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AOL: Amazon Who?

theodp writes "America Online said that it is now selling DVDs and CDs directly as part of its push into digital music, ending a temporary link it had with Amazon.com until it was able to do so itself. The step to sell physical CDs and DVDs is part of AOL's efforts to get a bigger share of the digital music pie to offset shrinkage in its dial-up Internet service and the slump in ad spending. AOL plans to build on its music offerings, which now include online music subscription service MusicNet, with a digital music store that will let users burn as many songs to CDs as they want."

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  1. What genius figured this out? by gpinzone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "We need a way to boost our profits now that everyone is dropping our worthless service and getting cable and DSL. Hmmm... I know! We'll sell music! Now that Napster is gone, we don't have to worry about piracy anymore. Wait 'till our stockholders hear this! This is almost as great as my idea for AOL Airlines."

    1. Re:What genius figured this out? by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly - there was a recent article over at Slate comparing Amazon to QVC, basically making the case that QVC has been miles ahead of Amazon in terms of actually generating profits. So why is AOL pursuing a strategy that's proven to be a low-margin, highly competitive one? Who knows, they're desperate...

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  2. Amazon by xintegerx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Such a sad day for the company. They just lost an agreement with the biggest CD distributor in the country.

  3. The end for the middle men? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With the labels and the studios getting more and more involved in distributing directly to the customer, is this signalling the end for the middle men?

    People like Amazon will have a hard time selling music if everything from AOL Time Warner and Sony (for example) is only available direct. After all in the online space AOL TW has absolutley no need of Amazon - they are a big enough brand that people will be happy enough to buy things from them, and location is not an issue.

    Unfortunatly I can't see the removal of the cut that the middle man gets going to the consumer or even the artist.

    It'll be a good things for us geeks on a digital boycott of DRM enabled media however - you won't have to go looking to find out which ones are AOL TW productions, you can just avoid shopping at their e-store :o)

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    1. Re:The end for the middle men? by John3 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It could be the end for "middle men" like Amazon, but it might be a boon to local retail stores. Two of the primary reasons for retailers were distribution and returns. Manufacturers could not profitably sell one or two pieces of a product at a reasonable price.


      The manufacturer's plants are built to package and distribute cases and pallets of materials via truck freight, not individual sales units via UPS. They rely on retailers to break down the product to individual selling units and present the product for sale. Online retail has evolved to bring the costs down (expansion of UPS and other carriers, centralized distribution, computerized inventory control) so a manufacturer can effectively become a retailer.

      However, there are still kinks to be worked out with returns. We offer UPS shipping services at our hardware store, and unhappy consumers are constantly returning stuff to Amazon, QVC, etc., griping about what a hassle it is. It's much more convenient to return a product to a local retail store...quick exchange, no return shipping fees, and potentially the opportunity for the retailer to sell additional product while the customer is back in the store. Local retail stores still have a big advantage by offering convenient returns, so there is still hope for the middle man.

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  4. Uhh huh. I see it coming by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first step is to sell CDs directly without Amazon.

    The second step will be when Amazon's name mysteriously disappears from AOLs DNS servers.

    Third? The lengthy court battle...

  5. Will AOL become the Microsoft of the internet ? by Krapangor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It seems that AOL aquires more and more customers and expands itself to more and more services.
    It story seems to me very similar to the history of Mircosoft:a single company with a proprietary, incompatible products steadily increased their market share by aggressive advertisement until they became the dominant monopolist.
    Don't be fooled by the fact that AOL is just a service provider. If they control over 70 percent of the internet access of private customers all players in the network business would have to follow their word and do their bidding. They could dominate standards bodies and in fact enforce proprietary standards locked by IP and patents on the whole internet.

    This makes me wonder if it's now time for a GPL service provider. By following the principles of the free software movement, they could set up free WIFI access to the internet. This would have the nice side effect that the US goverment won't be able to censor the internet any longer. Furthermore we might get all free broadband access without paying huge fees to greedy companies which do nothing for the community.

