Big Brother Gets a Brain

Gregus writes "The Village Voice delves into the DARPA's latest plan to track people and vehicle movement in cities, ostensibly for urban warfare, though this would be really handy watching 'suspicious' people in any city. "The goal, according to a recent Pentagon presentation to defense contractors, is to 'track everything that moves.' " The actual DARPA RFP and briefings. I just feel more safe all the time."

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Its amazing

[Cackmobile]

How orwellian our world is becoming. He must have had a time machine or something. Seriously if you havn't read 1984 you really should. Everything is coming true!!

Re:Its amazing

[Rogerborg]

It's an astonishing book, but the basic premise is that constant war is a means of keeping resources scarce, purely in order to maintain class distinction. If the plebians get too rich and well educated, they'll start to question why they need a ruling class at all, and the ruling class would rather be comfortable in a land of poverty than revoltingly rich in a land of plenty. The whole Big Brother culture is just a consequence of that (from the need to cover up the futility of the war), not the cause.

While it's true that USKA burns up hundreds of billions of USD a year (possibly a trillion if you count the stuff that isn't counted) in moving guns, tanks and bombs around the world, the goal does seem to be global imperialism rather than domestic scarcity. Sure, plenty of people are starving, but our middle classes are fatter and happier in terms of consumer toys than even the Inner Party in 1984.

Then again, that's pretty much what Winston Smith believes until he reads the book, so what do I know? The goal might be different, but the methods seem largely the same; an eternal war that can't be won against a foe with a constantly changing face, surveillance of citizens in the name of this war, arrest and detainment without due process, parading and show trials of prisoners for propaganda value, WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH, the whole works.

But I still can't figure out what the goal is. If it's merely self preservation for the incumbent autocrats, then that's understandable but both disappointingly unimaginative and largely unncessary - 98% of US Congressional incumbents already get reelected, and hereditary ruling dynasties are now as accepted in the USA as in Airstrip One. What more do they want? What is the point of moving further towards a police state? Any ideas?

Re:Its amazing

[Stiletto]

If you think the current U.S. "middle class" is rich and educated, you better take a closer look. Two parents each working 50 hours a week to pay off the mortgage and cars is NOT rich. Most of what in the U.S. is considered middle class lives to barely break even when you take into account personal consumer debt.

The U.S. middle class _IS_ the proletariat in 1984. They are oppressed and kept powerless not by a big brother-like watchful government (yet), but by the debt brought on by their consumption-based lifestyles.

I won't even get into the education level of the U.S. middle class. Look around you and draw your own conclusions.

Re:Its amazing

[Rogerborg]

Another interesting lesson in 1984 is that when Winston is inducted into the (anti establishment) Brotherhood, it is made clear to him that this is a suicidal act. He will die because of it. His best hope is to kill himself rather than being taken alive. He will receive no rewards, little contact, no secret knowledge, and he will not see his efforts rewarded within his lifetime. He will just serve, and then die.

And Winston still leaps at the opportunity. He commits himself to carrying out any act to weaken the power of the Party, to kill innocents, to "throw sulphuric acid in a child's face" without question, merely at the behest of his Brotherhood contact. Winston has no hope. He is already resigned to a pointless death, possible for something he didn't do. This way he feels that he has some control over his life and his means of passing.

When I read this, I paused to admire the stark clarity of the message. People with no hope become irrational. You can't reason with them, you can't threaten them, you can't bargain with them.

Israel discovered this to its cost years ago. Kill a child's family, destroy his future, take away all hope, and you craft a weapon for your enemies to wield against you. Shower someone with hatred all their life, and the first person to show them love will control them. Oceana is only just beginning to find this out, but we seem to be in full denial about it right now. Empty rhetoric won't console the Afghan and Iraqi orphans we created. Yes, Saddam created more, but that won't console the ones that we created.

Sorry, got a bit off track there, just wanted to mention that 1984 is a salient lesson in how to create terrorists, or specifically their pawns.

Re:Its amazing

[Rogerborg]

> Well, to be fair, those drugs never have been legal per se, just a bit less criminal.

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Unquestioning acceptance of the Party line? Plus good.

