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My Visit to SCO

Ian Lance Taylor writes "I signed the SCO NDA and visited them to discuss their claims against Linux. My essay about it is on the Linux Journal web site. The short version is that SCO's claims are unproven, as indeed I expected would be the case before I went. The amount of information they were willing to show me was extremely limited, and did not by itself prove that their claims were true, nor that their claims were false." Other SCO-bits: Sun is doing their usual foot-in-mouth routine, thinking that two FUDs makes a Solaris purchase, or something like that. IBM is now joining the contact the customers bandwagon. Eric Raymond has been keeping himself busy - here's a story about him. SCO hates BSD, too, but they're not taking it lying down. And of course Cringley has his two cents.

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  1. Comment Misspelled by twistedcubic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In a discussion I was reading that mentioned this article, it was mentioned that there was a misspelled word in the comments of some allegedly copied code. If true, then one could just strip the comments from the Linux source, and do a spell check in the appropriate language. I forgot where I was this. Can somebody verify?

    Or better yet, Ian Taylor can just tell us the name of the file. :)

  2. Re:I was worried. by gerf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's some new stuff in there. Apparantly, they insinuated that even Microsoft and Apple are not immune to being sued, though they have not taken action yet. Perhaps if they get money from IBM, they'll snowball down the chain of OS's, using the previous court cases, gaining billions as they go to fund the lawyers? We'll see

    Also, it seems they've been searching for this sort of IP infringement for a year now. Was it in an earlier article that I saw that the CIO or something of SCO has a history of using IP to extort money in this fashion? If so, he's been planning this attack for a while, and i'd be surprised if he didn't have series of plans if things go/don't go his way. Very scary, for everyeone.

    And, I want to say, even though you may be a huge corporation, serving your own ends, please help fight SCO. They are not simply attacking IP, but humanity's well-being. The future of computing could be as bleak as the Matrix's blackened sky if SCO has its way.

  3. Two Things by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two things stuck out for me, after reading.

    The biggie: SCO basically is arguing that any code developed on top of Unix is a derivative work of Unix.

    If you developed on Unix, and then went to Linux and did something similiar a few years down the line, with the benefit of hindsight yet with the same goals in mind, you probably did one of two things: recoded the section from memory, or, recoded a part of it using what you remembered plus possibly a better method that you had learned through sheer experience. SCO wants to claim rights to that experience. So no matter where you go from this day forward, if you happen to code the same thing in a *nix-like operating system, and they see the same algorithm (because, for example, the one you came up with couldn't be improved on), they should get a chunk of that.

    Next: SCO said it has no current program [for Linux Licensing]. It hopes to come up with something in which noncommercial use and educational use would be free, but for commercial use it wants some remuneration. SCO said it hadn't come up with a plan because it still is trying to figure out the scale of the problem.

    Did anyone else cringe as soon as they read the term "Linux Licensing", which preceded that paragraph?

    "the scale of the problem" is an easy way of saying "finding every corporate customer on Redhat, Lindows, SUSE, and every other distro's books and sending them OUR Linux Licensing agreement."

    This is so painful to watch. The company wants to say that anyone with a good idea cannot port that idea years later. That they own it. That even if that programmer kept a chunk of the code they once wrote, because they knew they couldn't remember it line-per-line, and copied it into a kernel module, that they own the rights to it.

    More or less, if you've ever worked for Company A, coded something for them, found a very unique and exceptional way of, say, saving a compressed binary file, and you save that chunk of code for later use, and use it in free, GPL'd, software, then Company A has the right to sue you for violating their Intellectual Property. That, to me, is wrong. Even if the comments are the same. Even if the algorithm is the same.

    Welcome to the grey area of black and white operating systems. What a terrible place to be.

    1. Re:Two Things by x+mani+x · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is so painful to watch. The company wants to say that anyone with a good idea cannot port that idea years later. That they own it. That even if that programmer kept a chunk of the code they once wrote, because they knew they couldn't remember it line-per-line, and copied it into a kernel module, that they own the rights to it.

      That's not the issue in this case. SCO is reaching further. If I read the article correctly, SCO are claiming that code written by IBM engineers, at IBM in fact belongs to SCO, because that work done by IBM is a derivative work of Unix.

      So let's say you're a software developer at IBM. You add feature X to the Unix code IBM bought from SCO. Many other developers do the same, and eventually you call this heavily modified Unix "AIX". Some years later, IBM starts working on the Linux kernel, a GPL'ed piece of software. Feature X is missing from the Linux kernel, so naturally they ask you to do the same feature for Linux. Now, what SCO is saying is that for you to add this feature to Linux is not legal. This is why SCO is suing IBM for 3 billion dollars. They believe that the AIX kernel is an entirely derivative work of Unix, and thus the rights to AIX belong to them, and to copy any features from AIX to Linux, even those features developed fully under the payroll of IBM, is copyright infringement.

      Of course, this is utter nonsense. I sincerely hope IBM makes a strong legal case and gets this whole thing dismissed from the courts. No settlement, I want SCO to lose. Then we'll all munch on popcorn as we watch them crash and burn.

      If SCO wins this, then any enhancement you add to a piece of software will be owned by the original author of said software, not you. The chilling effects would be immense.

      -Mani

  4. Re:NDA by cshark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was under the distinct impression that IBM was phasing out AIX in favor of Linux over the next decade, which is one of the big reasons SCO was angry. I could be wrong.

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  5. What SCO is really afraid of. by oni · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "[SCO] said that until the parties go to court, it doesn't want the Linux community to remove the code in question. SCO thinks it's more than changing a few lines of code."

    I'd bet a all the money I have that if that "offending" code was revealed tonight we'd have it all rewritten by Monday morning. The Linux community is more angry about this than anything that has ever touched it. All that anger would be unleached in an orgy of coding the likes of which even God has not seen.

    SCO is afraid the reason for thier lawsuit will vanish is they reveal their hand.

    "[SCO] feels large chunks are derivative. It argued that even a full replacement would be in part based on the prior effort, and thus would itself be derivative, at least under the terms of the IBM contract."

    Sorry. no. It'd be easy to get around this. You tell me what code infriges and I'll post the input and expected output from that code (without even revealing where the code is). Any programmer who independently writes code that meets those requirements has NOT infringed SCO's licences.