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Lockheed Martin to Build Nuclear Powered Spacecraft

LouisvilleDebugger writes "The BBC reports that Lockheed Martin have received a $6M contract to develop the nuclear powered JIMO, or Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter. (According to the NASA project site, the first probes would not launch before 2011 due to development lead time.) On arrival at Jupiter, the extra power allows the probe to orbit each of three of the Galilean moons (Ganymede, Callisto, and most challenging from a radiation exposure standpoint, Europa) in turn, presumably helping to establish the possibility of liquid water and hence, life within the Jovian system. JIMO is a sub-project of Project Prometheus, initiated by NASA this year for the purpose of demonstrating that nuclear powered and propelled spacecraft may be safely designed and tested."

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  1. safe? by Gorny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "JIMO is a sub-project of Project Prometheus, initiated by NASA this year for the purpose of demonstrating that nuclear powered and propelled spacecraft may be safely designed and tested."

    Do they really think that it can be completely safe? What if it crashes onto earth just after launch? Or it blows up in the air, so radioactive particles get spread all around?

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    1. Re:safe? by DarkSarin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Two things: they don't state COMPLETELY safe--nothing is that. What if your steering goes out tomorrow while your driving? What if your gas tank leaks and you blow up? What if...?

      Second, the chances of it blowing up in the air a la Challenger are slim. Granted it only takes once, but hey, there's no guarantee we'll all wake up tomorrow without some idiot gassing the planet.

      The fact is that there are myriad possibilities for disaster in any big project, and the only thing any one person can do is to try to prepare for eventualities. Don't shoot down a project like this simply because it's nuclear. We all hear that word and think of Cherynobl (spelling?), Hiroshima and similar incedents. But just because it is nuclear powered doesn't mean that it's going to end like K-19: Widowmaker.

      Think abou this: if we can do this it will forward research about our solar system by a long shot, which is something we must have if we ever hope to explore further out.

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    2. Re:safe? by Uber+Banker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, so you talk probabilities, but there is both payoff and tradeoff.

      Is (probability of disaster)*(impact of disaster)(benefit of using nuclear power in this case)

      It could well be, I can't say, or even predict from my standpoint. The risks may be high, but hell, we're far more likely to be computer simulations anyway, so go for it!

    3. Re:safe? by reallocate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What if your car blows up? What if an airplane falls out of the sky above your house? What if a train goes off the track and kills you while your walking alongside?

      The world is full of risk. The only way to avoid risk is to not be alive. Since we are alive, our role is to explore and learn and manage, not retreat to the cave in shame at our presence on the otherwise "pristine" earth.

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    4. Re:safe? by wulfhound · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In any case, building a nuclear containment vessel strong enough to withstand external fire followed by a terminal-velocity plunge in to the sea is quite possible. Also, the material in an unstarted (uranium) nuclear reactor is not all that radiotoxic. You wouldn't want to handle it for long periods without protective clothing, but it has nothing like the lethality of plutonium or nuclear waste. Once the reactor has been running a little while it becomes much more dangerous, but I guess they plan to start the main reactor from a much smaller (hot) neutron source once the thing is a safe distance from the Earth.

    5. Re:safe? by mesocyclone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is everyone so afraid of a little bit of radioactivity? Folks, especially slashdotters with the capability to read technical stuff and work with powers of ten, should just look at the issue a bit.

      Radioactive material is toxic. So is rocket exhaust. So are zillions of other things in our environment, including all sorts of natural stuff in our food and our air. There is nothing magic or mysterious about radioactivity toxicity.

      Your smoke detector contains a radioactive pellet. If you don't eat the thing, you are fine. Even if you do, you are probably okay (if a bit crazy). Dust contains radioactive materials. A large number of nuclear bombs have been exploded in the atmosphere, release lots of plutonium and other radioactive elements (the things are nowhere close to 100% efficient). We are still alive. Phosphorous products often have a raised level of radioactivity. If you are a camper with a Coleman lantern, the lantern mantles are radioactive. If you fly in an airplane or go to high altitudes (Denver, anyone), you are exposed to a lot of ionizing radiation (compared to sea level). Like getting a tan? You get it from ionizing radiation( UV rays).

      Unless you are a fool, you wouldn't eat a gram of cyanide. Likewise, I wouldn't recommend eating a gram of a space probe's nuclear reactor. But that isn't going to happen!

      Even if all the material were released into the environment (which is highly unlikely), the chances of harm to any one person are extremely low. You would experience far more danger driving to see the launch or just plugging in your computer!

      Since the reactor is not activated until it is well away from earth, at launch it contains only uranium. Uranium is all over the place. Here in the Phoenix, AZ area there are significant concentrations in the soil in many areas where people live. My geiger counter gets 26 counts per minute in my driveway, but only 16 counts if it is sitting on top of the engine block of my car in the driveway. Wow! My driveway is radioactive. I guess I am doomed!

      The uranium in a never fired nuclear reactor is no more dangerous than the uranium in soil - it is just more concentrated and has a different isotopic ratio (enriched reactor uranium is not more radioactive than unenriched - it just has a more U-235 (and less U-238). If it is dispersed in an explosion, it is no more dangerous than a dust storm here in this large metropolian area!