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  6. Dilemma by mrpuffypants · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I realize they're talking about buying CDs and DVDs, but eventually they'll have to move it into Internet downloads like Apple's iTMS.

    Obviously they're use some type of DRM (most likely developed by their A/V gurus at Nullsoft....Frankel'll love that one), but once an AOL user leaves the collective will they still get to take their music with them or will they require AOL for the rest of their adult life?

    That it, until they lose another $99,000,000,000 this year and are forced out of business :)

  7. it'd be so smart by TomSawyer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It'd be so smart of them to leverage their Time Warner division by giving buyers of their own stuff the right to download the MP3s on the spot so they can listen to the music while their CD is in the mail.

    Or maybe just set up a playlist they can stream off the order status page of whatever they ordered. Once the order is fulfilled the playlist can go away along with the order page.

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  8. Free Music? by heli0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why not just offer free streaming music of the entire TimeWarner collection of artists to AOL users? Seems like a decent way to attract customers.

    AOL does own the following artists' works: Frank Sinatra, Fleetwood Mac, Eric Clapton, Neil Young, James Taylor, The Grateful Dead, Talking Heads, B-52s, Doobie Brothers, Little Feat, Van Morrison, The Ramones, Depeche Mode, The Kinks, Paul Simon, Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Miles Davis, Randy Newman, Dire Straits, Prince, Emmylou Harris, Madonna, Linkin Park, Enya, Faith Hill, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tom Petty, R.E.M., Disturbed, Goo Goo Dolls, Blake Shelton, Trick Pony, Seal, Green Day, Sixpence None The Richer, Steely Dan, Josh Groban, The Flaming Lips, Jaheim, SK, D'Mello, Souljahz, Brad Mehldau, Joshua Redman, Pat Metheny, Robert Randolph, The Used, Glassjaw, and Barenaked Ladies; as well as thousands of others.

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  9. Amazon.screwed by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There are so many guns pointed at Amazon.com right now, I would say that the future of the firm is threatened. The loss of AOL is a minor issue. Amazon more directly faces undercutting from capable shipping merchants all over the web. Walmart beats Amazon on price nearly 100% of the time now. Overstock.com is also beating Amazon on items in stock. Amazon is also a massive debtor in markets with razor thin margins and massive competition. The massively overinflated AMZN stock is now subject to huge shorting positions, making it even harder to compensate employees in the future (almost anyone joining now will have underwater stock in two years).

    It will be interesting to see if they are around in five years.

  10. Quick, we're sinking! Bolt on more lifeboats! by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Okay, so let's see if I understand this correctly...

    AOL, one of the largest (and arguably hoariest) national internet service providers around, is losing business because of some questionable business practices and needs to generate more revenue.

    In order to do this, they've severed ties with a prominent internet business (Amazon) and are going to attempt to run their own physical media music store...

    ... bearing in mind that the music industry is also taking a royal screwing due in one way or another to their own questionable business practices. People are avoiding buying CDs for whatever reason. (Either because they can get their music online through P2P, because they think the current catalog selections are tepid crap, or because they are trying to boycott the industry. More likely a combination of the three.)

    Excuse me? Where's the sense in this?? If you have a business model that's doing poorly, you are not supposed to tack on another business model that's also doing poorly! If the problem is too much fat, the solution is not to tack more on.

    As someone at Adbusters said, "Economists must learn to subtract." While the specific application is different in this case, the basic principle holds true for most businessmen, accountants, and marketers who can only think of "bigger" and "more profitable" and not "streamlined" and "more responsible."

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  11. I bought a CD direct from Warner Records by Tiro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bought Less Than Jake's new CD called Anthem in a prerelease special. Buying direct from the record company gave me the bonus of having it [supposedly] autographed by all five members of the band, but guess what else? It was copy protected.

  12. Re:Uhh huh. I see it coming by cpeterso · · Score: 2, Interesting


    or a more legal method might be to secretly slow down all traffic to amazon.com from AOL's Walled Garden. How would anyone find out? Amazon.com still works; it's just twice as slow.