Re:One step closer to Linux
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FredFnord
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· Score: 3, Interesting
> (BTW, I resent your usage of "you", since I'm merely playing devil's advocate)
If you are given to resenting being called stupid, you should learn not to play devil's advocate.
This is not a slur... I play devil's advocate all the time, and I get called stupid all the time. But then, I have a thick skin.
-fred
-- Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose:
You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
new update nice...
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Interesting
I have the new Panther and the new update was very welcome. The changes made that I have noticed are a bit more stable (hasn't unexpectedly quit anything since, versus a couple of times before). Also, one cool feature is that in mail when you type in an email that matches someone in your Addr. Book or someone in your email list then it creates a button like image (like the new icon text with bgcolors). It makes it really simple and clean!
Panther rocks. If you don't have it, please don't be bitter. Be patient, it will come.
Screen saver not completely fixed
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Ineffable+27
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· Score: 2, Interesting
According to macfixit.com, the screen saver bug re. long passwords is fixed, but the other bug remains: the one which allows programs to be quit while the screen saver is on, as long as 'keyboard access' to the dock is turned on.
-- "He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." - Steve Jobs on Bill Gates
Re:the reason why they'd do this
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soullessbastard
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Well, there may be more people who have Panther legally then just WWDC attendees. Apple does have a Software Seeding Program which has been around for years. While I don't have a seeding key to be a member of the program any longer, I expect Panther builds are part of it.
Not all WWDC attendees are necessarily in the seeding program to download updates to prelrelease software, so there is a valid reason aside from piracy tracking to put the update in Software Update instead of just in the seeding site.
Still, even if you are tempted to download and install illegally, or if you have it legally and are thinking of installing it on your main machine, there's a good reason not to use it except on test machines. Read the license carefully...one of the sections of the license implies that the OS and dev tools are time limited and will stop functioning after a certain date.
The only folks I can see this hurting are those who don't heed the recommendations of putting seed software only on test machines, or those who got Panther betas illegally and didn't bother to read the fine print.
There are also rumors that you will not be able to install 10.3 GM on a machine running one of the prereleases. A friend at a large company told me that their company recommended that their employees be very careful about where they install Panther previews and to not put it on their main work machines.
I'd conjecture that the workaround is to go back, reinstall a clean copy of 10.2, then put GM on there (or other OS when the preview expires). But no one can be certain until the day 10.3 GM comes.
Remember, Panther is beta software for testing purposes. Given what I've learned, I'd caution everyone to treat it as such.
Re:the reason why they'd do this
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 1, Interesting
I thought about this before installing the update... But then I just decided to install it anyway. I am a member of apple's developer connection, but not a paid member. I wish there was a way to get in on the Beta program without paying $1500, because I've found several bugs with it that I have not been able to find anyone mention on the message boards.
I fully plan on buying Panther when it's released, but I wish Apple would allow me to contribute to their product to help track down bugs.
Wish it were so
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Lysol
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· Score: 2, Interesting
I'm part of the seeding program and I can guarantee you 1000% that neither Apple's Xcode nor Panther are available on the ADC or via the developer DVD - last one I just got was for July '03.
As I understand it, the *only* people that got copies of Panther, possibly besides corporate partners, were people that attended the WWDC. After watching the keynote at the Apple store in SOHO, I was bouncing off the walls for weeks trying to get a copy. But now, even tho it's avail as a torrent, it's like, meh, I'll wait. The need has worn off and I got work to do.
> (BTW, I resent your usage of "you", since I'm merely playing devil's advocate)
If you are given to resenting being called stupid, you should learn not to play devil's advocate.
This is not a slur... I play devil's advocate all the time, and I get called stupid all the time. But then, I have a thick skin.
-fred
Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
I have the new Panther and the new update was very welcome. The changes made that I have noticed are a bit more stable (hasn't unexpectedly quit anything since, versus a couple of times before). Also, one cool feature is that in mail when you type in an email that matches someone in your Addr. Book or someone in your email list then it creates a button like image (like the new icon text with bgcolors). It makes it really simple and clean!
Panther rocks. If you don't have it, please don't be bitter. Be patient, it will come.
According to macfixit.com, the screen saver bug re. long passwords is fixed, but the other bug remains: the one which allows programs to be quit while the screen saver is on, as long as 'keyboard access' to the dock is turned on.
"He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." - Steve Jobs on Bill Gates
Not all WWDC attendees are necessarily in the seeding program to download updates to prelrelease software, so there is a valid reason aside from piracy tracking to put the update in Software Update instead of just in the seeding site.
Still, even if you are tempted to download and install illegally, or if you have it legally and are thinking of installing it on your main machine, there's a good reason not to use it except on test machines. Read the license carefully...one of the sections of the license implies that the OS and dev tools are time limited and will stop functioning after a certain date.
The only folks I can see this hurting are those who don't heed the recommendations of putting seed software only on test machines, or those who got Panther betas illegally and didn't bother to read the fine print.
There are also rumors that you will not be able to install 10.3 GM on a machine running one of the prereleases. A friend at a large company told me that their company recommended that their employees be very careful about where they install Panther previews and to not put it on their main work machines.
I'd conjecture that the workaround is to go back, reinstall a clean copy of 10.2, then put GM on there (or other OS when the preview expires). But no one can be certain until the day 10.3 GM comes.
Remember, Panther is beta software for testing purposes. Given what I've learned, I'd caution everyone to treat it as such.
I thought about this before installing the update... But then I just decided to install it anyway. I am a member of apple's developer connection, but not a paid member. I wish there was a way to get in on the Beta program without paying $1500, because I've found several bugs with it that I have not been able to find anyone mention on the message boards.
I fully plan on buying Panther when it's released, but I wish Apple would allow me to contribute to their product to help track down bugs.
I'm part of the seeding program and I can guarantee you 1000% that neither Apple's Xcode nor Panther are available on the ADC or via the developer DVD - last one I just got was for July '03.
As I understand it, the *only* people that got copies of Panther, possibly besides corporate partners, were people that attended the WWDC. After watching the keynote at the Apple store in SOHO, I was bouncing off the walls for weeks trying to get a copy. But now, even tho it's avail as a torrent, it's like, meh, I'll wait. The need has worn off and I got work to do.