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Online Voting In 2004 To Require Windows

letxa2000 writes "According to this article at CBS, a trial Internet voting system will be made available to 100,000 voters in 2004--particularly military and overseas U.S. citizens. As an American living overseas I think this is a step in the right direction. But the article also says 'Voters using SERVE can register to vote and cast their ballots from any computer using Microsoft Windows with Internet access.' Why the Windows requirement? Is that really going to make online voting secure?"

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  1. Military Voters by agentZ · · Score: 4, Informative

    If they're testing the system with military voters, than using Windows is probably the only choice. There are a lot of bases where the desktop platform, by directive, is Windows. Running alternative software can be a violation of policy and mean Real Trouble(tm) for military members. They're not going to court martial anybody, but it can be a black eye on your record.

  2. Why Windows? And why not Palladium? by taped2thedesk · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the SERVE web site at http://www.serveusa.gov/public/aca.aspx:

    Do I need a special computer or software to use the SERVE system?
    No. If your computer, or the public computer you are using, meets the minimum computer requirements, you will be able to use the UOCAVA Voting System (UVS). The minimum computer requirements are:

    - Operating System: Microsoft Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, NT or XP
    - Internet Browser: either Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 and above or Netscape Navigator 6.x and above

    What browsers are compatible with SERVE?
    For security reasons, SERVE is only compatible with browsers with SSL 3.0 capabilities, which are listed below:
    - Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 and above
    - Netscape Navigator 6.x and above
    They make mention of the fact that Windows must be used for voting, but they don't explain the requirement. As far as I know, Mac OS, *nix, and Mozilla all support SSL3.0, so why arn't they included?

    This is somewhat unrelated, but still an interesting comment on their page:

    Does SERVE use Microsoft's Palladium software architecture?
    No, the Palladium software is not sufficiently ubiquitous at this time for use in SERVE.
    *Phew*...
  3. Not enough information by koreth · · Score: 3, Informative

    There isn't enough detail in the article to say whether "running Microsoft Windows" is actually a requirement, or just cluelessness on the part of the article's author. If it's a Web-based system (which, again, the article doesn't say one way or the other) then it shouldn't matter.

  4. Re:Excellent! by glenebob · · Score: 3, Informative

    > UPDATE candidates SET votes="0"
    > WHERE name="Your Opposing Candidate";

    ERROR: Attribute "0" not found

    Better check your SQL before going into voter fraud.

  5. Re:one reson why by neverkevin · · Score: 3, Informative

    they are not going to Bata test a new technology on a system

    I would hope this isn't a Beta test but more of a pilot program. 100,000 votes can make a big difference, see Flordia 2000. There should not be anything Beta in an actual election.

    Unless they are going to require a specific Windows plugin or program, there is no reason that this wouldn't work on any platform. If this is going to be on the web, I have done Web work for the government and they are very picky about accessability (people with disabilities, ie blind people, had to be able to access the site with special equipment). I have a feeling this has more to do with bad reporting then locking out other platforms. The article doesn't state who the author is (other then AP), but I am guessing (s)he is not a techie.

  6. Re:Excellent! by EverDense · · Score: 4, Informative

    > UPDATE candidates SET votes="0"
    > WHERE name="Your Opposing Candidate";

    ERROR: Attribute "0" not found

    Better check your SQL before going into voter fraud.


    Perfectly valid Microsoft Access SQL.
    Surely the new system will be run on Access?

    --
    http://jesus.everdense.com/
  7. No, no, no... you got it all wrong. by Theovon · · Score: 4, Informative
    Looks like someone's just being paranoid.

    There is nothing in the article which suggests that Windows is a requirement. It just says that you can access it from any Windows box with internet access. That means that Windows is sufficient, but it doesn't say it's necessary .

    What they're trying to address in the article is that since most people use Windows, then most people are going to want to know that they can access it from their home computers.

    It's like telling people they can get somewhere in a Ford. That doesn't mean they can't get there in a Chevy or a Nissan.

  8. Re:one reson why by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hidden passwords are not obscurity. They're just unknown data.

    On Linux, the source code of login(1) and su(1) is known, the algorhitm used to encode the password in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow is known, the format of those files is explained in a man page, and you even have mkpasswd(1) to encode passwords in the same was as in /etc/passwd. And still, I bet you can't get a password without using a bug or brute force.

    Even word readable /etc/passwd with passwords in it is quite secure if users use good passwords. Unfortunately that doesn't happen often.

  9. Re:Excellent! by Migrant+Programmer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Make sure to count the number of voters, not the number of people.

    Assuming turnout rates similar to 1996/1997.. I don't have US figures for 2000, but Canada's dropped 6% from 1997 to 2000.

    Canadian voters: 32,207,113 * 0.67 = 21,578,766
    US voters: 270,000,000 * 0.488 = 131,760,000

    Only 6 times as many voters! =)
    I like our voting system, it's simple and pretty much foolproof. It might take a little more organizing, but I don't see why it wouldn't scale further. The votes are hand counted at each local polling station, I believe. Results are sent by computer to Elections Canada.

    Sources:
    http://www.nwmissouri.edu/nwcourses/ma rtin/general /government/sld003.htm
    http://www.elections.ca/co ntent.asp?section=gen&do cument=res_table04&dir=rep/dec3097&lang=e&textonly =false
    http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?sectio n=gen&do cument=stat17&dir=rep/sta&lang=e&anchor=1&textonly =false

  10. Speak up! by Nucleon500 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please remember that we are Slashdot, we are numerous, and we are powerful. So go to the site, click Contact Us, and give them a piece of your mind. For that matter, you could even snail mail them something. When webmasters start getting tons of mail about allowing real browsers, they sometimes do it. And in this case, it affects voting, so it's very important. Surely a few hundred messages asking them not to discriminate on UserAgent headers, submitted before the system's even implemented, will widen their view.