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Experimental Fuel-Cell Airplane's 2nd NASA Test

js7a writes "The Helios prototype, holding the sustained flight altitude record, having unsuccessfully completed its first test with a fuel cell, is almost ready for its first night flight this Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. Helios uses solar panels for flight with payloads over 600 lbs. planned for up to six months using regenerative electrolysis. What good is a plane that will fly for six months without refueling? Besides providing a UAV alternative to AWACS, they can improve internet connectivity."

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  1. Re:Autonomous thermal surfing? by dougmc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I wonder if it would be possible for a future aircraft to stay up most of the time by just gliding ...
    The problem with this idea is that thermals are powered by the sun. Once the sun goes down, the thermals do too. You might have some thermal activity due to a large concrete item that retains heat well (I bring this up because I was slope/thermal flying an R/C plane over Mansfield dam today) but even so it wouldn't last all night.

    That, and thermals do go up high, but not up to 100,000 feet. And a plane that stays at 1000 feet isn't nearly as useful as one that stays at 100,000 feet.

    Slope soaring would make more sense, as if you're in a coastal area is usually always windy and the wind direction is pretty well known, but this would require an appropriate slope and it's hard to gain signifigant altitude unless you have a full mountain for your slope.

    You could probably keep a plane up indefinately over a constant source of massive heat like a nuclear power plant or volcano, but that wouldn't be very useful.

    I believe that the world record duration for a R/C glider is 30 hours or so -- I don't know the specifics, but I'll bet this was on a slope. After 30 hours, he probably either got tired or his receiver battery died :)

  2. Radio Ground Coverage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you incur the weight penalty to stay at 100,000 feet, you get continuous radio coverage over a ~500 mile radius.

    Are you sure? I'm no expert, but I remember the flying wireless internet platform proposals from a few years ago flew pretty high - (50k feet, maybe?), but didn't aspire to cover anything more than a single city. 100K feet is only 18 miles - is that really high enough to get line-of-sight on something 250 miles away?

    1. Re:Radio Ground Coverage by js7a · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's more to it than that. Once you're above the troposphere, you get to use the ionosphere as a reflector with much less penalty. That's how over-the-horizon radars work.

  3. Re:Autonomous thermal surfing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Try http://www.qinetiq.com/news_room/newsreleases/2003 /2nd_quarter/qinetiq19.html for a bit more information on this.

    If everything comes off, this will be a very public, practical usage of high altitude UAV, taking pictures of a record breaking high altitude balloon, taking off from a triple hulled ship.

    Nothing like three birds with one stone.