      Anti-nuclear activists, a totally innumerate and scientifically ignorant press, the irrational conflation of nuclear weapons and nuclear power, and the unwillingness of people to look seriously at the issue have created a nuclear phobia in much of the western world.

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    6. Re:safe? by Imperator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, NASA has launches probes powered by radioactive decay. There's a big difference between that and a rocket with an active nuclear reaction in its engine. What if the rocket blows up? What if it's cold and the O-ring on a control rod cracks, causing the reactor to overheat? What if the launch has to be aborted before the rocket has reached orbital velocities and the reactor has to fall to earth? I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's certainly not a proven system yet.

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  2. If they'd stop using the word nuclear... by loucura! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    maybe this thing would have a chance of getting off the ground. Unfortunately the enviroloonies, are so terrified of the word 'nuclear' that any project that has it attached will get protested into the ground...

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    1. Re:If they'd stop using the word nuclear... by 73939133 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately the enviroloonies, are so terrified of the word 'nuclear' that any project that has it attached will get protested into the ground...

      The Bush administration and conservatives are terrified of the word "nuclear" as well--when it applies to any device not under US control.

      The problem with nuclear power is not primarily the occasional accident, it's the deliberate use by nations and groups for war and terrorist acts. And, while it may not scare Americans to let the US military have access to fission and fusion devices in orbit, it should scare everybody else.

      The Iraq war has proven that the US is unwilling to take into account the wishes of the international community and that the US will decide unilaterally global policy. It doesn't even matter whether the US decision was right in this case--monarchs and dictators also often make good decisions. All of that may seem fine to Americans, but the rest of the world wonders what is so democratic about having 300 million Americans make decisions for 6 billion non-Americans.

    2. Re:If they'd stop using the word nuclear... by 73939133 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The sad thing about the fork in this story leading to crap like this is that people politicize scientific endeavors

      What's there to politicize? Science is power, and that makes it a key part of politics. Space exploration isn't some innocent, other-worldly endeavor, it's been part of the power game since day one. And putting fission and fusion reactors into space is definitely a political issue.

      All countries "are". They are not good. They are not evil. They are all unilateralist whenever they can afford to be.

      You are quite right. But the solution to that problem is not to roll over and let the US do whatever it damned well pleases, the solution to that problem is to make sure that the US can't afford to act unilaterally anymore either. Europe and Asia could achieve that by an arms race with the US, but it seems that US economic dependence on Europe and Asia provides a more powerful and peaceful lever by which to force the US to disarm and back down.

      Also, I always find it interesting that minority opinions can seem far more important because it tends to be the vocal minority that is best able to manipulate reality to appear correct. [...] Giant anti-war demonstrations, public opinion polls and the behavior of key powers seem to confirm this view, but the reality is actually much more complicated -- and very different. The majority of European governments support the United States on the Iraq issue.

      Yeah, you are right, I suppose: in US-style democracy, overwhelming public opinion doesn't matter, all that matters is how many tiny foreign governments the US can bully into giving verbal support to US policies. Sure, for your American sense of democracy, that may not matter. But to the rest of the world, "majority" and "minority" are defined in terms of people.

      They go on to say many countries in Europe, particularly less developed ones, need the US to move forward at a reasonable pace. Germany and France can afford to play politics. For others, it's about their next meal.

      Your arrogance and ignorance is astounding. You seem to really believe that the US is like some shining economic beacon to the rest of the world, preventing starvation in developing nations around the world. Get a clue. US foreign aid is laughable and self-serving. The US has huge foreign debts, an enormous trade imbalance, and a huge budget deficit. Without a stead stream of money (and know-how) coming into the US from Europe and Japan, the US economy would fall apart and the US military couldn't be financed. For both security and economic development, the US is insignificant to the nations of Eastern Europe. And for all their economic and social problems, Eastern Europeans aren't generally starving.

  3. Bad Timing by drdale · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is probably too soon after Columbia for them to start talking publicly about this kind of project---confidence in NASA isn't exactly at a high now. Nuclear power has already been used for satellites, and there have been some scary moments when these satellites have come back down. This probe, at least, would not be designed to come back to the Earth. But while IANARS (I am not a rocket scientist), it seems like launch vehicles still have a dismaying tendency to blow up with some regularity, and if NASA scatters radioactive isotopes all over the place then that could set space exploration back decades. Oh, and kill a lot of stuff.

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  4. Re:One more distaster waiting to happen... by Rassleholic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only is the space program a waste of money

    I suppose telecommunications sattelites are a waste of money too?

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  5. Re:Liquid water, and hence, life. by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Absolutely everywhere on Earth that there is liquid water, there is life. As long as there is liquid water, life can exist in virtually any environment, deriving power from oxygen, sunlight, sulfide, nitrate, whatever. Life can exist under extreme pressure conditions, hyper-saline conditions, even radioactive conditions.

    If we found liquid water on Europa and there was no life, an excellent research question would be, "why not? why is Earth special?". So either way, interesting results would be returned.

