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RFID Industry Confidential Memos

An anonymous reader writes "Cryptome has learned www.autoidcenter.org (RFID flak) has made internal memos available for perusal at their site. Those RFID people sure have some interesting plans for the future. Who needs conspiracy theories, when you can hear it from the horses mouth? Weeeeee!"

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  1. Hopefully, the psyche will be turned-around... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Hopefully, the collective mindset that makes americans fear their government will be turned-around, and they will realize that they have far more to fear from the croporations who rule than from their pet minion government...

    And MAYBE they will take back democracy from those who have stolen it.

    1. Re:Hopefully, the psyche will be turned-around... by Arandir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A corporation has no power but that which a government has given it.

      This is not the fault of corporations, but of governments, which have decided to offer up portions of their power to the highest bidder. One way they have done this is to charter corporations. This allows the ownership of companies to be diluted to the point of meaninglessness, so that the owners' accountability for their companies' actions are zero.

      p.s. This is not a US problem, but a world problem. The two richest women in the world are European heads of state with nationalized petroleum corporations.

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  2. Re:So when you walk into a store... by ArsonPanda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some tags maybe built into the products that it would be impossible for us to remove them

    So just dont buy anything you're not willing to throw in the microwave for 10 seconds.

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  3. Not so bad by sweatyboatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Other than some lingo, these memos (judging by the highlites) don't seem particularly bad. People are afraid of the health risks of RFID tags? Well, people are stupid. They're bombarded by radio waves every second of every day.

    Some people will happily ignore reasonable explanations and cling desperately to their paranoid delusion. These people cannot be convinced otherwise. Rather they need to be brain-washed to get that stupid idea out of their head.

    The "green tag" idea sounds like genius.

    But an RFID conspiracy seems a little far to jump. The technology is in its infancy. It's not in everything, the opposite is true. But rest assured that an RFID Tag Canceler is in the works to milk money from the privacy obsessed.

    I may get one myself...

    I wonder if there's a patent.

    -tom

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    1. Re:Not so bad by Farmer+Jimbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I dont give a fuck about radio waves. I care about data being collected about me without my consent.

      Grocery stores give dicounts for those willing to have there purchasing patterns tracked.

    2. Re:Not so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But an RFID conspiracy seems a little far to jump.

      According to their own memos, the RFID has learned people do not want RFID. And their plans are to bludgeon people into accepting them until they become to prevailant to resist.

      In this task, they've assembled a long list of people, including government officials.

      Also, they mention specifically the usefulness of leveraging apathetic people, such as yourself, in forwarding the acceptance tags. They know the kinds of personalities in this game, and have a strategy for each of them. Personalities like yours are a piece of cake. Some people are just born to wear the brown shirt.

    3. Re:Not so bad by homer_ca · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, supply chain tracking would be the honest, non-intrusive way to use RFID tags. I have no problem tagging pallets or even tagging retail packages because the packaging gets thrown out. But why are they worried about privacy advocates and scare stories in the news if they're only tagging pallets. The only reason to tag the product and not the packaging is to track the consumer after the sale just like an animal on those nature shows.

    4. Re:Not so bad by Analysis+Paralysis · · Score: 4, Insightful
      When trying to assess privacy threats, you need to not only consider current uses, but also future ones. Now - RFID tags are being promoted for supply chain management (as if stores do not already know what is going where) and much has been made of the limited (2 metre or so) range that a reader can pick them up at. So what could happen?

