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Review Of Yopy 3700 Linux PDA

SecondToughest writes "Gizmodo has a recent post referring to a review of the new Yopy 3700 Linux-based PDA. The reviewer seems to like it: 'Overall, this is beautiful hardware. The design is compact when not in use, but when opened the Yopy is quite user friendly. The really great thing about this PDA is the presence of both MC and CF card slots. To me, this is almost the perfect PDA design.'"

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  1. Linux? by krog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't a PDA OS better suited to be a low-footprint gem like QNX?

    1. Re:Linux? by supun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depends. With Linux there is no license cost for the OS, with QNX there is. So if the cost of the extra memory to hold a bigger OS footprint, per unit, is less than the OS license, per unit, you'd go with the extra memory and Linux.

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    2. Re:Linux? by RevAaron · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Linux has become the way to go embedded on the cheap. If you don't need an RTOS, what in QNX are you paying for?

      Performance. A neat GUI layer. Much smaller memory use.

      On my brand new Zaurus SL-C760, there is 64 MB of *RAM* built-in. Why? This isn't "RAM" in the sense as it is on WinCE/PocketPC, where it's split between "program RAM" and stoarage space. It has a hopping 64 MB of dedicated to this, with 128 MB of Flash for storage. I just rebooted my C760 to find out the amount of RAM Linux+QPE takes out of the box: 18 MB! Compare that to 2-3 MB for WinCE, something similar for QNX, and something even smaller for PalmOS. (Granted, PalmOS leaves a lot lacking...) ...and you PalmOS folks thought WinCE was bad! :)

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  2. Not exactly in-depth review by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Informative

    Short but, well, short.
    Here's the full text, 'cause ya never know.

    Apart from Sharp's Zaurus line, you don't hear too much about Linux-based PDAs - Pocket PCs and Palms tend to receive the bulk of the attention. We'd never heard of the company before, but G.Mate has a new Linux-powered PDA out, the Yopy 3700, which has a 206MHz processor, 128MB of RAM, a CompactFlash expansion slot, a 65,000 color screen, and a built-in keyboard. William Hungerford gives it high marks:
    The Yopy is based on an eye-pleasing clamshell design. With the screen down the Yopy is about the same depth as a paperback book, making it about twice as thick as the normal PDA. Most of the depth comes from the well designed, built-in keyboard. In fact, this keyboard is much more agreeable to my fat fingers than other keyboards I've used. When you flip open the cover you're presented with a good looking TFT LCD screen. Overall, this is beautiful hardware. The design is compact when not in use, but when opened the Yopy is quite user friendly. The really great thing about this PDA is the presence of both MC and CF card slots. To me, this is almost the perfect PDA design.

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  3. For $499, it's hard not to consider the Zaurus... by bc90021 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reviewer does like the Yopy, but for an expected retail price of $499, you could get a Zaurus SL-5600 that has essentially all the same functionality, with a better processor (400MHz XScale as opposed to the older 206MHz). Granted, the 5600 only has 96MB RAM, but since they both have expansion slots, that's not really an issue.

    Also, the Zaurus already has a large developer community, and has drivers for things like wireless cards, and has plenty of software.

    I certainly don't want to see Yopy fail (competition is generally good, and having more Linux PDAs is good), but IMHO they should be offering a little more if they want to be competitive.

  4. So, it appears that... by Xeth · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...They've finally ported Linux to the GBA:SP. 'Bout damn time, too...

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  5. *Ahem*! by TheScienceKid · · Score: 4, Informative

    MMC and CF not MC and CF iirc

  6. Yopy vs. Zaurus by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Informative

    It packs more RAM and more battery life than the Z-5500, but the Z still has equivalent features - MMC/SD slot (that does NOT honor the DRM of SD cards, btw), a CF slot, plus IR. The Zaurus is under very active development at OpenZaurus.

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  7. Sync with Windows only? by FosterSJC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this a joke:

    "At this point the Yopy is only designed to sync with the Windows Operating System."

    So I am supposed to dual-boot, first developing my own software in Linux, then boot into windows just to load it onto the device. NO THANK YOU. Zaurus it is.

  8. Sounds good, but... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    does it run Windows CE?

  9. Is that a Yopy3700 in your pocket? by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    With the 128 megs of RAM, the Yopy really hums.

