

  10. Re:The RIAA guy is an idiot... by shaitand · · Score: 4, Interesting

    no he has a license to the CONTENT of the 8 track edition. It's the copyrighted material he has a license to, not the media on which it is recorded.

    And if you bought T2 on VHS, you should be entitled to reencode it and record it on DVD, you own a license which permits you to have one copy of that film, on any media. It does not have to be the same exact copy either, copyright law does NOT indicate this. If I lose my copy, I CAN legally aquire another copy. I CAN'T take a dvd from the video store because even though I own the rights to one copy (any physical copy, not just the physical copy purchased) I DON'T have the right to deprive them of one of the copies which they purchased for resale. There's a big difference there.