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  6. The only way to make space exploration practical by earthforce_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Space exploration via chemical propellants will never be economically viable in the large scale. We simply *must* research and develop much more powerful propulsion systems if we are ever to get off this planet in a big way. And yes, it is dangerous. There will be accidents, and loss of life. As long as this is not the result of negligance or outright stupidity, it is a necessary price we must pay as a species for this knowledge. Prometheus was a superb choice name for this project. Man is literally learning how to tame sunfire. There were countless accidents, mistakes and deaths before we learned how to make large scale passenger transportation by air practical. When the first first commercial jetliner (Dehaviland comet) with pressurized cabins was developed, they found out that the cyclic stresses from the pressure changes caused metal fatigue on the thin outer skin, causing the windows to eventually pop out in flight. Oops... But eventually we got it more or less right.

    The same is true with spacecraft. Rocket science IS hard. It will take a lot of trial and error effort before we really learn how to do it right. We are still barely past the equivalent of the Wright brothers era of space exploration.

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  7. On balance I say exploration is worth the risk. by nounderscores · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Greenpeace reports that between 1950 and 1993 there have been 380 nuclear weapons accidents, some involving the accidental "dirty bomb" incidents, such as the dispersion of nuclear materials over Palomares in southern Spain.

    Now according to the the National Human Radiobiology Tissue Repository who studied the Palomares incident as well as many other cases, a 78 year old person with elevated Pu in their bones will only have a 0.14285 probability of dying this year, whereas a normal american 78 year old will have an average probaility of dying this year of 0.12780.

    We're already dropping nuclear material all over ourselves, and for the most part, you aren't going to hear about it until it's declassified.

    Furthermore, have you been to Hiroshima and stood under the peace dome? Have you seen the children playing in the schools at Nagasaki?

    The oppertunites for using peaceful nuclear power to explore space far outweigh the risks. Those accidents haven't degraded my environmental quality. I'm sure that a deliberate attack on myself would, but even that will heal with time.

    We are talking about the power to reach out and travel the cosmos.

    the chinese ming Emperor Zhu Di built a massive navy which traded extensively in the pacific, reached africa and almost discovered america.

    When Emperor Zhu died, his sucessor was advised to lessen the tax burden of the navy, and burned all the ships. Result? Other more outward looking seafaring nations whipped them.

    If we don't have deep space capability, then we are dead meat when we come across those who do. Especially if they are ex-earth colonists who decide to return. No chance of benevolance through alien genetics there.

    1. Re:On balance I say exploration is worth the risk. by mesocyclone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From that same National Human Radiobiology Tissue Repository:

      The health effects from plutonium, americium, and uranium intakes by humans, as determined with USTUR data can be summarized in two words, virtually none. A study of the causes of death of USTUR organ donors has been completed. The study showed that the vast majority of USTUR donors died from the same diseases that have caused the deaths of most of the U. S. population, heart disease, strokes, and cancers not necessarily associated with radiation exposure. This is in spite of the fact that the USTUR donors are a biased population in that a number of donors volunteered for the program after having been diagnosed with cancer. The average age at death of USTUR registrants is 63 years (range between 25 and 91 years). The average age of USTUR registrants who are still living is 73 years (range between 30 and 93 years).

      [bold emphasis added]

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  8. Re:Spacecraft shape - there's a reason for that by mpaque · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering both spacecraft were nuclear powered, the similarity is not too surprising. There's a nuclear power plant and some form of nuclear electric propulsion system at one end, a long boom, with heat radiators (the heat 'sink' for the power plant), and a bunch of stuff that we don't want close to a running reactor at the other end.

  9. Practicioners of "junk science" by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the anti-nuclear crowd have NO understanding of nuclear power, to say the least.

    Let's take a look at Chernobyl, the anti-nuke crowd's favorite example of nuclear hazards. There were two major things about that disaster: 1) there was NO containment structure to keep the radioactive particle release to a reasonable level if something did go wrong, and 2) the reactor's design was an inherently unsafe design to start with. That ill-advised test caused the fissile material to overheat, and when they tried to moderate it with graphite rods the result was a major explosion of radioactive materials into the air.

    The latest in nuclear reactor designs (the pebble-bed reactor) is vastly more safer than previous nuclear reactors, since by design it is nearly impossible to melt down the fissile material in the reactor itself. Also, unlike older reactor designs the pebble-bed reactor doesn't need massive cooling structures, which adds a lot to the cost of construction. Because of its inherent safety, that's why the Prometheus reactors for space use will be pebble-bed units, which don't need to be large-sized units like the old NERVA engines tested during the 1960's.

    And they certainly don't understand nuclear waste storage, either. Today, nuclear waste can be made much less dangerous by mixing the waste with glass (which right there cuts the radioactive output significantly) and then stored in disused salt mines and/or salt domes above spent oil fields. Given that salt is an excellent absorber of radiation, that cuts the radioactive risk even further. In many cases, the higher-level radioactive waste could be re-processed into new nuclear fuel or create nuclear materials for radiotherapy cancer treatments.

    New you know why I detest the anti-nuclear crowd in many ways. (getting off soapbox)