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Harry Potter and the Entertainment Industry

VoidEngineer writes "In a surprisingly insightful article entitled Harry Crushes the Hulk, Frank Rich discusses how "Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix" beat out "The Hulk" and goes on to offer some insightfull and interesting comments on demographics, digital media piracy, file sharing and p2p networks, the iTunes store, and more... His conclusion? "[Consumers] may well be willing to pay for their entertainment -- if the quality is guaranteed and the price is fair."

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  1. Without even reading the article.... by TallEmu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... I would certainly pay for accessible, reasonably priced, good quality music and video.

    I don't have an Australian Drivers licence, and my local video store requires *australian* photo ID. So, that counts me out as a video consumer. The last time I bought a CD was for *one* song I liked. I'd use ITunes if it were available out here.

    Sadly, I doubt that the companies will wake up and smell the coffee...

  2. I'm boycotting all RIAA products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    until they stop suing everyone and bribing my congressman

    (the fact that their stuff is overpriced crap makes this easier)

    1. Re:I'm boycotting all RIAA products by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with your point, but IIRC Bloomsbury Ltd. is not a member of RIAA. And I wouldn't exactly describe the latest Harry Potter as crap, and am happy in the knowledge that my dollars were well spent on a hardbound copy.

  3. Bottom line by Jarlsberg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The entertainment industry loves 15+ kids for their spending power, but loathe them for the grand scale theft of music and videos. However, they will pay for quality, ie. the fifth Harry Potter book, but won't spend the same kind of dough on an album with one hit and a lot of fillers. It's nice to finally see journalists getting the point so many in the Slashdot crowd have been trying to make for some time.

    1. Re:Bottom line by sebi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's not. I've seen rips of the text already. It's actually pretty easy to do, I could do it on my computer if I wanted to.

      I tried reading a e-book copy of a book once. Stephenson's 'The Diamond Age' wasn't available at any local bookstores so I downloaded it. It was horrible. Plain-text is really bad for large amounts of text. So I layouted parts of it myself and that was a bit better but I still had to read it on a computer screen. Sure--you can print it out, but a stack of loose pages is a lot less comfortable to handle than a bound book. That is the big difference between books and other forms of entertainment. With books the package is important and not easily recreate-able at home. Films, games and music can be burned on any old blank. With 'The Diamond Age' I read the first couple of pages and then ordered it.

      From the article:
      By the next year, The Times would have to bend to Harry's will and initiate its first separate weekly children's best-seller list, lest adult fiction get crowded out by the Rowling juggernaut.

      That is kind of unfair, isn't it? After all people of all ages read the books.

    2. Re:Bottom line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be fair to say (in the case of the book), that they are willing to pay for something where the pirated version is qualitatively different (in a significant way) from the 'original'?

      When you buy a CD or DVD, you experience the data it contains in exactly the same way as you would with the pirated version; the same speakers, the same screen.

      A book is quite different - while the data may be identical, most people would far prefer the experience of reading from a bound dead-tree version than from a CRT/LCD etc (not to mention the portability factor - not everyone has a laptop).

      As for the 'quality' of the fifth Harry Potter book; well, thats another argument altogether, and theres enough flamebait in the world as it is.

  4. One disappointing comment in the article... by SlashChick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Overall, a good article, and it draws some interesting parallels. However, I found one piece of the article to be very disappointing...

    "The question is: How do all those lovely entertainment-seeking kids weaned on 'Harry Potter' grow up to become thieves? Surely, they know that stealing copyrighted songs and movies is akin to shoplifting sweaters at the Gap."

    How can an author who is obviously intelligent enough to write an otherwise-interesting article sneak that in? Making a copy of music is NOT the same as stealing the original. Now, if I went to the Gap, bought one sweater, and then used my home cloning machine to make 50 more and ship them off to people on the Internet for free... that would be a fair comparison. However, "pirating" music (ugh, I despise that term) is not equivalent to stealing a physical good. If I steal one Gap sweater, that's one less sweater that the Gap has to sell... but if I make a perfect bit-by-bit copy of a CD and hand it to a friend, the original is still completely intact and able to be sold, used, or traded.

