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Tanya Grotter and the Magic Double Bass

Slate has a piece about Harry Potter and copyright worldwide that is a disguised call for copyright reform. Well written, well argued, extremely good argument, won't be picked up anywhere else.

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  1. hehe by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 5, Funny

    " In something of a departure, Harry's Belarussian clone wields a grenade launcher and re-fights the White Russian wars"

    Now that's a Harry Potter I can identify with more!

    graspee

  2. really... by Destree · · Score: 5, Informative

    Won't be picked up anywhere else? This article has been on the front page of msn.com all day Friday.

  3. Re:aren't these just parodies by aheath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a thin line between knock-off and parody. National Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings" and "Doon" were obvious Parodies of "Lord of the Rings" and "Dune." (Second part of sentence gratuitously inserted for the caffeine deprived.) "Harry Potter and Leopard Walk-Up-toDragon" appears to create sufficient confusion by mixing Harry Potter characters and Tolkien characters without permission. This should not be allowed unless it is clearly sold as a satire. "Tanya Grotter" is clearly trying to ride the coat tails of the Harry Potter hype. Tanya Grotter appears to be somewhat derivative of Harry Potter. However, most "grown-up" reviews of Harry Potter point out that J.K. Rowling's work borrows ideas from all sorts of other previous works. Derivation, in and of itself, is the way that literature advances. It is not a reason to use copyright law to suppress a work.

  4. U.S. Legal Guidelines for Derivative Works by Lomak · · Score: 5, Informative

    Art which uses found objects, cultural references, preexisting stories may be protected under the fair use doctrine.

    To decide whether a use is "fair use" or not, courts consider:

    1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit education purposes;

    2. the nature of the copyrighted work;

    3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and,

    4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. 17 U.S.C. 107(1-4)

    more here

    --Stephen

  5. The burger comparison by surprise_audit · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You could say that Burger King and Wendy's stole the idea of a fun, plastic burger joint from McDonald's and are unfairly profiting from their evil deed. But when it comes to burger joints, we accept that the consequence of a competitive market is less profit for the first mover (McDonald's)

    It has to be said: if McDonald's had patented, trademarked or copyrighted the 'plastic burger joint', they'd be suing Burger King and Wendy's, and never mind the competitive market...

    It also has to be said, that if Rowling has registered "Harry Potter" as a trademark, then she has to fight anyone diluting that trademark. Just like anyone else defending their trademarks - defend it or lose it.

  6. The article is lousy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He first ignores the difference between inspired by and derivative works, lumping in Tonya Grotter (which with the data given may or may not be a derivative work) with Harry Potter in Calcutta.

    Second, he doesn't consider any of the logical consequences of ending derivative work protection, except for a brief consideration of movie rights.

    For example, if international copyright is changed to allow Harry Potter in Calcutta, certainly there's no obvious reason why an unauthorized Harry Potter in New York shouldn't be similarly allowed. Or an alternate Harry Potter 6 book, for that matter.

    Translations are derivative works, not the original; all translation is paraphrase. Should a translation of a Rowling Harry Potter into French not pay royalties to her? How about a mere English-languge paraphrase?

    Similarly, a movie of the first Harry Potter is not a copy of the book but just a derivative work, and any other version of the film shot by a different studio isn't a copy, either. Should Disney be allowed to suddenly start making its own Harry Potter films based directly on the books?

    Moron. He doesn't even raise the questions.

  7. Re:Sad by gunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, everything is derivative work.
    Or as a famous scientist (Newton?) said, "If I have seen further, it was because I stood on the shoulders of giants".

    Too bad that a very long perspective in economics is non-existent.

    --
    Evolution of Language Through The Ages: 6000 BC : ungh, grrf, booga 2000 AD : grep, awk, sed
  8. Harry Potter and the magic cauldron by dr_eaerth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been planning on writing someting about just this subject for a while. This is the natural situation, if you think about creativity.

    How does creative stuff happen? Some author or musician or whatever really digs something, and feels inspired, and writes something that features all the stuff he digs.

    You might create a ripping bluegrass tune in the style of Flatt and Scrugs, or if you're Mr. Bungle, mix surf music with death metal. If you're a writer, maybe you will create an epic like the great Finnish epics, only set in a world of your own creation, or maybe a world where the ancient Greek gods are all immortal personifications, updated for the modern age. Maybe you'll write a story where refugees from Troy found the Roman empire. Maybe you'll write a story about a nerdy boy who becomes a great magician, but who doesn't fight the demon Barbatos and an evil possible future version of himself.

    In the days before oppressive copyright, this was the norm. The world of fiction was a big pot of cool stuff and everyone worked out of it. To this day, the rich mythical history of past civilizations shape our current world.

    Terry Pratchett said this, and I think it's interesting:

    'Books in a genre may well remind you of other books in that genre. This is allowed. If it wasn't, H G Wells would have been the only person permitted to write about time machines. Being a fantasy writer is like being allowed to sit around a big bubbling pot, a stew made up of everything that's gone before. You're allowed to take a certain amount of stuff out, and you don't object if it turns out that you're putting stuff in, too. And so the stew bubbles on. There are only two crimes: one is to claim that the pot is yours, and that the other is to claim that there is no pot.'

    He wasn't talking about taking specifics like Harry Potter's name and rough history, but such distinctions are slight and, in my opinion, completely unimportant.