Read about the history of drug prohibition. It's come in piecemeal, and it's come because right thinking White Anglo Saxon Protestants want to protect niggers, chinks and spics from their own brutish, unevolved natures. If you think I'm trolling, read the link and read the quotes from eminent US statesmen.

The history of drug prohibition in the USA is a pretty repugnant one. Get back to me if and when we ever admit that, turn it around and legalize (not decriminalize) any of those drugs so beloved of Uncle Tom and his dusky skinned cohorts. We won't, because we'll always need to have a boogieman under the bed, smoking crack and planning to rape our white virgin daughters.

Re:Its amazing

[Planesdragon]

People with no hope become irrational. You can't reason with them, you can't threaten them, you can't bargain with them.

I wouldn't call them irrational--heck, I cringe whenever I hear someone dismiss someone else a "irrational."

When you have nothing, doing anything that might advance your cause is rational.

Oddly enough, the best way to defeat terrorism is to solve the grievances of the terrorists. Why should the palestineans suffer because Europeans feel guilty about mistreating the Jews, for example? Creating a new palestinean state is the best way to end the Infantadia. An even better way would be a semi-secular, ethnicity-blind Israel.

As for Afghanistan and Iraq--the best way to console the orphans we create is to leave these countries far better off than when we got there. If we turn them from rebel enemies to full partners and close allies, we won't have Israel's problems, because the people we orphaned will have hope and a reason to play the game by our rules.

Terrorism isn't irrational--but expecting people to bagrain with you when they have nothing and you offer nothing is irrational.

I knew it.

[flacco]

I pretty much guessed as much when the DMV in our state issued everyone new license plates. The primary difference was that the new kind are many times more reflective than the old ones, making them ideal for tracking via camera at lengthy distances.

Re:I knew it.

[Lord_Slepnir]

making them ideal for tracking via camera at lengthy distances.

Of course! It's not like they could be more reflective to make them easier to track via eye or anything. It MUST be big brother, right? Right?

If it bothers you that much, you can cover it up with some left over tin foil from your hat.

True Goals

[Jonsey]

It's like Newtonian Physics to them.

They just want to know where we are, and what we're doing at all times, so that they can extrapolate what we will do next, and thus know the future.

I mean, it's not like this raises privacy concerns or anything

Mod Note: Funny, Insightful, Interesting... g'luck, I think it's all just measuring our cycnicism right now : )

Shades of Oz

[Matey-O]

If Darpa is getting a brain, Does that mean Hussein is getting a heart, and the part of Dorothy is being played by Bush Jr?

(And introducing Ret. Gen. Powell as Toto.)

the cart before the horse

[rdewald]

The USGovt can't even manage the information they receive now. There are reams of information they had about the 9/11 plans that just didn't get invetigated, interrogations that are untranslated years after they happened, untold bytes that are simply stored and unexamined, we should abandon the notion that the government wants these capabilities to protect anyone.

The government wants this information because of a desire for power. Will this be used to scan for threats to the general public or to curtail and monitor the activites of those who threaten governmental power, like dissenting political activists? Look at the history of the abuse of the FBI by almost every executive administration for those answers.

This won't stop until the people pull the plug.

Coming soon...

[pubjames]

Guy: Hey, I was on holiday all last year, abroad. I didn't file a return because I didn't make any money.

IRS man: No you weren't. You were in San Francisco all year.

Guy: Oh. I didn't know you could find out that kind of thing.

IRS man: We have photos. Look, some of them are quite good.

Guy: Oh yes. Can I have a copy of that one of me selling stolen car radios at the beach?

IRS man: How about that one? Your hair looks really cool in that one.

Guy: Great!

IRS man: We'll add it to your bill...

Re:Is it really a problem?

[pubjames]

I'm not too bothered if someone is tracking where I go and where my car goes within a city.

You're obviously not married.

Jefferson says-

[paiute]

Jesus Tapdancing Christ. Don't you feel that there are people way too close to the levers of power who would be happy if every citizen reported to their local Patriotic Office every day to prove that they were not a terrorist (powder residue tests, full cavity search, lie-detectopr test)?

I'm praying for a rip in the fabric of spacetime that lets the Founding Fathers through. They would be bitch slapping these bastards so hard....

