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Marriage May Tame Genius

theodp writes "Here's one to share with the wife and kids. Using a database of the biographies of 280 great scientists, a psychologist at the University of Canterbury in New Zealand has concluded that creative genius is turned off almost like a tap if a man gets married and has children, regardless of age."

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  1. Output, not potential by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being married--and raising children--is hard work.

    Most recognized genuses have the luxury of working with little to no distraction. When you have a wife, financial trouble, and screaming children, it's rather hard to plumb the secrets of the universe.

    This is no surprise to anyone.

    1. Re:Output, not potential by cshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't really agree with the results of this test. I've been married for five years, and I'm more creative than ever. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have a happy stable relationship with someone who shares many of my interests.

      But most geniuses make bad relationship decisions. In fact, most of the other geniuses (especially computer programmers and physicists for some reason) that I know are morons in this area. So how about this.

      Marriage itself doesn't necessarily cause brain impotence, bad choices in interpersonal relationships do.

      So kids, the moral of the story...
      Don't think with your dick.

      So there.

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  2. People change their priorities. by rkz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are young single and have no children you obviously value your work very highly. Marriage is not too bad, your work is still important but your wife takes away from your work slightly.
    I belive the biggest change comes when your children are born, after which your whole life changes. You no longer live for yourslef but ever decision is based on the children. They are the most important thing in your life, work is nothing....!

    A proud father.

  3. Fruedian article. by u19925 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:

    Dr Kanazawa suggests "a single psychological mechanism" is responsible for this: the competitive edge among young men to fight for glory and gain the attention of women.

    Isn't this what Freud said nearly 100 years ago?

  4. Re:D'OH! by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wonder if its that the genius just turns off, or if it's just that you don't have as much time available to do genius stuff. Fact is, I know I produced much better code much quicker when I was single and could do development from 9pm to 5am. That kind of goes out the window once you get married... I don't feel stupid, but I do feel my creative and technological output has gone down since I got married.

  5. I could use more of BOTH! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, before I was all 'boyfriend' I was such a fun-loving punk-assed drunk of a geek, and it was FUN! I'd pop pills and drink all the time and geek for days on end. I learned so much back then, it would take me a decade to learn now what took only twoi years when I had that sort of... un-focus in my life.

    Now I'm so tired from the commute and the 9-to-5 and I have to pay attention to all this other shit (cats, girlfriend, email, bills, car care, lawn, landlord) I don't have any room left for being creative.

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  6. Losing the competitive edge or getting a life? by trillian42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Dr Kanazawa suggests "a single psychological mechanism" is responsible for this: the competitive edge among young men to fight for glory and gain the attention of women. "

    As a young female scientist, I object to the slightest intimation of the idea that the only way good science gets done is because young (presumably male) scientists are trying to compete for female attention. How many young male scientists out their have managed to impress girls with their thesis results anyway?

    On the other hand, I find it entirely plausible that scientists of both genders who get married and have families often find their priorities rearranged. Discovering that having a family means a less obsessive attention to your career shouldn't be a surprise to anyone with a balanced view of life.

    Luckily for many male scientists at institutions such as the one where I'm a student (MIT), they DO have wives who often stay home at least part time, enabling them to maintain something close to the obsessively competitive hours they put in before marriage and kids. That applies for all but one of the male professors in my department. For female scientists, it's much rarer to have a house-husband. The two female professors in my department only manage because their salary combined with their husband's allows them to hire people to help with household chores and raising the kids. Any female scientist who can't come up with a substitute for a housewife finds it very, very difficult to compete.

  7. Genius/Creativity vs. Stablity/Happiness by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the mechanism here isn't the oversimplified, neo-Freudian "competitive edge among young men to fight for glory and gain the attention of women." That would imply that only men lose their creative edge when their priorities shift.

    A broader look at the subject would show a parallel with a more modern topic: anti-depression medications. There are plenty of examples of highly creative people -- geniuses in their fields -- whose creativity would likely have been quashed if they'd had access to a good Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor. Poet Emily Dickinson and artist Vincent Van Gogh come to mind, but I'm sure there are many others.

    The problem, as I see it, isn't that having a family takes something away from a would-be genius... any more than an appropriate dosage of Prozac does. What both do, ideally, is give the person a sense of contentment, a feeling that things are the way they should be.

    Creativity, in the end, often requires adversity to bring it out. Remove the adversity, and the creativity (or "genius") may seem to be extinguished. But as the examples in this discussion show -- Bach, Hawking, et al -- it is possible to achieve both genius and happiness. It just doesn't happen very often.

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  8. Re:Aw, cripes by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Darn. I recently got married, and will probably soon have children :P

    Of course, maybe it is just that the creative genius changes to some extent.... Obviously children require a creative attitude towards, so maybe they become the focus of the creative genius instead of things like computers, physics, etc... What do you all think?

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  9. Re:Aw, cripes by whorfin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Raising children doesn't require genuis, it requires endurance.

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  10. Re:Aw, cripes by iocat · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Don't tell the dude who solved Fermet's last thoerem, who was picking up one of his kid's toys when he had an eureka moment that really helped along the way to solving the problem! He got married, had kids, and passed the usefull age of your average smarty pants mathematician, before solving the problem...

    Of course his wife was like "All I want for my birthday is a Proof" (probably not adding, "so I can start nagging you about taking out the garbage!")

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