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Cable TV Ruins Bhutan

Christ-on-a-bike writes "This article in The Guardian discusses the negative impact of TV on the population of Bhutan. It has only been legal there for four years. Violence, crime and drug use are on the up. Was this inevitable, and what does it say about the influence of TV on Western cultures?" Our previous story about Bhutan talks about the radical impact of television, but without as much emphasis on the darker side.

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  1. Learining by example by pjwhite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People learn by example, and with so many bad examples to choose from on TV, it's not surprising that a previously "untouched" culture should be negatively affected.

    1. Re:Learining by example by NickFitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your definition of an "intelligent adult" is itself conditioned by the social context in which you were raised (which didn't seem to rate orthography very highly).

      I read this article in the print edition earlier today, and feel that your point is perfectly addressed by the words in the conclusion:

      But television is a portal, and in Bhutan it is systematically replacing one culture with another, skewing the notion of Gross National Happiness, persuading a nation of novice Buddhist consumers to become preoccupied with themselves, rather than searching for their self.

      Some may think it's naive of a nation to base its national goals on a "Gross National Happiness" metric; I think we could do a lot worse. Don't slag off the people of Bhutan until you appreciate what they had, and appear to be losing.

      But also bear in mind that this article isn't claiming that there is any definitive proof that the advent of TV is destroying Bhutan's society; it's raising a question which is being debated by the people of Bhutan, the question of whether or not TV is having an adverse effect on a land which has been one of the last bastions of civilisation without the thirst for mass communication.

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    2. Re:Learining by example by dubStylee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see what's so wrong about destroying a backwards feudal society

      And you probably don't even see the irony in your own statement. To me, a society that produces scum like you who think it's ok to destroy other societies because of how *you* define "backwards" has got to be the most backward society on earth.

  2. Culture Shock, not "evil" TV by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like culture shock. Here we have an isolated religiously traditional culture suddenly exposed to new ideas and different lifestyles and we don't expect some kind of shock?

    I don't think we're seeing negative elements suddenly overtake their society but the expression of human nature in a very dramatic way. The religious take on the "good life" simply folded for many of them and new avenues of expression opened up. This is the teething stage, soon they'll learn to live with information or, much less likely, crumble under the weight of it.

    Culture shock has happened countless times through history. Technological advances, influx of immigrantion, sudden changes in government leadership, etc all contribute to the destabilization of the status quo. Its far too easy to bash television here, its just the medium and whats more important is how the new messages interacts with old messages.

  3. Re:Oh, give me a break by Michael's+a+Jerk! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the quotes from My Other Post is

    If you came and found a strange man teaching your kids to punch each other, or trying to sell them all kinds of products, you'd kick him right out of your house, but here you are; you come in and the TV is on, and you don't think twice about it."--Jerome Singer

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  4. Re:Oh, give me a break by quasi_steller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you say that because it is true, or because you want it to be true?

    As much as you (or I) may not want to admit that people are effected by television, vidio games, etc, the evidence on the contrary needs to be considered. What if what we are is shaped in part by what happens around us? Should we ignore the possibility of any negative (or positive) affect that entertainment has? Maybe we should be more careful about what we are entertained by.

    Oh, and by the way, I do play some FPS games, but I am not going to claim that because I don't want those games to have an effect on me, that they don't. The possibility does exist.

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  5. Re:Oh, give me a break by rindeee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah. Really! Watching TV doen't affect your inclination to do what you see others doing while viewing. Sheesh...idtiots. That's why commercial air time is a mult-billion dollar a year industry.

  6. Four Years... by andrewski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is Cable the only thing that's happened in Bhutan in the last four years? Probably not. I would bet that the rises in crime, violence, and drug abuse have more to do with the fact that Bhutan is constantly shat upon by the west, economically at least.

  7. everybody == me by Kunta+Kinte · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. I watch wrestling, but that doesn't mean I solve my problems with violence.

    You are assuming everyone has the same frame-of-mind/state-of-mind/mental capacity/etc as you. There are people smarter than you, and there are people of less intelligence compared to you.

    I think this is a common incorrect assumption. Eg.

    • "I grew up in a tough neighborhood, and I came out ok, so everyone else should do it"
    • "The software interface is intuitive to me, should be for everyone else, right?"

    You do not represent everyone else, and you may not represent the common person in Bhutan either. Plus, society does have a responsibility, I believe, to make some attempt at protecting the impressionable ( eg. kids, mentally incompetant )from acts expressing moral standards that have been found by that society to be below what they think is appropriate.