Re:Thanks for the editorializing

[TSMABob]

While you may not be in college or high school, its views like yours that let democracy fall. So Bin Laden trained a few hundred terrorists (because of our egotistical superiority over the middle east, but thats a whole 'nother topic)... does that give the United States any right to "suspect everybody"??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

The reason that people live in this great country is because people have the freedom to do what they feel is necessary to protect their rights. If someone wants to "steal gas trucks and ram them into office buildings," certainly the government should take steps to stop them from doing so, but not at the expense of giving up our personal freedoms such as the right to privacy.

Sure, its a scary world, and the possibilities are definitely endless for terrorists who want to blow shit up. But being so gripped by fear to give up your freedom to live your life is the most idiotic way to live I've ever heard. There are millions of people around the world living under that kinda of facist/militaristic rule, and I'd be willing to bet that any one of them would LOVE to trade places with you, with the ability to use the internet to look up information they never knew existed before, to drive around in a car wherever they want, and if they desire, to rise up against an evil government and overthrow them!

Tracking

[Dark Lord Seth]

'track everything that moves.'

Operator: Incoming segway! Incoming segway! Bearing 305 mark 5, heading 252 mark 8!
Commander: Sweet mother! IFF signal!?
Operator: Unknown, sir!
Commander: Damn it! Any units ready!?
Operator: Negative, fifth armour is stuck in a traffic jam at Main street!
Commander: Damn it all to hell! Get me NORAD on the line, someone inform the president!
Operator: Visual confirmation coming in by TrackSat2 Delta... NORAD will be notified, unable to notify the president sir!
Commander: Explain yourself!
Operator: The president is driving that segway, sir!
Commander: By all that's unholy...

Re:Is it really a problem?

[pubjames]

I don't do anything illegal online (warez, stealing music, etc) so I've nothing to worry about.

Sir,

it has come to our attention that you have been illegally hacking into private computer systems. Please report to your local police station to pay your fine and receive your forehead tattoo. Failure to do so will result in your termination.

Have a nice day!

USA Peopletackers(tm) Correction Unit Inc.

Foil hat

[not_a_george]

Yeah, but can they see me with my foil hat on?

Heisenberg

[worst_name_ever]

They just want to know where we are, and what we're doing at all times

Too bad for them, though, that keeping tabs on my position will cause them to lose track of my velocity...

Re:Is it really a problem?

[Rogerborg]

> I'm not too bothered if someone is tracking where I go and where my car goes within a city

Sure, because only criminals have something to hide. And you never do anything illegal in your car. You never speed, you never pick up a hooker, you never go and buy drugs, you never pick up anything that you've paid cash for and not asked about the sales tax. Likewise, your car will never be mistaken for someone elses, and you'll never turn the wrong way down Hooker Alley, or stop to ask directions from Peter the Pusher, and you'll never find yourself parking near a terrorist cell gathering, aka anti-government political rally, right? Right?

>I still have the privacy of my own home, which is the only place I really had privacy in the first place

Unless you're suspected of being a terrorist supporting drug user, in which case the police can use an IR camera to watch you through your walls.

But that's OK. You've probably got nothing to worry about. Not this week.

Re:UK Joke...

[min0r_threat]

For those not in the UK, the above comment is actually very funny. Feel free to laugh heartily and mod up, therefore conveying the image that a lot of UK people are reading this, and consequently making us feel more at home with the content!

Joking aside, being able to track vehicular activity is one thing, being able to identify the person or persons within that vehicle is an entriely different matter.

My brother is serving in Iraq now. Although the army is able to track all vehicles and pinpoint their movements, during the war they still attacked and killed people on their own side because they could not identify the people in those vehicles.

Only a minor detail but one which is pretty significant.

Re:more visible?

[TopShelf]

Unless your car is painted some absurdly flat black, your taillights are broken, and you drive around on moonless nights, I highly doubt the license plate makes a significant difference in your visibility to other drivers...

Hmm....

[Schezar]

In the true penny-arcade style, I propose the following:

We gather a large group in a major urban center. Taking our cars, we drive en masse along a pre-planned route that, to the pattern-matching machine, will appear as a giant wang on the map.

This wang will be awe-inspiring, perhaps enough-so to cause the AI in the machine to become envious, thereby destroying it.

President: What's that on the map? Some sort of terrorist cell!?

CIA guy: Ummm....

President: I want answers!

