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Matrix Reloaded on DVD Before Revolutions
SycloneFX noted that the Matrix Reloaded will be
available
on DVD on Oct 14, just 3 weeks before the release of Revolutions. This is noteworthy because normally there are large time spans between releases of DVDs and Sequels (although LotR had a special edition released only a few weeks before TTT).
I can't imagine why they wouldn't come out with it before Revolutions. There has to be some people who missed it in the theater, and others will want to refresh their memory (or remember where they were left hanging...)
Its plain stupid to be on a rush and go get the movies in separated DVDs, you'll end with less features, needing to sale them on E-Bay just to buy the final-special-edition.
A shame...
Carlos Niebla
The cliff-hanger at the end of Reloaded was retarded. Ooooh, the only survivor from the ship is the guy on table right across from Neo, NOOOOOOOOOO!
L A M E ! ! !
The Whatchamacallit brothers should cut their losses and and destroy any evidence of Revolutions before they release it and ruin their carears for good.
Since when did "Marketing Ploy" start meaning "Newsworthy"???
yes, let's boycott a product (completely legal action) and then obtain the copyright material through p2p networks (completely illegal action). if you want it, pay for it.
and all because an actor harrassed the producers of a film because they wouldn't succumb to his greed.
sorry, it doesn't work. crawl back in your hole.
Even better. Rip the DVD. Using VirtualDUB you can cut the scene out, then share it on Kazaa! I wonder how many people would even notice/miss it?
Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the
Looks like you missed something.
The single survivor is none other than Agent Smith.
The body is that of the person Smith punches in the chest, then dials out of the Matrix in Neo's prophecy/dream. He's also the guy who cut his hand up with a knife while preparing to stab Neo in Zion, before he was interrupted. Undoubtedly he's the reason the EMP went off early and caused the counterattack to fail miserably, too.
Does this strike anybody as disgusting, or odd.
No, not really. The Wachowskis came up with a story that would take 4-5 hours of screen time. They had several choices:
- Make one movie with a running time of 4-5 hours. This would never be accepted by theaters or Warner Bros.
- Cut half of the script, leaving one standard length film. No artist would want half of their work to be thrown out.
- Make two films, each of standard length. This obviously was the preferred choice.
Now, given that two movies were going to be made based on one plot, it made sense to film them together. If you prefer to think of it as one movie with a six month intermission, feel free.
ich muß mehr Kuhglocke haben
Let's see. Boycott the MPAA and the RIAA! And as someone else suggested in a recent thread a few days ago, boycott books as well. If you don't want to support something, that's all fine and dandy, but you have to pick your battles. If you start or join too many, you wind up injuring yourself, and not the intended party(ies).
There's only so much that geeks enjoy. Outside of computer hobbies such as programming and gaming, books, movies, and music make up the vast majority of down time for the average geek. What do we do when we decide to boycott all of them? Our down time will start to seem like work and become down-right depressing, because you're straining yourself to find something to do, when there's something you enjoy but you're forcing yourself not to.
For instance, I boycott McDonald's and the Olive Garden. As to why, I won't get into that. But if I decide to boycott all fast-food chains and restaurants altogether, I'm severely limiting myself as to what I can eat if I'm not at home, and even limiting myself when I am home, if everyone else feels like ordering out and such. I wouldn't be able to partake in dinner with my family and friends, which is considered by many to be a bonding experience. Why hurt me and hurt others and not eat and share dinner with my family and friends at the four star Chinese restaurant down the street, just because I don't like McDonald's and the Olive Garden?
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
I agree totally. To be continued is the cheapest most unprofessional ending ever. Its crap.
A good story has resolution. A soap does not. That ended like a soap and resolved NONE of the issues it brought up. It did not advance the story. I was NOT pleased. In fact I was very disappointed. They put too much money into frills and not enough into the fundamentals.
I'm no Matrix fan, but I have the DVD besause, you know, the whhooosh stuff. Anyway, I took my GF to see Reloaded, and I say this: if the first minute and the last minute of the movie totally destroy my suspension of disbelief, then how am I supposed to get into it?
I walked out of the room when I say The Matrix because of the junior high philosophy being thrown at me, but this was totally beyond that. This was absolute disregard for self consistancy. How do you get premonitions in the real world about what will happen in a computer simulation? How do you take your power out of that simulation and into the real world?
