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Lexmark DMCA Case Winds On

The EFF filed a brief (brief, press release) in the ongoing case over Lexmark incorporating copyright-protected code in their printer cartridges in order to prevent competitors from producing compatible cartridges for their printers. The BBC notes some of the harmful effects of lack of competition in the industry.

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  1. Copy Protected Cartridges by My+name+isn't+Tim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work for a Printer supplies wholesaler and we had a supplier called MultiLaser that would Chip the Lexmark cartridges to be able to recycle them. Lexmark also had this prebate program where you would get a rebate if you agreed not to sell to recyclers.

  2. Re:Here's a thought... by RandomWhiteMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's acctually a big differene in Lexmark printers out there. Don't ever buy one from their home line of printers. I had one and it was broke after my first year of college. Their business class printers however are pretty decent. A friend of mine interned with them working on the business class drivers and claimed they were really good printers, but the home models sucked.

  3. Lexmark Don't even need the DMCA by autopr0n · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember Nintendo vs. Namco? Nintendo sued Namco for putting their copyrighted data sequence into their games so that they would work in the NES. Nintendo won the lawsuit, and this was years before the DMCA came out.

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  4. Re:Here's a thought... by cshark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Very interesting. It occurs to me that this could potentially have broader applications in either possible outcome. The thing I can't believe is why Lexmark doesn't just come out and apologize for doing something dumb. Putting chips like this in printer cartridges to begin with is nothing more than a dirty trick. Has anyone heard anything about the anti trust case against Lexmark that was filed by scc? Or was it thrown out?

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  5. The razor, razorblade model by DeadSea · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Manufacturers often sell the printer itself at below cost, expecting to make profits on the consumables. Consumables don't have to be just ink and toner. They can also be rollers, fusers, and other parts that are expected to wear out.

    There are so many players in the inkjet printer space that they are sometimes shooting themselves in the foot by going with this model. No manufacturer can offer printers at cost now because nobody would pay $250 for an inkjet. But at the same time, they lose money like crazy on certain types of buyers. Business travelers often buy a cheap printer at their destination rather than pack one. Consumers often get a new printer with each new computer they buy because the added cost in negligible. There are so many used printers out there, that they often cannot be given away.

    The industry itself would benifit from reform in this area. However, to make it happen, all manufacturers will have to charge more for printers and less for cartridges. If even one player sticks with the old model, that player will see all the gains.

  6. Wat printers can be easily/cheaply refilled? Dell? by emil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have avoided owning an inkjet because of the unreasonable consumables costs. I am glad that the EU will be investigating the cartel of printer manufacturers for illegal price fixing.

    If I were to purchase an inkjet, which model can be easily and cheaply refilled, and carries a durable printhead?

    I'd like to buy the ink by the liter, and I'd like the color match of the ink to be reasonably close to the OEM cartriges.

    Also, wasn't Dell going to enter this market and cut the price of the consumables?

  7. Re:Completely Legal by PetWolverine · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As an exercise for the reader, please propose suggested packaging disclosures for popular PC products such as Windows XP and Office...

    1. List all known bugs in the version in the box. Any bugs later found to have been known at the time of shipping the product will result in fines to the manufacturer, a portion of which will be distributed among affected users.
    2. List all known bugs in previous versions, along with the date of discovery and the date the patch was issued. If the list is too long to fit on the packaging, give the number of bugs found per previous version and the average time between bug discovery and patch.
    3. Disclose the End User License Agreement to which the user will agree by installing the software. No cop-out for this one; it must fit on the box in size-12 font or larger. No "For complete information, mail request to..." allowed either.

    Any more ideas?
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  8. Here's a *better* thought... by swordboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It would seem that the market would *love* a printer that would use generic commodity ink. Make a few bucks on the printer and let the rest of the industry battle out the ink pricing.

    A while ago, I modified an Epson to use large generic ink from a bottle (500mL each color). The printer dies before the ink ever ran out. Perhaps someone could manufacture a disposable printer? Just fill it with a crazy supply of ink and lock that bad boy up.

