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Netflix Granted Patent on DVD Subscription Rentals

A few folks noted a new patent showing up from netflix. They apparently now have a patent on their model of subscribing to rentals- where instead of being charged per disc, you are charged a monthly fee and can keep the rentals indefinitely without late fees. You can patent anything! Get on the bus!

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  1. PATENT SOURCE by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    See the patent PDF here.

    Imagine if McDonalds had patented the "drive-thru" method of selling. THE PTO FARKING SUCKS I AM GETTING SO TIRED OF THIS CRAP /pant pant pant

    1. Re:PATENT SOURCE by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where's the problem here? Netflix came up with a genuinely new business model, for which they should be rewarded if anybody else wants to hop on the same boat. This isn't a blindingly obvious or overly broad patent like the "user clicks on a link and we sell them stuff" that we've seen before.

      The drive-thru was a similarly revolutionary idea - whoever started it SHOULD have patented it...

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    2. Re:PATENT SOURCE by rsheridan6 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No, the fact that they were first to market, and therefore have all of the market share and name recognition should be enough. Patents like this serve only to stifle competition and are therefore anti-free market and anti-consumer.

      I can understand giving somebody an 18 year monopoly on a product that required lots of money spent on R&D, but allowing any bright idea to be patented is just idiotic.

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    3. Re:PATENT SOURCE by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you're OK with a WalMart coming along with all their resources and wiping out NetFlix as soon as they see that a market is there worth taking? Yeesh, so much for innovation!

      I can understand giving somebody an 18 year monopoly on a product that required lots of money spent on R&D, but allowing any bright idea to be patented is just idiotic.

      Well, that pretty much writes off any small inventor. If you have to pour $X into R&D to get a patent, you've basically walled off a class of innovators from ever bringing their ideas to market.

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    4. Re:PATENT SOURCE by Shalda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except, of course, that it's not. Rental clubs are nothing new. Growing up, we had a video rental store nearby that offered a subscription model. You take that and add round-trip shipping and that's suddenly something new? I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find an earlier identical business model based around something other than DVDs. The closest thing to being revolutionary here is the notion that it might actually make any money.

    5. Re:PATENT SOURCE by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Genuinely new business model? Shit, man, I remember renting movies 20 years ago. Let's try this once more for those at the back of the class: BUSINESS METHODS SHOULD NOT BE PATENTABLE. Can I patent renting DVDs out of my mom's basement? How about on a train, or under water maybe? How about bubble wrapping them before I ship them, or accepting food stamps for payment? Why not just patent a method for charging money to rent things and collect royalties on everyone renting movies, power tools, whatever? Just because they use a different way of distributing and billing, doesn't mean they should get a patent on it anymore than Blockbuster should have a patent on renting movies from a store. Patenting business methods kills competition, plain and simple.

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  2. How broad is this patent? by nurd666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this patent only cover DVD rentals? I'd hate to see a site like gamefly get hurt over this if the patent is broad enough to include all media rentals with the same scheme.

  3. Tomorrow's Headline by Remik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Walmart To Buy NetFlix.

    They've succeeded in making themselves worth buying, kudos.

    -R

  4. Re:Walmart... haha! by Sanity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While it may be a BS patent, it's nice to see a large corporation get screwed by a patent for once
    Don't be silly, large corporations don't get hurt by patents - sheesh.

    Patents are for keeping out those pesky small innovative companies who can't affort to go to court and don't have their own patent portfolio so that they can force cross-licensing.

  5. Patent will be challenged. by siskbc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While it may be a BS patent, it's nice to see a large corporation get screwed by a patent for once.

    Expect Wal-mart to fucking bend Netflix over. I get your "pull for the little man" thing. On the other hand, I'm glad a relatively large company (Netflix) finally pulled this patent crap against a company that's actually going to challenge the patent, as opposed to a mom-and-pop who can't fight back.

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  6. Patentable by stanmann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I have to say that it is a non-obvious business practice. Otherwise video stores would have tried it years ago. I'm not sure they should have patented it, but it is definitely a useful implementation. Of course the mailorder/internet thing makes it functional...


