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SCO Protest And Anti-Protest In Provo

a.ameri writes "On Friday, June 20, the Provo Linux Users Group decided to head on over to SCO's offices and hold a protest; information on the event, including pictures and press coverage, can be found on the PLUG page. Among other things, the protesters claim that SCO employes came out and joined the event holding pre-prepared signs saying things like 'I love software piracy' and 'Try communism - use Linux.'" There are some funny shots linked here (thanks to reader lucif latum). Daddio64 points to the press covereage in the Deseret News and Provo Daily Herald.

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  1. pro-linux sco employees by stonebeat.org · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how many SCO employees are actually pro-linux, but are afraid to say anything, against their own company......

  2. Re:Image Problems? by cowmix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    * "Give Communism A Try - Free Linux"

    Hmm.. well is was Caldera riding on high on the capitalistic Linux
    IPO craze of the late 90s that allowed them to purchase SCO thus
    any usable IP left in SystemV code base. It was the promise of Linux
    who bank rolled the whole thing. I think that anyone who bought
    into their IPO because they thought they were investing in a Linux
    company should get their money back.

  3. I'm sorry, but this is not enough. by callforsco · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I hate to say it, but I think that this protest isn't going to do a god damn thing. Protests like this are pretty much ignored by everybody in the corporate setting; if anything, all it does is make corporate people roll their eyes.

    Take it from me - I work for a Fortune 500 company (no not microsoft ;-)) that gets protests pretty much *weekly* and the upshot of it is that company email gives logistical directions on where and how to avoid the protests. (ironically, I think that the protesters are *dead on* but believe me, its not going to change the company's practices. Nothing but an act of god is going to do that.)

    Anyways, don't get me wrong. I think that SCO is a borderline illegal company, but to *really* hurt them where it counts, we need to organize online. Hurting them where it counts means presenting the SEC with a well-thought out case on why they need to be investigated.

    I posted the following proposal to slashdot (it was rejected, probably because it was too controversial) and the gist was that SCO's share price (ticker symbol SCOX) has gone up 1400% on rumors and FUD. Now SCO may have a case, they may not have a case, but the least that should happen is an investigation by the SEC into the facts surrounding this incident.

    Here's a SEC link that lets you enter a complaint. Hell, if SCO gets enough heat from this, they may divulge all. We deserve, as a community, to be able to evaluate their gripe objectively, and that requires full disclosure by SCO of what their gripe is. SCO's failure to do so is *hurting our livelihood* - and at the least it is libelous.

    Anyways, below is the text of the original submission. I'm hoping to get it on the head Slashdot page, so if you could submit it as a story, I think it would do us all a favor. (Note to slashdot editors - a 'soapbox' icon would be very nice... something which allows users to post controversial stories like this whilst having a disclaimer so slashdot can keep its nose clean)

    original submission:

    I just read the vaguely demeaning forbes article describing the complacency of the linux community, and believe me, this "crunchie" wasn't pleased, at either a) being called a crunchie for having the ethics to be upset about what SCO is doing, or b) for being labeled as ineffective and powerless. The truth is, the open source community isn't powerless. The whole SCO incident has a very bad smell to it, and what they are doing (and the consequent effect on their stock price) is in my opinion highly unethical if not illegal. I am not a lawyer (or SEC official for that matter) but their stock price has jumped from 60 cents to $11 per share, in dubious circumstances... so in my opinion at the very least the SEC should be notified about the unsavory aspects of it and other pieces of background info so they can do an investigation and find out the facts for themselves. So - I think the open source community should take a stand. If you don't like what SCOX is doing, here is the sec complaint form where you can submit evidence, background facts, personal knowledge, and - if you think so - your opinion about how malfeasant SCOX's actions are and the damages that they are doing. (Any info about how SCOX insiders are capitalizing on the stock price would be especially helpful.. personally, its the element I find most distasteful of all, and if they find manipulation, its information the SEC can directly use.) How many people read slashdot? How would the SEC handle 500,000 complaints? Only time would tell - but I think at the minimum it would warrant an investigation, possibly even a class-action suit. Anyways, if you are going to submit, please be civil about it. The worst thing possible would be for the SEC to get lots of long-winded rants - they want courteous dialog and accurate information they can use, not a vitriolic screed of profan

    1. Re:I'm sorry, but this is not enough. by amcnabb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What do you think we're trying to do? Do you think we're so stupid that we think we're going to change SCO's mind?

      No way!

      The purpose of the protest was to show normal everyday people, through the media, what is really going on in the peaceful town of Lindon. And you know what? We were successful. Two major Utah newspapers covered our protest, and we had a front page article with one of them.

      After the "chat" we had with McBride, it was obvious that he didn't care at all about what we thought, but as long as the public is a little more aware of the issues, we feel we were successful.

      And besides, we had a lot of fun.

