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GPL May Not Work In German Legal System

erbse2 writes "It may be that the (L)GPL can not be (fully) enforced under German jurisdiction. This is at least the conclusion professor Gerald Spindler of the jurisprudential faculty of the University of Goettingen came to when he examines the Legal questions of the open source software (It's long, it's complex and it's in German and it's written by a professor, so don't expect to understand anything, if you are not a German lawyer). Heise News has the article in German, however, the fish may be with you. IANAL, however, as one can put some of the legal problems aside, most of the concerns mentioned in there should provoke at least some thought by brave men around RMS."

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  1. No problem! by jsse · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's long, it's complex and it's in German and it's written by a professor, so don't expect to understand anything, if you are not a German lawyer

    We'd not read it even when it's short, simple and in English, so how hard could it be. :)

  2. Translation by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's a rough, carbon-based translation of the Heise news article. Please don't hold me liable for it :-)

    The Organization of German Software Industries (VSI) considers its view reinforced that using Open-Source-Software leads to jurisdictional uncertainties. On behalf of VSI, Professor Gerald Spindler of the law faculty at the University of Goettingen examined "Jurisdictional Questions of Open Source Software". In more than 100 pages he examines the situation from different perspectives: Author's Rights (Urheberrecht), Usage Rights (Verwertungsrecht), and Liability Rights (??, Haftungsrecht).

    Spindler spots jurisdictional uncertainties for all parties involved: Developers may be held liable if software does not work as expected, even if they only participated marginally in the development, rather than being a lead developer. Employers could walk on thin ice if they pay employees for writing Open Source Software. And buyers of such software must be prepared that liability is limited to the criteria common for items given away for free, i.e. severe negligence only.

    Although one could argue about one or the other detail of the study, it spells out many problems. The license that is probably most popular for free software, the GPL, is hardly considered to be fully enforceable in the German maze of laws. For VSI, the results are probably most welcome, in order to spread uncertainty among people interested in Open Source, who are currently watching the actions of SCO against IBM eagerly.

    1. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The question is, does this professor have any constructive suggestions on how fix the license? Or is Open Source as a concept really verboten in the German legal system?

    2. Re:Translation by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Spindler spots jurisdictional uncertainties for all parties involved: Developers may be held liable if software does not work as expected, even if they only participated marginally in the development, rather than being a lead developer. Employers could walk on thin ice if they pay employees for writing Open Source Software. And buyers of such software must be prepared that liability is limited to the criteria common for items given away for free, i.e. severe negligence only.

      But the same is valid for all commercial software in Germany too. EULAs have repeatedly been denied validity because of the german contract law. EULAs are a contract between you and the author of the software. But because you didn't buy the software directly from the author, but from a third party (the reseller, the company bundling the software with a computer etc.pp.), EULAs can't be enforced. All the author can impose on you is the priviledges he gains from the Author's Right (Urheberrecht).

      This makes software under GPL in no way different than any commercial software you buy in Germany from a liability point of view.

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      .sig: Sique *sigh*
    3. Re:Translation by BlueWonder · · Score: 5, Interesting
      So this guy is saying that the 'ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY' part has no effect in Germany?

      If you give something away without compensation, your liability is very limited under German law, anyway. In particular, you can only be held liable in case of gross negligence or premeditation. So, for software authors who just offer their software for download, this is not a problem.

      People who sell open source/free software (either written by themselves or someone else) might be held liable to a certain extent. In that, they're no different from people who sell propietary software.

    4. Re:Translation by Random+Walk · · Score: 5, Informative
      There is a group of German lawyers who have founded IFROSS, a private institution to study legal problems with open source in Germany. They have quite a few publication on this issue, including a detailed study of the GPL.

      They conclude that under German law, the authors liability is most probably limited to intentional damage and gross negligence.

      Also, they argue that clause 2 (allowing modifications) and clause 9 ("and any later version") may be problematic. The problem with clause 2 is that modifications of a program may (e.g.) tarnish the reputation of the author, and legally one cannot waive one's right to sue for that (at least in Germany). Also, apparently the author may claim that modifications violate the artistic integrity of her work. However, the analysis foresees problems mainly for works of art, rather than utility programs. Clause 9 is problematic because here the author waives rights for future usage modes that she cannot yet foresee. But licences can only apply to usage modes presently known.

      The baseline of problems with the GPL seems to be that in Germany (and, I think, also in other european states), waiving or selling of basic personal rights is usually not possible.

    5. Re:Translation by Narcissus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But there is no need to agree to anything on installation: the basis of the GPL is that there are no USE limitations. DISTRIBUTION, yes, but just because you didn't read the licence does not make you allowed to distribute, because you need permission to do so in any other case.

      The only way you are allowed to distribute the application is by agreeing to the GPL. Don't like it? Don't distribute it, but that will not stop you in ANY way from being allowed to use it.

  3. babelfish translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    ACHTUNG!!!
    Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy
    schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mit
    spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das
    rubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen und vatch
    das blinkenlights!!!


    ehh.. I think babelfish has been on the crack pipe again

  4. Re:Actually, the GPL hasn't exactly worked.. by prockcore · · Score: 5, Informative

    The SCO cases is supposed to be the first test, but that might not happen anyway.