    Step out of yourself for a minute, and understand that your moral standards, and way of life is not acceptable to everyone else.

    I bet you think that none of that tv you watch on television "affects" you, right? Most of us do, and I'd bet we're wrong.

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  8. Re:Oh, give me a break by phyrestang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And then again, many of us are not. Look at today's population. Do you spend any amount of time conversing with the "average" person? As a helpdesk tech I spend most of my day explaining assinine things such as "no the computer won't work in a power outage". I even found myself explaining what a power cord was and what it is used for. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who says we should change the amount of sex/violence/whatever on TV. Quite the opposite actually. The way I see it we have two problems: 1) Violent/sexual content on TV 2) People dumb enough to model their lives on said TV content Instead of altering the TV content to suit the idiots of the world, we should be working on reducing the amount of idiots present in todays society. PS: If this post made no sense whatsoever, please disregard it. In typical geek fashion I'm currently running on 2 hours sleep in the last 2 days.

  9. Random thoughts on Bhutan, TV, and Freedom by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A few random thoughts on the subject:

    1. Don't trust everything you read in a newspaper. Ever read an article on computers/Linux/etc. in a newspaper, and notice all the errors in it? Well, just about every article in a news paper is riddled with the same kind of errors, but since it's not in an area you have particular expertise in, you don't notice it.

    2. Especially don't take anything at face value that fits so neatly into the ideological orientation of the paper in question. In this case, The Guardian is well known for it's leftist slant, and things that slide smoothly into its ideological reality filter (Western Culture Bad! Cultural Imperialism Bad! Consumerism Bad!) should be especially suspect. (Likewise, a news source tends to be at it's most trustworthy when it publishes a story sharply at odds with its natural idiological inclinations, such as The Guardian recent story about how the Baghdad Museum looting story was a complete crock.

    3. Be especially suspicious of any story that was compiled by "fly in" reporters new to the scene. Especially when they don't speak the local language. I'm willing to bet good money that the two reporters named are not permanately assigned to Bhutan. There's just no way for us to know that Bhutan was really the idyllic, crime-free paradise the reporters claim it was before the advent of The One Eyed Idiot God. The reporters could be mistaken, could be lied to by people with their own agenda (be they politicians, police officers, religious officials, etc.), or could simply be taken the facts that only fit their story's arc. There are any number of ways in which this story could be spun to make things appear worse than they really are, any number of contributing causes that go unmentioned, etc.

    4. However, for the moment, let us suppose that everything this article suggests about TV ruining Bhutan are true. Some posters seem to suggest that letting TV be introduced was therefore a bad idea. Are you really willing to advocate freedom for yourself, but not for others? If so, it's an example of "compassion as contempt" writ large. It also suggests that the Bhutanese aren't worthy of even the freedom you enjoy. "Oh sure, I can be trusted with peer-to-peer file sharing, motor vehicles, and alcoholic beverages, but the Bhutanese can't be trusted with TV." Short of actually advocating violence against them, that's about the most racist, arrogent, paternalitsic, ethnocentric attitude possible. "We must save others from our culture." It's like saying that we have to remove liquor stores from around indian reservations and black inner city neighborhoods because they can't be trusted with the freedom to decide for themselves. It's to suggest that people with a different ethnicity or skin color will never be considered adults. "I am the Great White Father, and I have decided that you should be denied freedom for your own good." It's racist. It's insulting. And it's wrong.

    5. Freedom comes with costs. It means having to make up your own damn mind. It means making mistakes. Either the Bhutanese are a free people, or else they're exhibits at a little ethnic zoo, never to stray beyond the confines of What's Good For Them.


    I say let them make their mistakes, let them figure it out themselves, and let them enjoy the same measure of freedom every other nation in the world enjoys. (And hopefully a lot more than that enjoyed by North Korea, Cuba, Syria, etc.) Freedom has a price, but it's a price worth paying.
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  10. Re:Not to say television is all good, but.... by zutroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot put the right spin on it. Kinda.

    The Bhutanese government is now considering whether TV has a damaging effect on the people. It's still an open question. But you have to understand that TV has a much greater immediate impact on those people than we're accustomed to.

    Kids there have started emulating their favorite stars because they treat the TV stars like they treat anyone else. They don't necessarily understand that TV is a caricature of real life. We understand that now; we now have filters in place that tell us that TV isn't real.

    They also haven't gotten accustomed to advertisements. They assume that when a product makes people happy in an ad, it will make them happy, too. So they want more money to purchase that product. Maybe they don't have the means to get that product yet, so they steal. After all, isn't happiness the most important value?