CIA guy: Well... It appears... to be a... wang, sir.

President: Wang, eh? That some sort of dirty bomb?...

When they say "everyone"

[Rogerborg]

That means DARPA employees, NSA, CIA, FBI, police, Congressmen, Senators, the Executive, Fortunate Sons of Blue Chip dynasties, [RI|MP]AA execs, Enron/Worldcomm/Haliburton CEOs, high class hookers, roofied teenage pop star wannabes, assorted Princes and diplomats from oppressive oil rich dictatorships, coke dealers, transexual Thai ladyboy dominatrices and all, right?

I ask this because it'll be very interesting to see if Freedom of Information extends to letting We, the People find out the locations of those people, and specifically, interesting intersections of them in space-time.

I'm betting not in practice ("National Security" == "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"), but it'd be nice to assert it in principle about now to hopefully give Them a chance to pause for thought.

I work in robotics...

[nicodemus05]

and I have to say that it is unbelievably hard to write algorithms that take an image and break it down into relevant data. What isn't even work for us (looking at an image and determining the license plate number of a car) becomes a huge strain on a computer processor, assuming that code can be written that performs the job reliably. The lower the image resolution is, the harder it becomes to glean anything from the picture. What is this 8 kilobits a second joke? Even if they can compress the video to that extent, I doubt any usable information would be retained. But, since I know that you can compress it that much, how do they plan on getting the data back to their central processing station? The infrastructure isn't there. Are they going to be running cable lines? Installing dial-up modems?

Even if they get the infrastructure set up, how do they implement this in our legal system? I figure that the images they have will be grainy, black and white, and of blurry, moving cars at night. I don't see how you can hand that to a jury and say, "Well, even though you can't see anything here, our program is nearly 87% certain that this car is in fact the car of the defendant." Is 13% reasonable doubt? Is 12%? We know that .5% isn't, or cases involving DNA evidence would be thrown out. At what point does jury duty become the analysis of quantatative figures as opposed to qualitative arguments?

To some extent I feel like a logical justice system is a step forward for society. At the same time, I'd prefer a trial by my peers, were I ever faced with the choice. Some day a jury deliberation may be number crunching:

"Well, the computer on 4th and Broad Street has determined with 75 percent probability that the defendant was moving towards the scene of the crime, and the computer on 5th and Broad Street gives us a 80 percent probability that he stopped at the scene. That gives us a 95% degree of probability that he was at the scene at the time of the murder. According to the Numerical Methods Act of 2015, we have to convict him."

Path of least observation

[asmithmd1]

The Institute for Applied Autonomy has a nice tool to plan paths through Manhattan that will take you past the fewest cameras. I imagine these kinds of tools will spring up in other areas

Or you can get ahead of them like I have. Get a tracking cell phone while it is still optional

Re:Is it really a problem?

[drooling-dog]

I don't do anything illegal online (warez, stealing music, etc) so I've nothing to worry about.

Well, this is exactly the central fallacy; i.e., that you only need to fear the unbridled power of the state if you're doing something illegal. It is a fallacy because it assumes that all agents of the government have perfect integrity and are interested only in diligently and dispassionately enforcing the law (which is itself perfectly fair and just) and getting the "bad guys" (who are truly bad, always, or else why would they want to get them?).

If this were true, then dictatorships in other countries should be utopias where the Bad Guys are thwarted and Good People (like yourself) live in peace and harmony. But it isn't that way, is it? Dictators - and people in the many layers of authority beneath them - have their own agendas that you won't read in any constitutional document. Maybe you're sitting pretty until some friend of the police chief decides he'd like to buy your house for a really good price, or until some government official notifies your boss that you voted the wrong way in the last election (since you don't need privacy, I mean).

It always amazes me how secure conservatives often feel about their own immunity after they sell out our freedom and liberty for the sake of the "culture wars" they're always talking about. They think that they can always ensure their own safety by whoring themselves to the wealthy and powerful. But eventually the winds don't blow they way you think they will, and you may discover yourself on the enemies list of someone who can do whatever the hell they please. And who will be left to defend your "rights" then?

If I want to talk PRIVATELY, I'll use an encrypted connection.

Of course your benevolent dictatorship that only goes after the Truly Bad will have no problem with your use of encryption.