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Few Companies Change Linux Plans Despite SCO Suit

gaurab writes "A survey on Internetweek says 'SCO's Linux lawsuit and threats seem to be having little affect on IT managers except to make them angry. Fully 91 percent of people responding to an InternetWeek Reader Question said they will not change their Linux deployment plans as a result of SCO's actions.' The article is also available at Yahoo!"

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  1. And the other 9%? by conway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are the other 9% thinking? Does anyone out there believe that SCO's and IBM's contractual dispute can do anything to make Linux liable in any way?
    (Event SCO itself said that Linux users are not going to be liable in any case).
    Its sad that some people are actually buying into this Microsoft-backed FUD.

    1. Re:And the other 9%? by Angry+Pixie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are people out there who do. I met some, but to be specific, the general consensus among them is that Linux is too risky to adopt because it's a stolen technology. Companies that use Linux could be punished for using an illegal product, Linux, and so ought not use it.

      But you have to understand, people like these aren't idiots. They have only heard the sound bites just like the vast majority of corporate world that isn't in IS/IT. They lack the background knowledge of the issue as well as the technical knowledge to be able to make an informed judgment.

      I still don't believe this is Microsoft-backed FUD. I haven't read any statements from MS that say "see, we told you so." Sure Microsoft benefits, but so does Apple, UNIX vendors who don't want to see Linux takeover, and Amiga users... Yes, Amiga users, they just sit there so smug...

    2. Re:And the other 9%? by Archie+Steel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nope. Because of the GPL, they can't sue a group and not another. And since they won't sue their own customers, Linux users (and distributors) are safe. In fact, since SCO continued to distribute Linux after announcing the suit and saying that it had proof of improper code allegedly found in the kernel, then it can be convincingly be argued that SCO distributed that specific code under the GPL and therefore made it Open Source.

      This is different from the contractual dispute with IBM. Even if they win this, they won't be able to touch Linux users, corporate or otherwise, nor won't they have anything against distributors. They kept on distributing SCO Linux for one month after announcing that Linux contained SCO-owned code. Now they'll have to live with that decision (probably not for long, though).

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    3. Re:And the other 9%? by metalogic · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But you have to understand, people like these aren't idiots. They have only heard the sound bites just like the vast majority of corporate world that isn't in IS/IT. They lack the background knowledge of the issue as well as the technical knowledge to be able to make an informed judgment.
      People who make judgement without proper background knowledge and careful thinking ARE idiots, IMNSHO.
    4. Re:And the other 9%? by ZvlvLord · · Score: 2, Insightful


      But you have to understand, people like these aren't idiots. They have only heard the sound bites just like the vast majority of corporate world that isn't in IS/IT. They lack the background knowledge of the issue as well as the technical knowledge to be able to make an informed judgment.

      So they lack the tech know-how, they're clueless about it, yet they 'think' it's stolen/illegal ? They're are idiots. Anyone who just hears something and repeats it is an IDIOT. Just because it happens to be in IT does not LESS of an IDIOT make you.

    5. Re:And the other 9%? by kcbrown · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But you have to understand, people like these aren't idiots. They have only heard the sound bites just like the vast majority of corporate world that isn't in IS/IT. They lack the background knowledge of the issue as well as the technical knowledge to be able to make an informed judgment.

      That's precisely why they are idiots -- they refuse to learn what they need to know to make a sound decision, instead preferring to make those decisions based on sound bites and media bullshit. And worse, they refuse to delegate the decision to someone who is willing to put in the time to figure things out.

      I could excuse them if they weren't actually making decisions about this stuff.

      People like that are a marketer's dream, and have no business making company-wide decisions of any kind.

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  2. Like this wasn't obvious by ad0gg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When Rambus started suing DDR ram manufactors. Did it effect the DDR ram market? No. When MS was sued for antitrust violations did it effect their market? No.

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    1. Re:Like this wasn't obvious by tuba_dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good points, but those are almost entirely home/small business markets, where individuals are buying what they want to buy. In a corporate environment, even the slightest possibility of a lawsuit can change the management's decisions. Fortunately, cooler heads seem to be prevailing (for once, woohoo), and you may be right. Hopefully nothing big and nasty will come of this.