    It's disappointing that the author fell into the RIAA's trap on that point. However, the rest of the article is quite good. Good weekend reading...

    1. Re:One disappointing comment in the article... by Espen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As you can see from the included quote the author wasn't claiming it to be 'the same as', but 'akin to' (which is not the same).

      Is it reasonable to claim that stealing music (by copying it) is similar to stealing goods? I would say it depends on which dimension of the act you are focusing on and why. As you point out above, the physical aspect of the act is very different, and the outcome for the victims is relatively different, but from the perspective of whether it is wrong to do it, that doesn't really make any difference does it?

      Btw. a book might make for good weekend reading; an article is something you read while on the toilet.

  5. Re:Is it as good as they say? by GMontag451 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've never read any of the Harry Potter series. I think I'd probably enjoy them, though. But I'm _very_ aware of them. The Harry Potter phenom is well covered in the media, and I doubt they would be so popular without the involment of the media.

    The media coverage of Harry Potter started *because* of its popularity, it didn't cause it. I will grant that the popularity of the fifth book has probably been helped along by the media coverage, but remember, the popularity of the series was already quite entrenched when the fourth book was being anticipated. The fact that little kids were lining up to be the first to read a 700 plus page book on their own was what made the story newsworthy.

  6. Being on the NY Times doesn't make it true by nzyank · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I had more than a few minutes or really cared I'd pick the article apart point by point, but the main point is that the Harry Potter series was no doubt very popular in book-only form, but would NEVER have sold $100M worth of books in a weekend without the HP movies and the media hype.

    Normally I'd agree in the conservative estimate of 2 readers per book, but I think that a large portion of sales are driven by a 'me too' mentality. I'd put readership at more like .5 readers per copy. Really.

    Would anyone care to bet against me that sales of Tolkien's LOTR and The Hobbit books skyrocketed because of the movies and not just because everyone suddenly, simultaneously and miraculously figured out that they're just really good books (which they are)?

    Face it. These people (a lot of them) buying the new HP book are buying it because everyone says they have to and to get a preview of the next movie.

    The Hulk just happens to have had fewer big-budget movie prequels than HP (not counting the low-budget Bill Bixby junk) and LOTS less media hype. The Hulk CG also sucks from what I've seen in the trailers. Hopefully I'll change my mind when I watch the DVD in 6 months.

    Gawd I hate faulty (I think the word is 'specious') reasoning almost as much as I hate the knuckleheads who believe the faulty reasoning simply because it was written in the NY Times. Probably mostly the same knuckleheads who stood in line to but the latest HP book so that it could sit on the coffee table to show everyone how smart their knucklehead kids are because they can read.

  7. It's the Economic Downturn Stupid by SailorBob · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The music business's travails -- the top 10 albums sold 33 million units in 2002, down from 60 million in 2000 -- are attributed to Napster, which arrived just as the first "Harry" novel did, and its current successors, led by KaZaA. The recording industry has tried litigation, legislation, education and invective to end file-sharing piracy, all to little avail.

    Anyone else getting tired of this? I mean, can't reporters make the connection? When was the economy at it's peek? In 2000. What has it been doing since 2000? Going into deeper and deeper recession. What does that mean? People are spending less money on goods and services.

    What?! The entertainment industry saw a drop in sales during a worldwide economic recession? It must be the pirates fault!

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    1. Re:It's the Economic Downturn Stupid by jasonbowen · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Actually my mp3 collection is very transient, it varies based on a whim. Currently I have 100 megs and have had up to 700 Megs, I was collecting music for a party. Do I really want a Rick Springfied CD??? No I don't. I just felt like listening to 2 songs of his after watching a show that reminded me of 5th grade. I have a substantial CD collection of music that I found worth purchasing. I just saw the Foo Fighters in concert after purchasing their latest CD last November. I'm tired of the RIAA claiming harm on a large scale when they act like they should have growth during an economic downturn. Sure, there are thiefs out there but a download doesn't equal lost revenue and I bet the actual loss of Revenue is a fraction of what they claim.