I saw a much better treatment of the whole "what is real?" philosophical mumbo jumbo in a movie called "The Thirteenth Floor." A computer company makes a simulation for people's amusement, and it explores the moral side of the AI problem. No great special effects, but a much more solid story line.
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That ended like a soap and resolved NONE of the issues it brought up. It did not advance the story. I was NOT pleased.
You are NOT very observant, then.
Here's how it worked. The Whatchamacallit Brothers went to Village Roadshow/WB and said, "Here's our script. It's 300 pages long."
VR/WB said, "Great. Love it. Cut 180 pages."
TWB said, "Uh... we'd rather not. How about we make a 5-hour movie instead and release it with an intermission?"
VR/WB said, "Uh... we'd rather not. How about you make two movies?"
TWB said, "Uh... we'd rather not. How about we make one 5-hour movie and split it down the middle, release 'em six months apart?"
VR/WB said, "How much money will this make us?"
TWB said, "Billions."
VR/WB said, "Okie-dokie."
As a result "The Burly Man," the sequel to "The Matrix," is a five-hour movie that's been split right down the middle (not especially at the best place, either) to turn it into two 2-1/2 hour movies.
You watched the first half, got up, and went home. And here you are, bitching about resolution.
I can't wait! You know, the motion picture industry is so much smarter than the music industry. When the music industry starts freaking out about sales, they start suing people. When the motion picture industry starts freaking out about sales, they start messing with new marketing schemes and incentives that actually give people a reason the buy their products. I hope we see more of this kind of innovation from the motion picture industry in the coming years.
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That is why I purchase media that I really enjoy. (Well, aside from the increased quality)
I want to reward stuff that I like, so they can keep on making more of that stuff. I'm voting with my wallet.
One of the problems I see, is that a lot of people don't vote with their wallet anymore, which skewers the types of projects that are undertaken. (Although when it comes to movies, the CW is rather positive I think)
YEs, which is why they release Terminator 3 in the States a month before they do over here, and then they wonder why people download films. The fact of the matter is most of the films I download I do so because I can't currently buy them. Maybe if they provided an actual product for us to "steal" sales from then they could have some sort of complaint.
-- John Linford
Who cares how much money it made? I want to see the number of tickets sold for each movie. Tabulating total ticket prices is irrelevant as there are so many different price points for tickets (matinee, weekend, cheap night, regular, adult, child, senior, youth, etc).
The only metric worth tracking is number of tickets sold. Yet no one ever tracks them.
It's not stupid to buy this DVD if it allows you to watch the first and second movie just before the third one comes out. I don't have an eidetic memory, so don't you think my enjoyment of the third movie would be heightened if I can have the previous one fresh in my mind when I see it?
What I think is stupid is to call other people stupid. You know nothing about me. My wants, desires, needs. My likes and dislikes. My IQ. My common sense. Calling me stupid is an insult to stupid people. Or something.
Pi. The Seven Samurai. Amadeus. Requiem for a Dream. You pretentious fuck: 90% of everything is crap, and that includes the film industry.
Unlike the AC that replied to your post, I'm not afraid to put my name to this.
When the motion picture industry starts freaking out about sales, they start messing with new marketing schemes and incentives that actually give people a reason the buy their products.
You mean how they release a movie on DVD, wait 6 months, then screw the customer when they intentionally release a special edition of the DVD with never-before-seen footage, extra commentary, etc...
They definitely give you a reason to buy their products, or re-buy their products..
Mark my words -- next year we'll see a Matrix trilogy boxset coming out, with extra content, etc.. that will leave all the people who bought the movies when they first were released on DVD, pissed off with no choice to once-again buy the same movie.
Yeah, until the Matrix Trilogy box set comes out, with 60 minutes of never before seen footage, extra director's commentary, etc...
What indications led you to believe that film was supposed to be an art?
I dunno, probably the intensity of the steps scene in Eisenstien's Potemkin, the sublimity of Kelvin's final vision of Earth in Tarkovsky's Solaris, Wender's angels watching over a divided Berlin in Wings of Desire . . . .
indications that film = art? hrmmm.... The Godfather, Ken Burns documentaries, Casablanca, some old westerns, hundreds others... Film, if done correctly, can bring to you everything a novel doesn't only minus literary technique. The combination of an exhilierating audio and visual experience that tells a story, makes an author's point, plays with ideas--how is that not art? If anything, film is the newest, most unmastered and yet most powerful artform that exists today.