    I don't think there is anything resembling prior art, and for most of us, it was kindof a WOW! epiphany/paradigm shift thing.

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  7. Re:Walmart... haha! by zzzmarcus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're showing your ignorance to basic capitalism.

    BS patent or not, Netflix having a patent on this method of DVD rentals kills the competition--whether it comes from a Big Corporation or otherwise. A lack of competition is ALWAYS bad for the consumer. In the end, it's not WalMart who's getting screwed, it's you.

  8. Good for them by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's an original business method, and one that presumably takes a lot of time, effort, and money to implement. It's not something most of us would have just thought of as an obvious solution to a problem we were encountering.

    If we're going to allow Business Methods to be patentable (and that's a seperate conversation) then this is definitely an example of something that ought to be.

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  9. Re:Other patents... by slaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Netflix used to have some adult-ish titles a couple years ago. Then they just... vanished off the rental lists. I wrote in and asked about it. Got no response.

    I originally signed up for the service to get a couple of titles my video store didn't have (Brazil, some concert films). I had a few titles on my rental list that started "Playboy's...", but after not looking for a month or so, I couldn't even find the category any more.

    In my mind, if you're gonna carry very-soft adult materials like playboy videos (basically just naked girls prancing around. Nothing more provokative than a nipple), then do it. Don't change your mind. The local cable operators carry more "offensive" on the scrambled stations all day long, and they didn't stop carrying mainstream movies with more provokative content.

    They changed their mind. I don't know why. But after that, I thought perhaps they COULD change their minds again, and suddenly head down the Blockbuster path of "extra special no-naked-people" versions of movies. Boo Hiss.

    I've used a couple of rental services since then, but after a better video store finally opened locally, I had almost no need of netflix service.

    Now I just use wantedlist.com, which is an adult-only service, and don't worry what the hell netflix might do.

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  10. Re:You know... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    +5? Good god. What are the mods smoking? Even though NetFlix is sort of cool- I used to be a member, but have moved on to "greener" pastures- and they did have a good idea, why should this be patentable? Being able to patent "Do X, only on the internet" is about as stupid as can be. What if it had been possible to patent "Do X"? Would you all be happy if Blockbuster had a patent on movie rentals? Alamo on car rentals? Or, perhaps, Expedia on "Buying airline tickets... on the internet!" As others have said, unlimited-time-out rentals are not a new idea, either, so they really are doing this based of off "... on the internet".

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  11. Re:Other patents... by gid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had a few titles on my rental list that started "Playboy's...", but after not looking for a month or so, I couldn't even find the category any more.

    suddenly head down the Blockbuster path of "extra special no-naked-people" versions of movies.

    That annoys the shit out of me. What the fuck is it with people here in the States that makes them so afraid of seeing naked people? BUT THE CHILDREN MIGHT SEE. It's the soccer moms doing it, I'm telling you...

    It's not so much that they cut the naked people out. It cutting ANYTHING out of the movie without telling me. I want to see the movie the way the director intended it. Which is why I'm a big fan of director's cuts that have more footage, a lot of times extra scenes that add a LOT to the movie. I hate it when someone high up cuts this and this out to get the pg-13 rating which means bigger sales.

    Screw that. Movies are an art form. I don't go to a museum and expect to see black bars on all the naked statues and paintings, do I? I fail to see the difference.

  12. Re:Walmart? by Zaak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately for you, many people, including the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, disagree.

    Unfortunately, the people who believe that business models should be patentable will find out too late that it was a bad idea.

    "Intellectual Property" isn't. Ideas are very different from material goods, and trying to treat them the same is stifling the creativity that has advanced science, technology, and business in the United States up until now.

    TTFN

  13. Business methods, good or bad, aren't patentable by cait56 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of these comments are way off-topic. Whether or not this is a good method of distributing DVDs is not the issue, nor is whether anyone should anyone for movies at all, or how good various companies are at delivering on what they promise.

    The real issue is that however good this business model is or isn't, there is absolutely nothing that is technically innovative about it. It is a simple billing model -- something that is explicitly not patentable.

    This doesnt' even call for congressional action. Firing half of the patent department for technical incompetence and failure to read the laws they are supposed to be enforcing would be more appropriate.