    That's all we needed now....PDA's that hum. Just build in a fan and heat sink, and we'll have people saying: "Hey, is that a Yopy 3700 in your pocket or are you really really really really happy to see me".

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  10. size by leomekenkamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the screen down the Yopy is about the same depth as a paperback book

    I'm sorry, but 69 × 103 × 24.7mm means that this pda is about 14.7mm too thick for me. IMHO a pda should easily fit in a pocket.

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  11. Distribution in Europe by joestar · · Score: 4, Informative

    For your information, the Yopy machines are distributed in Europe by "TuXMedia" which I can really recommend, smart and efficient people. They also do Linux development/hack for the Yopy. Here is the URL: http://www.tuxmedia.com/ .

  12. MMC and CF by iamacat · · Score: 4, Informative

    sounds like a bad design for a PDA. Memory cards are cheap and people would rather buy whatever kind than have bigger, fatter device. CompactFlash port, in particular is very bulky. As for plugins like a camera, USB would be a better interface. Doesn't it already have a USB port for the desktop?

    IRDA is also not really good for anything. People have to wiggle their devices for minutes just to send a business card. Forget about trying to HotSync with a laptop. Save that space for bluetooth or 802.11.

  13. You see by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... the majority of people (ie. non Slashdot crowd) who will buy a PDA don't give a flying toss about what the underlying operating system is.

    For them:

    • It must do all the general PIM stuff well
    • It must be stable
    • It must be feature rich
    • It must support whatever media they currently use (MMC, SD etc.etc)
    • It must sync with their computer (note they say "computer" when they generally mean "windows").
    The fact that it's Linux based is not going to be a major selling point. When your data is on MC and CF cards, thats a major selling point.

    A story: One of my co-workers asked me what I thought about the up and coming Linux based Motorola phone. My comment was that the fact it was running Linux makes absolutely no difference. If Motorola implement the same horribly awkward , difficult to use and ugly interface that they have then nothing will have really changed.

    The underlying OS is largely irrelevant, it's what runs on top that makes all the difference.

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  14. Vaporware no more! by Rudeboy777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This thing has been in development a looooong time, here's a mention of it in an April 2000 Slashdot article: (No release date announced indeed)

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  15. $499? by markv242 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It astounds me that PDA makers continue to believe that they can charge more than $250 for their hardware and get any serious amount of sales. I haven't noticed a whole lot of innovation from PDA-makers (other than the Hiptop) and their core functionality (contacts, appointments, notes) has been co-opted by everyone from the cellphone makers to Apple with the iPod.

    Until someone can give me some really compelling reasons to upgrade from my old Handspring, I will continue to use my money to purchase more reasonable hardware upgrades: that is to say, more RAM for the laptop, bigger drives for the desktop, etc.

  16. Re:Useability by defishguy · · Score: 4, Funny

    We touch them... hold them, caress them. We play tragically old video games... we listen to mp3s. We coddle them in our open hands. We surf and use them as replacement short-term memories because we can forget a lot of things like what we say. We surf and use them as replacement short-term memories because we can forget about a lot of things like what we say. We use them to create whole new reasons for illicit software download sites ($5.00 and I'll send you the url). We use them as gravity test units and to support the "small lcd screen" industry by purchasing many repair screens. Shoot! If I had a degree in "folklore mythology" I would even use it to help me search for a job :-)

  17. Perfect design...maybe, but the software? by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Also from that same review:

    Okay, now let's talk about the areas for improvement. Once I mastered the built in software, I was pretty much stuck. There are a few games included but that's about it. Until Yopy gets some Linux developers to help them out, there is very little software available. I also wasn't able to use my wireless card because of the lack of drivers. As I mentioned earlier, the lack of software isn't strictly a Yopy issue. Linux Operating systems for PDAs will only be as strong as the development community behind it. That brings up the next issue: at this point the Yopy is only designed to sync with the Windows Operating System.

    So to sum up:

    Very little software available

    Needs drivers

    Only syncs with Windows

    So what is the company hoping for?

    1. Linux geeks buy Yopy because it runs Linux
    2. Said geeks churn out software and drivers for it, because that's how it works in the open source world
    3. Sales increase because the Yopy is now attractive to the masses
    4. Profit!!!
    Why would the average PDA user purchase this instead of a Palm or Windows PDA? What can the Yopy do that existing systems can't? I am interested to see how this turns out...