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SCO Terminates IBM's Unix License

AKAImBatman writes "SCO has terminated IBM's license to use Unix code. SCO is filing for an injunction that will require IBM to cease all sale of AIX as well as accrue damages for each day IBM continues to sell AIX."

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  1. Injunction Filed by idiotnot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whether the court will grant it or not is another matter entirely.

    If IBM believes the license is perpetural, and the injunction is granted, IBM will file a counter claim for breach of contract, probably for the same amount of daily damages.

    This means nothing. It's just more grandstanding.

  2. Poor way of phrasing it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The slashblurb has phrased this poorly. SCO did not terminate IBM's UNIX License. SCO stated that they had terminated IBM's UNIX License. There is a difference.

    I could issue a press release saying that i had used my magical powers to turn Bill Gates into a toad, but that would not automatically make it true.

  3. The fireworks will be spectacular... by gillbates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anybody else get the impression that Big Blue is going to give SCO a bloody nose over this whole thing? I mean, come on, SCO! It should be obvious by now that IBM isn't going to buy you - they're going to sue you into bankruptcy, and then buy the rights to your code from your liquidators at a dirt cheap price.

    Someone needs to give SCO a clue.

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  4. Re:SCO is hard to believe here by cperciva · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In order to do B), IBM would have to have a copy of what SCO thinks is the offending code...

    IBM *has* a copy of the offending code. IBM has had a copy of the System V source code for years now. Anyone with a copy of both Linux and System V can easily find which lines they have in common.

  5. Re:Insanity! by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, imagine for a second what would happen if they actually were to get their injunction requiring each and every copy of AIX to be collected and destroyed. The National Weather Service is using AIX for some of their weather modeling. What do they do, just cease operations for a few months while they port their software..... to WHAT? None of the other commercial UNIXen are safe, you can bet they aren't stupid enough to try porting to a rack of Dells running NT. So does the Weather Channel replace their feed with a slide saying "Out of Service pending resolution of SCO v IBM"? Follow the ripples down through the economy from all of the sites running AIX.

    Now imagine the horror as every entity with a "licensed, not sold" product starts frantically researching how many companies their vendor licenses various bits from and calculating the odds of one of them getting into a pissing fight. You either get Congress going into emergency session to pass a law protecting the end users from being pawns in this new form of corporate blackmail or the economy collapses.

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  6. Not filed for tempoary injunction!!! by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is interesting is that they have NOT filed for a temporary injunction.

    In most cases of alleged IP violations, the accuser will file for a temporary injunction, rather than waiting for the end of the trial after which an injunction may be granted.

    The real implication is that to get a temporary injunction, SCO would have to convince a judge that they had a likelyhood of prevailing at trial. In order to convince a judge of this, they would have to back up their allegations against IBM with real facts.

    Temporary injunctions could cause severe problems, so they are not issued on a whim. There must be real evidence and the defending side has the opportunity to refute that evidence.

    So the real impact of SCO's actions is to spread more FUD, and keep the time at which they must present any real evidence far off in the future.

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  7. Re:Another URL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although the terms may sound bizarre to any ordinary human, they apparently describe well-defined concepts in lawyer-speak.

    A "perpetual" contract means the parties do not need to renew their agreements.

    e.g., My lease to the apartment I live in expires in two years, so this lease is not perpetual.

    An "irrevocable" contract is one that one or more (usually, all) parties to the contract cannot back out of without due cause.

    Basically, the contract remains valid unless certain obligations specified in the contract are not fulfilled, or unless following the terms of the contract would require breaking the law, etc., etc.

    (Disclaimer: IANAL)

  8. Gotta wonder what's up by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I appreciate all the jokes about David vs. Goliath, with people cheering for Goliath, but I have to wonder why IBM hasn't taken the opportunity to annihilate SCO's case by now. Are the lawyers just waiting for this thing to reach a courtoom to unleash the legal nuclear weapons? Are they waiting to spring a nasty surprise on SCO, like proof that the code in question is really BSD, or even GPL? Do the charges really have merit, and the legal team is just buying time to figure out a way to extricate the company unscathed?

    Seriously, Big Blue's been strangely dormant on this. What gives? For one thing, the reputation of Linux--a codebase that IBM's banking a big chunk of money on--is at stake.

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    1. Re:Gotta wonder what's up by FatRatBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its a lawsuit. You bide your time, keep your head down, do your homework, and let everything that needs to come out come out in court.

      Frankly, that's why I have my doubts about SCO's claims: they're going WAY public WAY early. If they had a solid case they wouldn't have to say crap, they'd just file their lawsuit and followup as needsbe. As it stands right now their story keeps changing. Looking at my unofficial scorecard thusfar we have:

      * There may be some SCO IP in some userland apps
      * IBM violated a contract between SCO and IBM
      * IBM misappropriated code into Linux Kernel in a few places
      * IBM misappropriated code into Linux Kernel in a a lot of places
      * IBM misappropriated code into Linux Kernel in a few hundred thousand places ... and as of today

      * SCO owns anything associated with UNIX since they claim the orig. AT&T licenses says that AT&T (and now SCO) own everything that the Licensees add to their own version of Unix (JFS: Developed by IBM, owned by SCO; NUMA: Developed by SGI (AFAIK), owned by SCO, etc). Sontag even hinted that SCO somehow has some ownership rights to Windows (and that the recent MS/SCO licensing agreement doesn't cover it).

  9. Re:Insanity! More than the Weather Channel! by PeteQC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The big deal isn't that the Weather Channel is running AIX. Many banks are using AIX as their OS. Because AIX is known to be secure.

    So, SCO is doing something dangerous for their "case". Now, the David-against-Goliath case they think they've got is transforming in a David-against-GoliathS

    I don't understand what they're trying to do. Do they want to run out of business? Or do they are simply stupid?

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  10. Re:Another URL by dmehus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The end of SCO Group is very near, perhaps within a month. As soon as the judge denies their request for a permanent injunction against IBM, shareholders will know the case is over and will flock away from the company in droves -- sending the stock price plummeting. If you own SCO stock, sell now, while the price is overvalued.

    Best,
    Doug

  11. GNU Coding Standards by hak+hak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the GNU Coding Standards, there are a couple of paragraphs about the issue of using/referring to Unix code, as well as accepting code from other contributors whose sources (no pun intended) are unclear. The necessity of being extremely careful with these things is now becoming painfully clear...

  12. Re:in related news... by cshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the contract yesterday. I'm no legal expert, but it seems from the wording of it that IBM has to "designate" where the code is used, and how it's used. As long as it's under license, ANY license, (including gpl) they should be okay.

    The problem is that the damn thing is paradoxically worded. And parts of it are crossed off and pencilled in. It's a real mess.

    On top of that, It was signed in 1985 by AT&T and IBM. System V isn't even mentioned in it. Hell, they mention West Germany as a viable country to sell dirivitive code in!

    SCO is listing it as evendence. But I don't see how it's even applicable considering that the origenal code that it was made in reference to has fallen into the public domain.

    Am I wrong about this?

    Please correct me if I am.

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