  4. Re:Original LWN discussion by Davorama · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, gotta disagree there. It's unclassy. Especially where they started in on the Iraq and France bashing by association. I know it's the in thing now to bag on "those French cowards" but it's still just mindless follow-the-hurd humor (unclassy). I do have a sense of humor but I don't like to have to turn my brain completely off in order to exersize it. The sign might be funny if if there was anything that could tie the two (IBM/Linux/SCO and France/Iraq) concepts together.

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    Davo -- Free speech, free software, AND free beer.

  5. Re:Original LWN discussion by dougmc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No, gotta disagree there. It's unclassy.
    They did more than put out signs. They provided drinks for everybody -- even the protesters. That's relatively cheap -- but extremely classy.

    They went out and picketed with them. They posed for pictures. They came out and `shared laughs'.

    The posters themselves were a little unclassy (but still funny.) But they made up for it in the other things they did.

    Especially where they started in on the Iraq and France bashing by association.
    They made a joke. That's more than they've done up to this part.

    (And I'll bet the SCO lawyers have a field day with this, and the people who did it get yelled at big time. After all, I doubt those signs were approved by legal (even though they were ready beforehand?)...)

  6. Re:Original LWN discussion by scoove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They went out and picketed with them. They posed for pictures. They came out and `shared laughs'.

    it's called 'coopting' and it's right out of Microsoft's manual.

    pretty interesting in all. it seems that SCO's got some rather competent handlers... that and the "steal free music" attempted reference in SCO's signs is a rather fascinating insight to how their PR folks are going to shape this battle in the press.

    I smell a Hatch...

    *scoove*

  7. Yup, Provo LUG were sucked in good and hard by leonbrooks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Copy of a post to LWN in answer to someone else who applauded the humour:

    The Who's down with Other People's Intellectual Property sign is major chutzpah. The IP which TSG (not the original SCO, The SCO Group) is laying claim to is code written by IBM which belongs to IBM according to the terms of the AT&T agreement.

    For an example of such code, turn to SMP. TSG's own SMP implementation sucks so badly that all of their licencees, past and present, have written and are using their own implementation instead. TSG is claiming ownership of those implementations.

    The short story is that the IP in contention does not belong to TSG even if it was originally developed (by IBM) for use with SCO UNIX or UnixWare sources and is not a part of the BSD codebase or otherwise public domain or copyright (e.g. GPL) by others. To put it in the same terms that TSG are applying to IBM and Linux TSG are using barratry to steal the rights to code that they did not write and do not own.

    It's worse than that. If you read what Chris Sontag said in the BYTE article, you will see that TSG are trying to leverage their barratry to steal ownership of every significant OS in the world.

    You know how annoying parking meters are? In asserting that everything else descends at least in principle from their UNIX codebase, TSG are trying to install a meter on every CPU in the world, starting with the USA. They are trying to encumber everybody with a licence agreement, but instead of using Microsoft's attrition method, they're aiming for one fell swoop.

    To show you how brazen this is, consider the same scenario in another industry. The Canopy Group buys Ford, then claims that since every production-line car in the world was derived in one way or another from Henry Ford's system. They start with General Motors but have an eye on an unexpectedly thriving kit-car industry. Is the analogy clear, and good enough?

    While TSG employees might be fine and friendly to deal with, TSG management is trying to stage one of the biggest ripoffs in software history. If they succeed, it will undermine the livelihood implied in tens of thousands of Linux-related job in the USA and greatly slow Linux deployment worldwide. They even have the gall to hint about taxing the BSDs! If they fail, TSG and these guys' jobs, pensions etc will be a scorched memory.

    This (to say nothing of much other lying and prevarication) makes those posters a lot less funny than you hope. Ha, ha, and all, but meanwhile they're trying to throw the IT world over a barrel.

    And suddenly Boise' actions make sick sense. In the unlikely event of him winning this one, he'll be first in line for the next one, and the next, and the next... and if TSG's licence works out to something of the order of $100 a CPU a year, their income will easily exceed Microsoft's. Are you reading me, Bill?

    The penny evidently hasn't yet dropped for Sun. The $100M they've already paid is a drop in the bucket compared with what TSG will get out of them if they win.

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  8. Black Parody by The+Famous+Brett+Wat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Astounding. I thought that Tom Lehrer's idea of satire was pretty black, but those SCO anti-Linux posters are blacker than black. So black that they're just plain disturbing whether they are intended as parody or not. They almost make you laugh, but the stronger urge is to run away because you're pretty sure that they were designed by a dangerous psychotic who is probably closer than you think.

    The obvious answer to this is to organise a pro-SCO demonstration, lauding all the worst aspects of that company. "Litigation is better than innovation," and so on. Just make it funny for goodness sake. That's the beauty of satire which the SCO posters miss.

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