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GPL May Not Work In German Legal System

erbse2 writes "It may be that the (L)GPL can not be (fully) enforced under German jurisdiction. This is at least the conclusion professor Gerald Spindler of the jurisprudential faculty of the University of Goettingen came to when he examines the Legal questions of the open source software (It's long, it's complex and it's in German and it's written by a professor, so don't expect to understand anything, if you are not a German lawyer). Heise News has the article in German, however, the fish may be with you. IANAL, however, as one can put some of the legal problems aside, most of the concerns mentioned in there should provoke at least some thought by brave men around RMS."

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  1. No problem! by jsse · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's long, it's complex and it's in German and it's written by a professor, so don't expect to understand anything, if you are not a German lawyer

    We'd not read it even when it's short, simple and in English, so how hard could it be. :)

  2. In other news by borgdows · · Score: 4, Funny

    SCO's CEO, Darl Mac Bride, has just declared that the SCO company will move to Frankfurt, Germany, and will be renamed FGO (Frankfurt Germany Operation).

  3. good babel quotes by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't generally understand long, complex, legal arguments in German, but the astounding Fish translates it perfectly. Here are a couple quotes:

    "Employers could go on thin ice, if they pay coworkers for the letter of open SOURCE often commodity."

    "Even if one can argue perhaps over or other detail the study, then she calls many problems nevertheless with the name."

    1. Re:good babel quotes by Zayin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, the comments below the main text clarifies it a lot:

      If thus a damage to a right property third developed , CAN the user cling, if he uses scrap iron and that does not wait. And the manufacturer CAN cling, because he that produced. And/or both beside in vein etc..

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      "I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy"
  4. finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...a reason to learn German. And finally a real reason to post b4 reading the FA.

  5. babelfish translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    ACHTUNG!!!
    Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
    schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
    spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
    rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
    das blinkenlights!!!


    ehh.. I think babelfish has been on the crack pipe again

    1. Re:babelfish translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ACHTUNG!
      Das GPL ist nicht fuer gesoftware-writen in das Deutschland. Ist easy schnappen der Legalsystem und kopfen-poppen das Laywers. Das hackern ist strengstens verboten, keepen das hands in das propeitary pocketts. Relaxen und watchen das SCO vs IBM case!

    2. Re:babelfish translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      All the German you need to know:

      Ein bier, bitte. One beer, please.
      Ein anderes bitte, und schnell! Dieses Bier schmeckt vom Eselurin! Can I have another, please? This one does not taste very nice.
      Wo ist der Jungenmaedchenraum, bitte? Where is the Gents', please?
      Wo ist der Jungenknabenraum, bitte? Where is the Ladies', please?
      Bei der BMW-Arsch-drueckenauto, ebenso der Treiber. I don't like rear-wheel-drive cars very much.

  6. Hourra! by borgdows · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's long, it's complex and it's in German and it's written by a professor, so don't expect to understand anything, if you are not a German lawyer

    I AM a German lawyer and it is the FIRST article I have understood on Slashdot!

    1. Re:Hourra! by Noryungi · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot to add the canonical ending:

      I AM a German lawyer and it is the FIRST article I have understood on Slashdot!

      you insensitive clod!

      Please try to post properly, this is Slashdot, you know.

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      The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
  7. Finally... by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 1, Funny

    An article in which people really CAN'T read it before they post, so no excuses, this time! Babelfish is about as good as a strung-out german in the ghetto... Good work, Slashdot.

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    Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
  8. Re:Translation by FranklyMyDear · · Score: 1, Funny

    Developers may be held liable... [...] And buyers of such software must be prepared that liability is limited to the criteria common for items given away for free, i.e. severe negligence only.

    This makes software under GPL in no way different than any commercial software you buy in Germany from a liability point of view.

    Actually, I think all this is typical self-contradictory FUD. As you see above, the study basically says that Free Software is bad for developers, because they expose themselves to liability. And then it turns around and says, oh, and Free Software is bad for customers, because that liability is limited! Translation: OK, in Germany, everyone is liable to a certain extent for the software they write (we knew that), but Free Software is actually better off.

  9. Laws change in each country by christophe · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and you'll always find one where your favorite license is not legal nor enforceable.
    The good side is that the MS'EULA may not be legal everywhere too.
    And in many years, people from Jupiter, Aldebaran or Coruscant will claim that the GPL and the EULA from MS are both non-sense according to their legal system ("what's this 'intellectual property' crap??!!" will they ask). If they have one.
    (The reverse may be true: the Generous Telepathic License from Pluto is probably not legal on Earth.)

    --
    Christophe (Don't hesitate to point out my spelling and grammar mistakes, I want to learn - Thanks).
  10. Re:Actually, the GPL hasn't exactly worked.. by Gherald · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Forget Linux!" says the FSF, "by the time all the lawsuits finish we'll have HURD!!!"

    1. Abandon Linux in its moment of need
    2. Devlope a fully GNU alternative
    4. ???
    5. Philosophize!

  11. Standard legal procedure by panurge · · Score: 3, Funny
    It's not just Germany. My father was a corporate lawyer. Whenever he was asked for an opinion on litigation he would normally reply that there was a 50% chance of success. So he was told to get an opinion from an external law firm. Who would charge $tens of thousands and reply that the case was very complicated, that (wodges of paper), that the company had basically a reasonable case but (more paper) and so had a 50% chance of success. In the end he used to say "just give me the money now and I'll tell you again you have a 50% chance."

    The opinion of one lawyer is worth precisely nothing, unless he's the judge and you haven't got enough money to escalate to a higher court.

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    Panurge has posted for the last time. Thanks for the positive moderations.
  12. Re:Translation by SunPin · · Score: 2, Funny
    Don't mess with Germans - they're known to be merciless and ruthless, despite their appearances.

    So you're saying they're passive-aggressive? I'm offended.

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    Laws are for people with no friends.
  13. German legal system eh... ?! by supersam · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's a shining example of the same German legal system. Enough said!!

  14. Re:Translation by sacrilicious · · Score: 2, Funny
    Why should the license be fixed? Do idiotic clauses in MS EULAs get fixed based on user feedback?

    Let me try to keep up: if someone asks whether Martha Stewart might avoid jail time, I'll ask "Did Jeffrey Dahmer avoid jail time?"

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    - First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
  15. I'm still not worried. by OwnerOfWhinyCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    One hundred thousand lines of code will take 100 programmers two weeks.

    And we have them.

    Unless SCO produces a contract signed by Linus in 1990 granting them rights to all future derivatives, they won't even put a dent in Linux.