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  3. 9% is a lot by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd be more interested in the 9% of people who said the suit *is* affecting their decisions. What are the reasons behind that response?

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    1. Re:9% is a lot by Ian+Lance+Taylor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are correct that the SCO is suing IBM on the basis of code developed by IBM which SCO claims is a derivative of the Unix code which SCO owns.

      However, SCO also claims that code has been copied directly from Unix to Linux, and that Linux is thus tainted. SCO apparently sent letters to 1500 Linux customers warning them that they may be using code which is owned by SCO. That is the basis of the concerns of Linux users. It's true that there is no actual lawsuit yet about this code.

      I continue to expect SCO to announce a Linux Licensing strategy. I understand that the fact that SCO has distributed Linux code itself may make that strategy fail in court. But I wouldn't be surprised if SCO could collect some money for Linux licenses before the court case was finished. I expect that that is what SCO will be hoping for.

  4. Funny by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've read many comments here and in other forums complaining about clients and bosses citing the SCO mess as a reason to put off Linux implementations/rollouts/development. All one needs to do is look through all the SCO articles posted in the past month or so.

    I guess that goes to show you - 56.2% of all statistics are untrue.

    1. Re:Funny by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Insightful


      I've read many comments here and in other forums complaining about clients and bosses citing the SCO mess as a reason to put off Linux implementations/rollouts/development. All one needs to do is look through all the SCO articles posted in the past month or so.


      Sure - some will be affected by this issue. But are these cases a true indication of the impact to the IT environment?

      I've seen the same posts complaining about forced migration and interupted plans based on fear. But it wasn't until yesterday that I posted my own experience of not only being unaffected, but actually increasing Linux deployment.

      Are these posts themselves reflective of the situation or just a vocal minority?

      Keep in mind that this forum has always been rife for complaints about stupid IT management decissions. Heck - most of them used to be about how one couldn't even MENTION Linux at the workplace. Did this indicate that Linux was doomed to remain in the realm of the hobbiest? Certainly not.
  5. Incomplete Data by SamBC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That survey is of course meaningless unless we can link it to peoples pre-existant deployment plans. If they weren't planning to deploy linux anyway, it doesn't mean much.

    Just an obvious point - it's still better than a lot of people saying that they plan to stop using it.

  6. Uh... by gpinzone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If a Fortune 500 company is using Linux and SCO prevails, you don't think that's going to prompt the PHBs to dictate a change in OS? Yeah, the geeks in the trenches don't care, but tell that to the company's law department.

    BTW, yeah, yeah; If SCO wins, there will be an appeal. However, the damage is already done. What business is going to wait and rely on a higher court overturning the ruling?

    1. Re:Uh... by GammaTau · · Score: 3, Insightful

      BTW, yeah, yeah; If SCO wins, there will be an appeal. However, the damage is already done. What business is going to wait and rely on a higher court overturning the ruling?

      If SCO wins, SCO has won the SCO vs. IBM case over trade secrets. No other cases exist yet. They can't win anyone else unless they sue. Also, they can't sue anyone else about those specific trade secret violations. They must come up with something else.

      I believe that the best counterargument to speculation around "what if SCO is right?" is "what if SCO is right about what?" They have made so many accusations (some of which are clearly false or conflicting with each other) that it doesn't make any sense to figure out what they're really about to do.

      SCO can sue Linux kernel developers. Someone else can sue Microsoft Windows developers for something. Also, BSD developers and MacOS developers can be sued too as well as Solaris and QNX developers. But until there's a real lawsuit with real evidence, there's no point in worrying.

  7. This is a testament... by Sevn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To the attention span and the attention to detail
    that the kind of manager that would implement an
    open source solution for a problem would possess.
    It's obvious that when you are dealing with a
    company already smart enough to pursue a GNU/Linux
    solution for a problem, they are going to be smart
    enough to see through SCO's obvious bullshit. :)

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  8. Like cigarette companies. by twitter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In public they admit smoking causes cancer. When you sue them, they change their tune. In court they say all your other evil habits caused it. One example I was given was oral sex. The company said the plaintif could have gotten cancer from oral sex because, they asserted without proof, he was covered in herpes from head to toe. The ignorant jurry bought it and hundreds of other things like common vegtables.