      A little story from being a teenager... I absolutely felt that Metallica was the greatest thing ever the first time I heard them in 1987. I copied all the stuff I could from friends and over time slowly bought all their major albums. They were the first band that I saw in concert. I listened to Master of Puppets so much that the label wore off and the tape broke. I purchased a second copy of it and proceeded to leave it in a friends stereo the weekend before we both moved away to different colleges. Instead of waiting to get it back I purchased my first CD, you guessed it, Master of Puppets. I do really believe I'm the average person and that I copy something because I can't afford it or don't find it worth purchasing. Now I have downloaded new Metallica stuff before thinking of buying it and finding a real copy has been pretty hard, their label is working hard at placing fake songs on gnutella. I've litterally had it with them, I think they are harming more than helping their following. I will not buy St. Anger(for one it sounds like they are trying to fit in with the current scene, I remember when bands tried to sound like Metallica), nor will I see them in concert.

      The simple fact of the matter is that if somebody can't produce something that I feel is worth buying, I won't purchase it. If I'm not going to purchase it, it's not a sale. I won't buy a Rick Springfield CD, they aren't losing money. Personally I think Apple has a good idea going with iTunes but a gnutella download != lost revenue.

  8. Re:I have been arguing this with the wife all day by AdamHaun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Harry Potter is a children's story set in an adult world. As you go farther along, you begin to see that the HP universe is actually a very frightening place, where very bad things can happen to very nice people.

    Also, the characters tend to be far more realistic than you would expect in children's literature. Not all the good guys are nice, and not all the bad guys are mean.

    Summary: It's just a good story. Read more.

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  9. Somewhat right... by gotacap · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Although not completely. Until January I lived in Dallas TX where Movie Theaters were pleantiful, and the only times I downloaded movies from P2P were when I saw them in theaters already and enjoyed the movie enough that I wanted to have it available to view at my leisure until the DVD release. Indeed, being a Potter fan myself I downloaded the CoS movie only after seeing it in theaters with my young nephew twice. And had a copy of the DVD preordered as soon as the release date was scheduled. I had never downloaded movies that were already out on Video and DVD because it was simple for me to rent them, in fact I worked at Blockbuster mostly so that I could rent for free and get a discount on purchasing the ones I really liked.

    Now things are different for me. Now I live in the small town of Robbinsville, NC. There are 2 video rental stores both with poor selections and no movie theaters at all. I love movies, so yes, I admit, I download movies that I used to go to theaters to see, cause otherwise I have to wait for the rental. For movies that have been out a few months however... I now use netflix as my rental source, I still don't prefer to P2P, as the quality isn't good and I personally believe that if I like something, I should pay for it so that the people who make it get the incentive to make more things like that.

    Money makes the world work, but the article does make a point, everyone targets the younger crowd who have no money to spend, yet they continue to raise their prices higher and higher till their target audience can't afford it anymore, of course they would turn to P2P. I mean movie ticket prices are somewhat rediculous, there are places that it costs $10 for a matinee ticket! Why would a kid want to shell out $10 for 2 hours of mindless entertainment, when they could pay $17 for a book that will entertain them for days. Even the audiobook version is 24 hours of entertainment. And what Rowling can do for young minds is far more magical then anything Harry learns at Hogwarts. For a long time children have fallen away from reading, the instant gratification world in which we live has bred children to not want to read, and in many cases, not be able to read. Yet J.K. Rowling has the most amazing ability to grab minds child and adult alike and make them crave more and more. Each book she releases longer then the previous, this one nearly 900 pages in length, yet children as young as 6 make it through it not once but multiple times. And when Rowling can't write fast enough for these eager readers, the children actually look to OTHER books. Rowling has done more for literacy then anyone in the late 20th century.

    Sadly it won't be enough, we live in far too much of a video world, Children come home from school and immediately turn on the TV to watch increasingly disgusting cartoons or play mindless video games, they do this until they go to bed, then get up and continue the next morning before school, when the weekends come instead of sitting outside under a tree reading a good book, they spend the whole day inside burning images into their eyes, and when they cannot get enough through TV and what movies they can afford to see in theaters, they hop online and download the rest of the available movies. Would the best thing be a reasonable price on entertainment? Or less entertainment with more quality to it?

