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Europe To Force Right of Reply On Internet Communication

David Buck writes "Today, the Council of Europe (an influential quasi-governmental body that drafts conventions and treaties) is to finalize a proposal that would force all Internet news organizations, moderated mailing lists and even web logs (blogs) to allow a right of response to any person or organization they criticize. This would mean that you would be required to post the responses as well as authenticate their origin and make the responses available for some period of time. This will likely have a chilling effect on Internet communication (at least in Europe)."

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  1. Re:So much for freedom of speech by bmongar · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So much for freedom of speech

    You can still say what you want, you just have to allow the entity you are talking about a chance to reply. This has been 'good practice' in any real journalism for a while. You often see in news stories companyxxx was contacted but refused to reply or gave no comment or something.

    No freedom of speach issues here.

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  2. why a chilling effect? by jd142 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can still say anything I want. I can say slashdot sucks on my blog. All I have to do is give the slashdot editors a chance to put up a message on my blog that says "no we don't". I can still say anything I want. And since linking to a response is acceptable, I could even tell them, "Fine, I'll put a link up to your response."

    If you look at some of the web pages that make fun of a corporation and got in trouble, they put up the response and then make fun of it, so not much will actually change.

    If anything, this might make free speech *more* available, since anyone who says "wal-mart sucks" has a non-onerous way of placating wal-mart without having to take down the text that offended wal-mart.

    Recently, we saw Penny-Arcade forced to take down a Strawberry Shortcake parody. What if instead, all they had to do was put American Greetings' response to the parody. And then since they've complied with the law, they wouldn't have had to take the strip down. And what if they could use that compliance as an additional defense?

    1. Re:why a chilling effect? by MrFredBloggs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's chilling because it says that people have to take responsibilty for their actions. Some people don't like that.

    2. Re:why a chilling effect? by Reziac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact, this law strikes me as the opposite of free speech:

      The doctrine of free speech is that I can say pretty much whatever I want (minus stuff like libel, here ignored for brevity). However, free speech does NOT require that YOU *listen* to ME.

      What this law effectively does, is that in return for ME saying what I want to, it forces ME to listen to YOU, and furthermore makes sure everyone who listens to ME *also* listens to YOU.

      Since when does "free speech" mean that when I speak MY mind, I also have to speak YOUR mind? How is it fair that *I* am required to be *someone else's* mouthpiece?

      Further: Imagine if everyone who makes a negative comment about, say, the Church of Scientology, was forced to publish the megaton of CoS rebuttal that would surely follow. And an easy trick for preventing any future negative comments would be to simply make the rebuttal so large that it used up all your allowed webspace. (And imagine the bandwidth bills after CoS drones were then instructed to slashdot your site.)

      Imagine if rebuttal processes got into these giant communal blogs like Slashdot?!

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  3. Re:America seems really terrible... by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe, just maybe - Europe's onto a good thing, actually.

    Or the rule is intended simply to make life difficult enough to restore the operational ceiling of free speech to those with the means to publish information in conventional forms. Sort of like requiring a test before voting. On paper a good idea, but in practice a means of controlling participation.

  4. Forced speech denies freedom of speech by siskbc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You can still say what you want, you just have to allow the entity you are talking about a chance to reply. This has been 'good practice' in any real journalism for a while. You often see in news stories companyxxx was contacted but refused to reply or gave no comment or something.

    Forced speech is illegal in the US. Also, good practice in journalism isn't law - I think it's clear by now that good journalism isn't law in the US as the jails would be currently full. There has never been any obligation to say anything in the US - outside of heavily regulated media such as TV and radio, where the use of the spectrum is gained at a tradeoff. Courts here have already ruled that the internet doesn't come under such heavy consideration.

    So yes, anytime someone tells you what you have to say, there's a freedom of speech issue involved. What Europe is trying to do would be illegal in the US. The US has taken a lot of heat from the international community for what we've done, but here's a case where Europeans are the ones having their rights stolen by their governments.

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  5. Re:So much for freedom of speech by starcraftsicko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's nothing more than is required for other editorialised publications

    Editorialized publications are not required to publish responses, at least not in the USA, though most do some of that via letters to the editor and the like. Many only publish excerpts of such responses. In the USA, requiring that the press publish anything is constitutionally difficult.

    But whereas editorialized publications typically have a staff to manage such things, my blog only has me. I don't have time to read all of my hate mail, and I lack the inclination to post it for the world to see. If I blog about spammers in general, I certainly wouldn't appreciate having to post every piece of spam I recieve afterward.

    More to the point, since I don't advertise, I have to pay for the bandwidth out of pocket.

    Why should I have to pay to post your ill considered opinions in addition to my own?

    What this law does is raise the financial threshold (both in terms of time and money required, where time = money) a person must reach to be able to freely put their thoughts, experiences, etc., on the internet.

  6. Re:Newspapers too? by kris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In Germany, yes.

    For newspapers, for radio and televisision programmes as well. If you report on a person or company, that person or company has the right to insist on their POV being published in an appropriate form. This works fairly well, and has a very low to non-noticeable actual impact on the content or cost of newspapers or programmes.

    And I think it is a good idea to apply this to non-printed media as well. If you read the text carefully, you'll see that linking is okay. This more or less automatically solves the authentication problem, keeps editing for space out of the way and does generally the right thing network-wise.

    This is not bad at all. In fact, it forces a lot of people into a fair discussion with argument and counterargument, whereas there were only soapboxes and shouting before.

    Kristian

  7. Re:Newspapers too? by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, this is a good example of how different societies can choose to define rights and liberties in different ways.

    You can see where the Americans here are astonished at the prospect of laws "forcing " people into "a fair discussion", whereas Europeans would consider it an infringement of their rights to be denied a soapbox in any publication that mentions them.

    Obviously I'm comfortable with the values of my own society, but it's important for everyone to realize that there are different visions of rights, and that there are different paths you can take without becoming North Korea or Libya.