      • A store installs RFID readers at all entrances/exits ("to detect and deter shoplifters") .
      • This scheme is expanded to cover all branches of that chain ("if a shoplifter enters another of our branches, we'll get 'em!") - data is then used to track repeat visitors and note their spend per visit.
      • Data is shared with other stores ("if anyone shoplifts, we'll all get 'em!") - data collected can then applied to calculate shoppers' movements. This can be linked with credit/store card information to tie movements to individuals - providing past shopping habits, a customer's complaints record (return too many items as faulty and you may no longer be served) and giving stores important information on how to increase impulse purchases.
      • This data is then passed on to third party marketing firms to collate with other personal information. Your shopping movements are now sold with details of your credit history, employment record and medical information. "Shopaholics" can be identified and either have their credit cut or offered incentives to patronise particular stores (depending on who uses this information). Police are provided with access in order to "cut crime" but are also able to track people for other purposes (e.g. automatic parking fines - "Sorry ma'am, according to your RFID record you spent 40 minutes in the town centre while only paying for 30 minutes of parking").
      • Crime prevention stepped up - RFID readers placed at strategic public locations (street corners, crossings) to allow for easier tracking of reported criminals. Activated tags included in Internet/mail order purchases in order to gain subsidies from third party marketeers who now have a substantial stake in "growing" the RFID database. Businesses pay for real-time access (funding the network's expansion) in order to be able to flash special offers to selected customers' mobile phones when they get close to a branch.
      • Microsoft introduce an OS for RFID chips - mass chip failures and security breaches then cause the whole scheme to fall apart and RFID is abandoned as an ignominious failure (OK, I'm making this bit up).
  4. Re:Microwave oven. by Pompatus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with microwaving clothing would be the shorts I have on right now, for example. They have a metal zipper. We all know what happens to AOL cd's when microwaved (if you don't know, try it. 5 seconds does wonders).

    Be careful what you nuke.

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  5. Re:So when you walk into a store... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It should be opt-in, not opt-out. Problem solved.

    The problem with opt-in is that nobody would ever opt-in. Even if you don't they will just say you did. Take all the opt-in spam I get. I never opted in for penis enlargement e-mail yet it says I did. Who are they to believe? The spammer said I opted in so I must've right? Yes, yes, I know, that's the point. Nobody would opt-in so the thing dies, but tell that to businesses. That's why opt-in will never be accepted by THEM.

  6. Yeah, like cigarettes... by VValdo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some people will happily ignore reasonable explanations and cling desperately to their paranoid delusion. These people cannot be convinced otherwise. Rather they need to be brain-washed to get that stupid idea out of their head.

    That's why I fully place my trust in governments and corporations to tell me what's healthy and what's not.

    After all, everyone knows that smoking is good for you. And there's no danger in mining uranium or genetically modified food or syphillis treatments or the drinking water, etc.

    Yep, if a big organization says it's safe, that's good enough for me.

    W

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  7. Re:They forgot something by Stiletto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Assess consumer reaction if press develop scare stories and develop best messages to pacify.

    This may have been modded "Funny" but it's actually quite informative. Of course us anti-corporatists have known this all along, but it's interesting to see these guys being so open and honest about their intent to "PACIFY" the "CONSUMERS". Look at any and all marketing today. It's all designed to pacify us in one way or another... to stun us, blind us, or numb our minds to what is really going on. The goal is to get us to be a bunch of nice passive cows, buying and believing everything we are fed.

    When someone brings up a concern, or protests the action of a large corporation or government, the powers that be go into spin mode, "developing the best message to pacify" the people.

    I'd love to see these Adolf Hitler try to run for president today. I imagine he'd hire these very same people to "construct a proactive framework to minimise negatives arising" and try to best pacify the pesky human rights folks...

  8. Let 'em know how you feel by jdreed1024 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OK, we've had our conspiracy theory jokes, and enough has been said about microwaving the RFID tags.

    Now, if you're actually upset about this, take 5 minutes and drop them an e-mail, or better yet, send them a letter (like, on real paper). Or call them. There's several feedback addresses and mailing addresses. That's what I'm going to do. Don't think "oh, 50 other people are writing, I don't need to", because those 50 other people are thinking the same thing.

    Politicians don't read slashdot. Hundreds of +1, Insightful posts don't mean anything in the long run, but if a politician receives several hundred letters telling him why this is a bad idea, he might just give it a second thought. Heck, call your local news program if you want. If it's a slow day, (or if it's FOX News) I bet they might be interested...

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  9. Or by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering that the slides are not complete without the presentation:

    "For privacy, we can make the RFID chips annihilate themselves."

    The word "auto-destruct" leads me to this interpretation... It doesn't make sense to talk about the "auto-destruction" of privacy but it makes perfect sense to talk about RIF chips destroying themselves.