  10. Retail Respect by grasshoppah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me that there are two commercial camps that have very different methods of treating the consumer. One camp, consisting of the RIAA, MPAA, major media etc. has somehow established the mentality that we are OBLIGED to consume their products. They figure we can not live withou what they provide( at unreasonable cost and restriction ) and that we know it. Not only do we KNOW that we must have what they provide, but we WANT it. In short, they are not serving us, they do not respect us as discerning consumers.
    The other camp, such as independent bands, movie studios, book publishers etc. treat consumers with the respect they deserve. They recognize that people will use good (or at least some) judgment in their decisions and buy quality and originality. They are not requiered to purchase any one provider's product and thus the providers recognize the need to truly differentiate themselves from the rest.
    Sadly, though I'm not sure how, the method which does not serve the customers seems to be winning

  11. Re:I have been arguing this with the wife all day by stwrtpj · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I am not a fan of fiction anymore, I am an adult, and find the story to be a waste of time.

    If you don't care for Harry Potter, that's fine, not everyone does. But by this statement you're implying that you don't read fiction because you're an adult, and I fail to see what one has to do with the other.

    My father is in his seventies now and still devours about three novels a week. He is a rather intelligent and well-educated man. He cared for my ailing and home-bound mother for ten years all by himself until she passed away a few months ago. All through that time he read tons of fiction. It helped him remain sane while he saw my mother deteriorate despite his best efforts. A social worker that visited him once said she was astonished at the quality of care he was giving my mother.

    Here is a man that is very much an adult. He shoulders his adult responsibilities seriously and with skill. Yet he continued to read fiction during that time. We need fiction as an escape, if nothing else, a way of immersing ourselves in another world as a way of recovering from the harsh realities of real life.

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  12. Re:I have been arguing this with the wife all day by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Insightful
    " I read CS Lewis stories when I was a kid. They were fascinating. But why is this new thing sooo cool? I dont get it."

    That's because you are no longer a kid, and your tastes have changed. The Harry Potter books, which I have not read I will admit, are aimed at children, not at your level. From all I've heard, they are written well, but so is, say, the Judy Blume books that kids loved. Doesn't mean adults will find them of interest.

    " My wife says its aimed at a lower grade audience, so why does she read it?

    This is similar to something I have wondered about for several years: why do adults like the HP books? Cleary they weren't meant for them, and adults were clueless about the books until their kids discovered them and made a fuss. My theory is three-fold:

    1. The hype factor: When anything gets hyped a lot, people join in just to see what the fuss is about.
    2. The quality factor: The HP books are apparently well-written, not just hyped junk. The hype machine came after Rowling wrote the first few books. They are good books, simple as that. Again, I cannot speak from personal experience, but I have friends who have read the books and tell me what they think.
    3. The literacy factor: Adults are not reading as often as they used to, and the literacy level of adult fiction has lowered over the decades to keep up with the times. Compare a newspaper from a hundred years ago to one today. Compare a popular novel to one today. People like easier material. They get lazy. So when they pick up a HP book they find it's easy to read, contains a good story, and they feel as if they are accomplishing something.
    "I have read a few chapters of the HP and find it near tripe. I am not a fan of fiction anymore, I am an adult, and find the story to be a waste of time."

    Well, I find your concept of adulthood to be odd. Fiction is universally known as a window into the human condition. The best fiction tells us more about the world than the most thoroughly researched non-fiction. It says more in a glance than reams of charts and facts. So to hear you dismiss all fiction tells us why you don't like the HP books, but it also tells us something about you.

    Namely that you are probably just trolling. :)

  13. in defense of the Hulk movie by uncadonna · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I may be in the minority, but I thought The Hulk was a wonderful movie, capturing the feel of the Marvel Silver Age perfectly and exploring interesting new comix inspired visualization techniques. I think this movie will be remembered long after the Spiderman and Batman movies are forgotten. I also think it's a work that understands and uses technology both as theme and as tool brilliantly.

    Not to say the NYT article wasn't interesting.

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  14. Re:Is it as good as they say? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it as good as they say?

    I'd like to see the marketing campaign that can get 10 year olds to sit and read -- nearly continuously -- an almost 900 page book that was actually crap. :)

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