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Which Organizations Have Standardized on Mozilla?
andy brunetto asks: " We are investigating email clients to deploy as our "standard" at the college where I work. I'm trying to find out who is using Mozilla for their email. When I say "who" I mean organizationally, as I realize 99% of us geeks already use it. What organizations out there are rolling out Mozilla as their standard web and/or email client, and why? Yes, we are considering using Thunderbird, once it is final. Thanks!" Hopefully this will make companies realize that the Internet isn't comprised of just IE users.
Sun Microsystems is transitioning to use Netscape 7, which is close enough to Mozilla...
of our large R&D development community is using Netscape, mostly because these people are using mostly Solaris or some are using Red Hat (7.3/8/9).
The other half is ALL IE, Outlook, Exchange.
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I use KMail, it's quite a good mailer IMHO.
We rolled out IE5.01 using the IEAK (Internet Explorer Administration Kit). It would be a great thing if one could customize Mozilla in straight-foward manner for corporate deployments.
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Unless all your clients are running Win2k with the antitrust service pack, and have no permissions....you can't elminate Internet Exploder.
I've installed the Netscape versions of Mozilla on the systems I maintain, and urge people to use them. It seems to work.
All public workstations at Columbia University have Mozilla as their default browser.
[20:18:36] theLinGer asks: What percent of website hits originate from Internet Explorer? [20:18:49] Shit, I just looked this up an hour ago. [20:18:58] 50% MSIE ish. [20:19:22] CmdrTaco: I'll find it a second. [20:19:24] 35% Moz, 2% Konq [20:20:47] OK, FYI: Windows is 72% of traffic on Slashdot. From last nights forum on irc.slashnet.org
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I work with small businesses, anywhere from 5 to 100 users. I have 3 clients of 20, 25, and 45 users respectively all using mozilla mail. Hell, I even have the 45 person shop switched over (almost everyone) to the ALPHA thunderbird. I just don't need the hassle of outlook virus issues, the users who don't use IMAP can keep their POP mail on their /home directory n the server, the address book talks to LDAP. I use the latest SuSE mail server which integrates LDAP address books out of the box,as well as webmail.
I am switching to thunderbird because we have some corporate partners who have B2B websites that require IE5 or better, so I need to standardize on IE unfortunately. Thunderbird can invoke your default browser in windows, unlike Moz Mail.
Well, I love it, but not exactly in an enterprise setting.
Can you list some bugs please? I have used Mozilla as my sole email client for several years now and had no problems. This includes multiple incoming account using both POP and IMAP (had some problems with IMAP but they were servers not following the RFC's correctly and were fixed with a server patch once the vendor was notified), multiple SMTP accounts including one using SSL, multiple LDAP accounts, etc.
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Same thing inside IBM - many of the old-school AIX users absolutely refuse to use anything but Netscape 4.7 - all of the younger crowd that come in immediately go "blech!!" and download Mozilla 1.3 or 1.4. IBM is in the process of standardizing around Mozilla, or at least getting all it's WAN apps to work in it, and support for 4.7 will be sumarily dropped this summer.
Most of the reason for 4.7 still being in use is old-timer inertia. Most of the new crowd is using Linux and Konqueror or Mozilla anyway. Linux is here, Unix on the desktop is dying. Well, maybe not inside Sun...
My experience is that pages designed with css standards in mind almost never look ok in explorer. :-/ After my pages look ok under mozilla I always have to ask a friend to see it under explorer, and tell me what didn't work so I can work arround looking for ie problems.
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Newer versions of kmail will just display the raw html with a link at the top of the message pane that says:
Note: This is an HTML message. For security reasons, only the raw HTML code is shown. If you trust the sender of this message then you can activate formatted HTML display for this message by clicking here.
"Here" of course being clickable. Its pure entertainment looking at some of the truly evil Outlook-exploiting shit in some of them. I can easily read mails sent to me from trusted users with clueless clients and still not pull images from spammer servers. Kmail Just Works.
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46% Netscape Navigator 5
34% Internet Explorer 6
7% Internet Explorer 5
6% Opera 7
2% Konqueror 3
1% Opera 6
1% Safari
< 1% Netscape Navigator 4
< 1% Konqueror 2
< 1% Internet Explorer 4
< 1% Netscape Navigator 3
< 1% Opera 5
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"How do you know?"
I worked at Sun until May 2002. I have many friends who still work there whom I speak to daily. I often ask them about Netscape 4.7. I've long since dropped support for it on my own websites, but I'm hoping that the last few remaining holdouts will finally leave it.
If you still don't think I'm for real, ask any Sun employee what "dtmail" is. They will know exactly what you are talking about. Most of them will then go on a rant about it, just like I used to when I worked there.
"What 'standards' are you refering [sp] to?"
How about CSS1? Or nested tables? Or really, any standards-compliant markup? Don't even get me started on CSS2 or any moderately-complex CSS1 markup. My websites all validate to XHTML 1.0, but they don't work in Netscape 4. If you seriously believe that Netscape 4 works with web standards, I invite you to Google Netscape 4 sucks and read the many, MANY articles posted by infuriated web developers.
Personally, I use Mozilla, and it's great as far as standards-compliance goes. Netscape 6 is decent and Netscape 7 and 7.1 are fine. NS4, on the other hand, is a complete joke and a waste of time to develop for. It needs to disappear once and for all.
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Oh, please. These same systems work perfectly well with Mozilla et al on Windows, or with Linux. I've witnessed this personally. MSIE is a load of crap with the capability to bring down the entire operating system, and Microsoft has next to zero incentive to make it otherwise.
The only thing I can possibly grant you is that in Windows, drivers are generally written by the hardware manufacturer, as opposed to maintained by people who care about how well they work after the sale has been made. But then again, that's really a point for Linux, isn't it?