    No, SCO is not challenging the GPL, SCO really has little to do with linux.. it is about two things, one, a contract dispute with IBM, two, ownership of derivatives (they claim that if you write code and license it to SCO for use in SysV, then SCO owns all rights to that code and you cannot take that same code and use it elsewhere).

  5. Translation of page 2 of the study by BlueWonder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    im Auftrag des Verbandes der Softwareindustrie Deutschlands e.V. (VSI) means that the study was paid for by the German association of proprietary software makers.

    1. Re:Translation of page 2 of the study by slimme · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you give a lawyer (or a professor) the task to examine a contract and make a list of all possible weak spots in the contract, he (or she) will do so. Of course this lawyer might find very strong elements, but he (or she) is not being paid to list them ;)

      So here you got a list with all things that might go wrong with the GPL in Germany. The same thing could be done with any contract (most contracts are dubious and open for interpretation).

      You should thank the opposition (VSI) for giving their money to investigate your contract. Read it wisely and improve where necessary.

  6. that doesn't make much sense by 73939133 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article says that even minor contributors to an open source software project might incur substantial liability if the software doesn't perform correctly, employers might be liable if they permit their employees to develop open source software, and yet users of open source software might not be able to get much protection if the software malfunctions. The whole thing sounds like scare tactics to me.

    This is not surprising, since the study was commissioned by the VSI, an alliance of closed source software development companies, whose members are the usual suspects: Microsoft, Sun, Autodesk, and others. I suspect that if the BSA commissioned something similar in the US, they could find a "legal expert" giving the same kind of opinion.

    In any case, if this really is the legal situation in Germany (or any other nation), the logical next step is to fix the laws. There is no reason to leave any legal uncertainty around BSD or GPL-like licenses: they are clearly one valuable and valid way of licensing software, and they are an important component of a free market in software.

  7. shold be a problem in brazil too... by protomala · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's just a matter that the laws where not made to allow such a thing, not that the country is against the license (and I belive this is the case in Germany). For what a friend told me (he participated of a law-software-class), in Brazil you can't give away a software you made, there isn't such a thing as a company owning code in Brazil, only the people who created a software own it and can't simply say: "ok, it's not mine anymore". How this work with derivative work is a questions I have no answer, but I belive that most contries will have on one or another way problems with GPL. This dosen't mean that a judge can accept the license, just that the law by itself wasn't made with GPL in mind.

  8. WARNING: THIS STUDY IS F.U.D. !!!! by quigonn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The study mentioned in the Heise article was commisioned by VSI ("Verband der deutschen Softwareindustrie", roughly translated "association of the german software industry"), and the VSI chairman is also the CEO of Microsoft Germany.

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  9. The responsibility for the product? by kompiluj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As I have skimmed through the professor's analysis (exactly 64 pages, not 100) I have noticed one single important point he tries to make: you cannot depend on OSS in case of some damage. The OSS (L)GPL goes against the german law voiding the guarantee of compensating damages. But what the hell guarantee you have using prioprietary software? Has anyone been compensated for loss due to Windows misbehaviour or, say, Oracle DB bug?
    The conclusion from this study IMHO is that generally software providers should compensate damages that software bugs cause, it should not only be the problem of the Open Source Community. From that point of view commercial licences are equally flawed.

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  10. He's right, kinda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This VSI page in English lists Rudolf Gallist as "chairperson" and this page in English shows that Rudolf Gallist was a "business leader of Microsoft Germany" from 1991-2000. So he hasn't worked officially for Microsoft in 3 years, but still, there is a connection...

  11. Re:Slam SCO, now GPL? by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    German courts are playing both sides, now?
    Well, first of all I hope that German courts (indead, all courts) decide cases based on their merits and current law, not on wether they like one side better. It's the task of the legislative power to make laws that prefer the side we like better ;-).

    Secondly, no court was involved, but a German Professor of Law wrote a study.

    And thirdly, the study was commissioned by a trade association of proprietary software companies -- what do you expect? Even without suspecting the author of willful misinterpretation, you can be sure that the sponsor carefully picked somebody who shared their vision or something to that effect.

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    Stephan

  12. Re:Actually, the GPL hasn't exactly worked.. by jodo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your's is a good analogy. But SCO distributed Linux under the GPL. They knowingly participated in this arrangement for years. The code was open for all to see. Right?
    Let's say SCO writes a song. I write a new verse and new vamp for the song. It's a hit. We go on tour together. SCO and I perform the song for years on tour. We sell concert cd's of the song with my verse and music included to our adoring fans. We make money. Suddenly (overtaken by an evil spirit) SCO says, "it's all mine now." Pay me! Or don't sing the song.
    In the end, I think it was SCO's responsibilty to know what they were doing with the GPL.

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    "Don't Follow Leaders." Bob Dylan
  13. Other problems with GPL vs. german law by __past__ · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet:

    As far as I understand, german "Urheberrecht" (not quite the same as copyright, more like "author's right") is basically inalienable. You can't just give away or sell your rights.

    One consequence of this is that germans cannot put their software or whatever in the public domain (well, they can, but it would involve dying, and even then it takes some years). Another thing I wonder about is the FSF policy of only accepting patches when the author transfers copyright to the FSF (fun question: why is the GPL not good enough for them?). A german developer cannot meaningfully do that. How can they accept contributions from german developers?