Even The Matrix, I have never seen another movie that attempts to bring metaphysics to the big screen.
I think that's his point. Hateful or not, it brings in the money. Exploiting human psychology to sell a product is fine as long as everyone involved knows what's going to happen- yes, there will be a "value added" release several months after the original DVD is sold. Caveat emptor- let the buyer beware.
If you don't want to play their game then don't buy the initial product. It is a *choice* you must make- whether to succumb to instant gratification or delay gratification until a point where you can maximize your enjoyment. The motion picture industries are continuing a time-honored tradition of exploiting the human desire for instant gratification. Exploitative? Maybe. Cynical? Absolutely. Wrong? I don't believe so.
Personally, I think this plan is marketing genius- the people who see the DVD are going to remember how very cool the second movie was and will be even more exciting about seeing the third film. Cynicism aside, it's probably the best way to promote co-produced sequels like this, and I'm glad that for once the studios seem to be showing a little bit of respect for a film.
You mean how they release a movie on DVD, wait 6 months, then screw the customer when they intentionally release a special edition of the DVD with never-before-seen footage, extra commentary, etc...
How is that "screwing" you? You don't have to buy either version, you know.
My favorite quote from the Architect is how Neo is the integral sum of a set of remainders that accumulated over time.
Thus, not only is "Neo" an anagram of "One", he really IS "The One"... the integral sum of remainders. The number one.
I loved that. I dunno why, but I just thought it was cool.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
This makes perfect sense to me. I was thinking about it the other day. When people walk out of the theaters after viewing a great movie, they want to buy it on DVD. For most movies, this isn't possible, and the people have to wait. But if the movie they just saw was a sequel, and its predecessor is available for purchase, the people will run out and buy it. So, to release a DVD weeks before its sequel comes out is marketing genius. It hypes the upcoming sequel and itself, and if the sequel is great in the theaters, the first will sell great for the home.
That is friggin gut busting. Awesome.
In the early days of the Matrix they experienced problems due to free will and people wanting to have a choice. Certain minds could not accept the Matrix because they had no choice in the matter. These were the first people to be known as "The One".
Overtime, the machines devised a method of keeping the human mind content -- by offering them the choice. They could choose to live in the Matrix, or they could choose to live in "the real world" and fight against the Matrix. Hence, the red and blue pills.
What the humans fail to realise is that they are still within the Matrix. They believe they are in the real world, but that belief is the very chain holding them in the Matrix. The Matrix is multi-leveled.
The Architect explains all this (without actually calling the real world The Matrix). And, if you recall all that Morpheus tells Neo in the beginning of the first movie, it all makes sense. Add in the whole "something isn't right, I can feel them" scene with Neo and the Sentinels (reminiscent of Neo and the Agents from the first episode) and it all starts to come together.
It's my thinking that Neo is in a coma simply because his mind has figured out the truth, but he refuses to accept it (similar to his thinking in the first episode). In the first movie he had to die to accept the truth. Now, he just has to put himself into a coma to accept the truth.
Sure, it's not illegal, but it's not really immoral IMO. Plus, the only thing a corporation understands is monetary feedback. If you hold off on buying the movie, but buy it later when it has the features you want, then it sends a clear signal that you want the special features. Meanwhile, if you are going to buy it later, you're not stealing the content, you're getting an advance copy :D (Not that it's ever theft, it's copyright violation. But anyway.)
I'm sure tons of people are painting my comment as rationalization, and it is, as far as any justification for any activity is. After all, buying sneakers which are made in another country with what is essentially slave labor and thus denying your home country the revenues plus encouraging companies to move their labor overseas to save a buck or two isn't really bad, because those people would just starve to death, right? They're glad to make US$1 a day gluing soles and being exposed to noxious chemicals without protection!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Then we will learn the truth about Neo: he is really just another program in the matrix. After that we will get to watch the heart wrenching scene as he and Trinity say goodbye just before he frees her and the rest of humanity from the Matrix for good, thus killing himself. The End.
It seems likely that Neo is a program inside the Matrix. The Architect pretty much gives it away when he says to Neo: "It is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love.