    Tim

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  10. Re:You didn't look at the pages closely... by heli0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I know what the capabilities of the RFID systems are these days and there's not currently anything that could do what the alarmists keep saying is possible"

    According to this article the 500million tags that Gillette purchased "Alien Technology says its RFID tags can be read up to 15 feet away". And that is with the LEGAL readers the store is using. How far away can they be read with my illegal jiggawatt reader and directional antenna? How long will it take people to decode the 64-bit codes to determine which bits are brand/model/size/etc. and read the codes from great distances?

    They do not plan on disabling the tags when you leave the store either since one of Wal-Mart's listed benefits for RFID tags is "hassle-free returns".

    How long until I can point a directional antenna at your home and fire up my jiggawatt reader to determine if you have anything worth taking?

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  11. RFID -- good and bad by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can understand how an RFID tag could be really cool -- it certainly isn't hard to imagine all the neat things you could do with it. But it's easy to imagine how it can be dangerous. People who think about advertising or purchase tracking are aiming low on the danger level -- if that was the only problem, I'd say get over it, RFID is too cool, we can figure out a way to fix the other problems later. Really, how bad is targeted advertising?

    It's all the other tracking. We're talking about a potential record of everyplace a person goes. The government is clearly willing to abuse such information -- organizations like the FBI have abused just about every other piece of information they are given, and have never made any attempt at reform. And there's a resurgence of suppression and punishment of dissidents, including arrests and who knows what else.

    I wonder if there is a way that we could safely use this, though. Off the top of my head, here's the laws I might propose:

    First, all items with RFID tags must be prominently marked. I don't care if it's a "green tag" or whatever -- so long as there's no variety, and it's directly on the item (not on a label somewhere). Second, all RFID reading machines must be in plain site of any place that they can read, and must be prominently marked. Maybe a blinking green light too, or something -- make it a little obnoxious, and make the reader's intent very clear.

    Violation should result in heavy fines, but more importantly, a revokation of the RFID license -- the license to tag things with RFID sensors, to use readers, and all of that. You should not be able to simply risk it with not labeling the items properly -- because in doing it you risk being shut out of the game entirely. And obviously creating these tags should be carefully monitored, as should be fairly easy to do, since RFIDs are all about monitoring -- unauthorized ID numbers should be easy to track. The readers, though, would be harder to track... I imagine it won't be too long before you could rig up your own reader if you wanted.

    So... destruction of the RFID tag should also be fairly easy. All of these would be fairly reasonable, I think.

    Of course, this doesn't keep the government from breaking these rules on its own. And any law the government makes against itself will be ignored and grossly violated, because that's what the Justice Department does. So maybe this wouldn't work.

  12. Re:disabling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are battery powered RFID tags. And your "reflected" description is misleading. Know what a capacitor is? And RFID could store away energy from the cell phones of the people around you, or the countless other devices that use those frequncies. then it would just have to wait for the proper signal from a reader and release the stored energy in a large burst. It only needs to transmit a tiny amount of data. I don't think it would be too hard to make one that could do hald a watt for a thousandth of a second. but you wouldn't even need a half watt to go a mile under the right circumstances. Could do with far far less for distances of 100 feet or less.

    People really are hammering on this meme that "it's unconcievable RFID's can transmit with any range"

    It does seem to work in pacifying people. All kinds of chickenheads now trying to "debunk" the concept of RFID past a couple feet. It's pathetic because this continues after the RFID people came right and spoke at length about several disinformation campaigns that are being implemented.

  13. Something else bothers me... by gone.fishing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RFID is a tool. Tools can be used, tools can be abused. We can legislate controls that law abiding retailers will have to follow.

    But each RFID tag is a disposable piece of electonics. To manufacture this product, a wide variety of chemicals (including powerful acids and so on) have to be used. By employing them in such a ubiquitious manner aren't we polluting the environment needlessly? I have to imagine if 50% of all products sold had RFID tags in them that we would add hundreds of tons of dangerous chemicals into the environment every year!

    Perhaps the RFID tags should be obvious and recoverable so that they can be recycled! Maybe a deposit could be put on them so that the consumer can return them and get a few cents per unit back.