Industry Leaders Discuss Java Status Quo

prostoalex writes "JavaPro magazine published a wrap-up report on Java discussions at the recent JavaOne. If you missed JavaOne, the video Webcasts of McNealy, Schwartz, Gosling et al. are available from this site. The round table mentioned above gathered people from Sun, Oracle, Borland, Novell, Motorola and others. The discussion topics included: Java vs. NET, integration issues, the impact of open source and top problems that Java is facing today."

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Re:Hey They Mentioned Me!

[TheAwfulTruth]

Have you actually USED a real java app? Not an applet, but a real app?

I've used about a half dozen and every one or them it so close to completely unuseable due to the complete mess that the JRE from Sun is. Slow and visually buggy to the point of extreme annoyance. I can't believe that anyone would be satisfied with using Java App for free and certainly not for pay.

Instead look to things like wxWindows which run NATIVE libs on all platforms, thus giving you the true look and feel of the platform as well as full speed, low memory requirements and NO UI bugs.

Who ARE these guys ?

[agslashdot]

Butch Cassidy ( Robert Redford ) keeps going "Who ARE these guys?" & that's exactly what struck me when I read this piece.

Where's Gosling ? Where's Ken Arnold ? Where are the IBM developers ? Instead, you have some "chief software evangelist", a whole bunch of suits, and these are the "luminaries" ? Gimme a break. Hamilton came into the Java scene at such a late stage, I doubt the relevance of his take on the industry.

Look at the overly simplistic opinions they voice - "Unix is complicated, it won the server, Windows is simple, it won desktop". Jesus.

JCP will make Java stronger ?! Ha ha ha. Do you know how much you have to pay to become a part of JCP ? What exactly did Kodak's participation in the JCP get them ? Their powerful imaging API is still not part of the standard JDK. log4j never made it into the JDK. The regex libraries were booted out too. In both cases, Sun simply issued a JSR & reinvented the wheel, instead of accomodating valuable work done in an open-source environment.

The only sure thing I got out of this discussion -"Microsoft .NET is maturing and will be a ferocious competitor to Java...companies putting Java projects on hold pending their evaluation of their .NET projects." - I work for one of them companies. Despite the deep experience in Java & Swing ( we designed grids & calendar widgets when things like JTable were unknown ), we've decided to go the C# route for our finance apps. Java's fine on the server, but windows clients need a C#, no two ways about it. Same story with Linux once Mono's a done deal - just you wait.

Re:Microsoft should have owned them a long time ag

[ShieldW0lf]

Isn't it more a case of the world creating superior goods for the good of the community, and scummy american companies trying to exploit and destroy?