    Some people here may assume that this is a good thing. They're becoming capitalistic, and may become productive in the global economy. But that's not the way that people have to be. Our culture just has the means to project that way of life onto others. That doesn't mean that we should.

  11. It's not only TV.. by Mesozoic44 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There are other economic forces at work here. People are moving into the larger towns from the countryside; there is more trade with the outside world; there is also more crime (mostly theft) because many of the religious artifacts and species which are endangered in other areas now have economic value.

    As the older (non-monetized) economy is disappearing there are many changes in people's roles and in the social hierarchy. Older political hierarchies are also changing as the King is moving the country (with much skill) toward democracy.

    It's not just TV.

    I wish them the best of luck; they are going to need it to keep their bearings in a more globalized world.

    It's not like they have a lot of choice though. At the end of WWII there were three Buddhist kingdoms: Tibet, Sikkim, and Bhutan. Tibet has been absorbed by China; Sikkim was absorbed by India. Bhutan is the last one. If they are going to stay independent they need friends; and to have friends means that they need to trade with the outside world. It's a very special place - I hope that they can keep most of their culture while remaining independent.

  12. Desensitizing Effects... by jhouserizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me share a true anecdote: In my first year of college, I took a âoewestern traditionsâ class in which we were one day having a lively debate about the affects of TV/movie violence on society. There were the typical extreme liberals speaking out about how it had absolutely no affects, etc. And there were the typical extreme conservatives with the opposite view.

    After a considerable amount of discussion, a young lady (19 or 20 year old) stood up and shared her personal experience on this topic. It turns out she grew up in the middle of no-where New Mexico (or somewhere - I forget exactly where) and there has no broad-cast television in the area, and her parents didnâ(TM)t get a satellite dish. So here whole life growing up, she had no exposure to TV or movies except 2 or 3 times when she was visiting her grandma or something like that. So she goes off to âoethe big cityâ for college, and gets a dorm-mate who watches TV a lot. The first evening in the room, she became entranced with what was happening in the show (some prime-time Cop show if I remember right) and sat and watched. She said that after only 10 minutes of viewing she felt âoeemotionally sickâ, and after about 30 minutes (after watching a few people get shot) she actually threw up! She then said that after living with her roommate for a few months, she only got slightly bothered by such scenes, and after a full year it didnâ(TM)t bother her at all.

    I think this (along with all of the studies, etc.) is direct proof that exposure to scenes of violence is âoedesensitizingâ. Does it mean that watching TV will eventually turn her into a killer? Of course not. But it does mean that her âoepsycheâ no longer panics at the sight of violence, and I donâ(TM)t think that it would be too big of a stretch to say that somewhere in the deep recesses of her mind there is a conditioning that thinks assigns less of a âoebadness levelâ than it once did to acts of insult others, curse at others, slapping others, etc..

    In the end, this same conditioning is happening to all of us. Luckily, most of us have a lot of counter-conditioning to keep our âoemoralsâ system on the side of still thinking treating someone badly is in fact bad. But letâ(TM)s face it, if we never saw someone strike out in anger, never heard anyone curse at someone else, wouldnâ(TM)t we really be less likely to do those things ourselves? Just like so many studies show that someone exposed to domestic violence as a kid is more likely to inflict it as an adult - our brains simply learn patterns of behaviors. Thatâ(TM)s why weâ(TM)re so good at becoming addicted to things.

  13. Bhutan's culture by bgspence · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I visited Bhutan two years ago. It is a simple Buddhist monastic society with very little contact with the outside world. Tourism is very limited, with only a few thousand visitors allowed into the country each year. Druk Air, the only airline into the country, had only one small airplane. The other had been in England for over a year in repair.

    The people are wonderful. Education is a top priority. It is a very peaceful society, but changing rapidly.

    The temples do not allow photography inside for fear of providing outsiders of pictorial inventories of the priceless artifacts inside. In the previous year a group of Bhutanese bandits from the east looted a temple, killing the monks who did not escape. This would have been an unimaginable event only a few years ago. Desire for wealth obtainable by selling religious artifacts is overtaking the traditional values of the culture.

    Opening a simple, stable, but closed society to western culture through the window of western media and commercial television is an unavoidable disaster. This simple Buddhist culture, with its sane attitude toward the human problem of desire, stands little chance of surviving the desire machine being unleashed there. Western media is the engine of materialism. I fear that western corporate monoculture will win over the minds of youth in a generation. An alternate form of human social existence will be lost.