    In public SCO will say you should never use Linux . In court, sued for defamation, they will say their advice had no effect.

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  9. How Statistics Lie by Komodo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    91% will not change their plans.

    That means that 9% WILL.

    It's probable, based on the nature of the case, that they will not be changing their plans in favor of linux.

    Also, of the remaining 91%, how many of them planned to not use Linux at all? If only 9% of IT managers planned to use Linux in the first place, and now 9% of them are changing their minds, then that would indicate that Linux is about to get wiped out. That can't be the case either, but it's one possible interpretation of the figures.

    Bottom line: Statistics can be used to make convincing lies. Most surveys are unscientific in the extreme. And SCOX is still a bunch of bastards.

  10. I don't care... by metatruk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And you shouldn't either. Anyone who makes their business decisions like this based on what SCO has said deserves to lose.

  11. The real message by Teahouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The real message when you read between the lines is one we have all known for a long time. SCO is killing themselves with this suit. Animosity is all they will win whether the case is in their favor or not. They have pissed everyone off.

    I am also guessing someday we will find that Microsoft offered it's legal department to help SCO with this. They lose nothing, and COULD eliminate two competitors with one stroke.

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  12. Re:just ask the RIAA by TCM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Opponents? Potential customers..

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  13. The Important thing here is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... that CEOs and Presidents will read this article and see that (despite what the /. crowd thinks of statistics) an overwhelming majority isn't changing their plans in responce to this. Keep the CEOs interested and the IT department can play whatever cards it chooses.

  14. Liability for end-users of IP-tainted products? by Empiric · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Expanding on Jeremy Gross' point, are there any domains in which a purchaser/user of a product which has (allegedly) incorporated others' IP can be held personally liable?

    If I buy a CD recorded by a musician who has "sampled" another's song and incorporated in his track, surely I cannot be held liable for this, or even required to return the CD.

    If my copy of the New York Times includes and article which the author has plaigarized from another source, I doubt any legal authority is going to "recall" my newspaper, or prosecute me for my quarter investment.

    These seem more directly pertinent than the Mazda-Ford analogy, as a Linux distro seems more like a publication than a physical product, though the same principle, I would think, applies.

    Perhaps the issue grows slightly murkier in the case of a downloaded copy of Linux; in this case conceivably the argument could be made that the user has personally copied a copyrighted chunk of code. Maybe for thorough self-protection, Linux sysadmins would be best advised to buy an off-the-shelf distro of Linux, to point at if the lawyers ever show up.

    If this threat/argument from SCO ends up being found baseless and/or absurd, aren't they in the position of having interfered with the business of several thousand companies via their letters, baselessly and in pursuit of money, i.e. "extortion"?

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  15. Re:Yes, but these are REAL people by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note: I'm flaming, but not at you personally.

    These are people responding to an internet poll. It doesn't matter what sort of business decisions the respondents control. Polls taken over the Internet have zero scientific validity. They can be rigged. They can be stuffed with ballots. People who vote will forward the poll to people who see the issue the way they do.

    Above all, they aren't taking a random sample of the relevant population. People self-select. Even barring all the other problems, this one alone destroys the validity of the poll.

    If you're trying to use this poll to figure out how SCO is doing in the court of public opinion, you may as well fall back on tea leaves.

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  16. Re:just ask the RIAA by MyHair · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How do EITHER of these mindless organizations think they will succeed?

    It seems to me that they realized they've already failed. Apparently they don't have better jobs available, so they're putting on a big show to distract everyone from they fact that they have no viable product and no useful services.

  17. Re:Possession vs use by Empiric · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Again, I'm asking for actual legal precedent or trends of this for any domain to which copyright applies.

    Continuing my original analogy, despite the fact that recent copies of the New York Times have (as I recall) demonstrably contained plaigarized material, I do not believe the original copyright owner even can demand that I give it back or cease to "use" it. Nor does this make any of the millions of readers outlaws.

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