    This $50/cartridge thing has to stop sooner or later. Some manufacturer will realize that consumers will *pay* for a quality piece that doesn't institute the Gillete sales model.

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  9. Other dirty tricks of the printer industry by DeadSea · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Because they can often charge so much for ink, it is in the best interest of the printer manufacturers to make sure that you print as much as possbile and use as much ink as possible. Ever wonder why photo software comes with a printer? It takes a lot of ink to print a photo.
    • Built in pages that take a lot of ink to print.
      • Test Page
      • Demo Page
      • Menu Map
      • Configuration Page
      Watch out for full color pages or dark backgrounds.
    • Bundled software that encourages printing
      • Photo Software
      • Presentation Software
      • Publishing Software
    • Per job banner pages enabled by default
    • Composite black (using CMY color toner to make black rather than the cheaper black toner)
  10. Epson vs. Canon ink level reading by real_smiff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently replaced an Epson 800 with a Canon i850, and have been very pleased with it. Unlike Epson et all, which use chips or drivers to tell you/guess where the ink level is, Canon printers (possibly uniquely? i don't know) actually have a prism in the bottom of each cartridge, and shine a light through this. depending on whether this is covered with ink or not, from the refraction changes it can deduce how much ink is in there. thus it's actially *looking*, which seems to be the right way to do things... Anyway, i bought a big pack of ink and when they run out i'll be squirting more in with a syringe.. i've done it on someone else's printer and they never complained so i guess it worked :)

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  11. It's way too expensive also. by wackoman2112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to ThisIsLondon, Ink for home printers are 7 times more expensive than vintage champagne.

    They also claim that ignoring low ink warnings can double the life of ink cartridges. I wish I could ignore the warnings, as my Lexmark printer forbids me to print once 75% of ink is gone!

    Those greedy pigs!

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  12. Re:Wat printers can be easily/cheaply refilled? De by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dell's inkjets are just rebadged Lexmarks.

  13. DesignJet 5500 Ink Usage by diatonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, the HP DesignJet 5500 does track ink usage and will not let you print when the cartrige goes empty. It does this to prevent air from getting into the lines that feed ink to the print heads. If air gets into those lines you're in for an expensive repair. There are companies that sell ink refill kits, but it stops the printers ability to track ink usage (because the ink level becomes unknown) and the printer can't tell when the cartriges should be replaced. I'd recommend sticking with genuine HP supplies.

    .:diatonic:.

  14. Re:question by confused+one · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Any printer which doesn't include the print head with the ink cartridge is a good starting point. Epson is one example.

    Both HP and Lexmark cartridges are so expensive, in part, because the print head and some of it's intelligence is built into the cartridge.

  15. CCIA also filed an amicus brief by dcgaber · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Computer & Communications Industry Association also filed an amicus brief in this case both at the district level and now at the appealate level arguing that this is the exact type of activity allowed under DMCA's exceptions and that SCC is not violating the DMCA. Press release can be found here.

  16. It's not about the inkjets people. by aixguru1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All inkjet printers seem to have the same problems with the price of brand name cardtridges. That is also why there are so many companies making refillables that can "solve" the issue. The problem is the cost of toner cartridges in laser printers. I know roughly how much they go for, and it is expensive. My company has literally thousands of the Optra T series, and folks, it is a good printer for the money. Even with the expense of toner, it is still just as good or better than pricing on comparable HP printers. The lexmark will run you about $3000 for the decked out Optra T, the comparable HP will be around $10,000. Forget about the disposable printer argument and look at the real picture here. The cartridges from Lexmark are about 1/3 more expensive than the remanufactured ones. However, the quality of remanufactured cartridges is not supposed to be as good as the Lexmark cartridges. I have seen both and it does seem that the Lexmark ones are a little better. The whole point is that if you want to buy a office printer and not a home printer, do your research and try a few different ones before making the selection. Otherwise, buy a cheap on sale printer when you need a refill. speaking of which, I need to find cheap cartridges for my HP G48xi...

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