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Want 12Mbits/sec for $21? Move to Japan.

gbjbaanb writes "Softbank, in Japan, has built a gigabit ethernet network to replace DSL over ATM, which costs peanuts to maintain and run. For $21 a month, Japanese users get 12Mb/sec, free VoIP (without quality loss) calls to users on the same network, (3c/min to New York), and DVD-quality movies. The company needs users to stay with the service for 15 months to break even, given that it is giving modems away for free."

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  1. Re:Serious Question by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Geography.

    Look at how densely packed Japan is. Look at the huge expanses of empty land in the states.

    Doing it here means wiring to every single family home. Doing it there means getting 1000 customers per apartment complex you hit.

    It's oversimplifying, but it's the truth.

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  2. Re:Serious Question by Shenkerian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Differences in population is probably a big factor, but I bet the dominant one is the US's government-granted monopolies on both telecommunication and coaxial cable infrastructures.

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  3. Re:Serious Question by Dysan2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Existing infrastruction is a definate. They wanna make more money on existing pipes, etc.

    Profit margins? Well, I think there would definatly be more long-term (5+ year) profit than anything.

    Lack of competition. This is an interesting one. I think the competition could very well exist, but it's a lot of funding which isn't available in this economy.

    I believe another point is population density. Though people in the sticks would LOVE to have this kind of bandwidth, it's probably not cost-effective to run lines out into a sparesly populated area. Then again, they do run phone lines without worrying too much.

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  4. Re:The rest of the story by Servo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's how 99% of all service businesses operate. To cover expenses you must have a certain level of customers. Until that break even point is reached then you are losing money per customer. That has nothing to do with the dot com stragety.

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  5. The difference between Japan and the U.S. by nemaispuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The difference doesn't necessarily have to do with population density and size, it has to do with adoption of technology both in the industrial/technological and consumer bases. American companies try to milk every last dime out of a technology before they adopt anything new (HDTV sound familiar)? And even then they complain that it will cost them billions, wah, wah! I have a great idea, bring a Japanese ISP over, snap up some of that dark fiber and see how long some of these lame ass ISP's hold out against a company wanting to actually do something for its customer base!

  6. The downside of cheap international calls by ScottMaxwell · · Score: 5, Insightful
    3c/min to New York

    Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I worry about the trend toward cheaper long distance, especially cheap international calling.

    Why? Well, if you think telemarketing calls are bad now, wait until every business on the planet can afford to call you. Just like spam, but with your damn phone ringing off the hook 24 hours a day.

    You can bet there's somebody in Japan who can afford to bug you for 3c/min, if it helps them sell a few more useless widgets.

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  7. Standards vs. Competition/Innovation by chmilar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It might be due similar reasons why the Mobile Phone systems in Europe and Japan are so much better than in North America.

    In Europe, everyone decided to standardize on GSM for mobile phones. Then, they could focus on providing excellent service and services, instead of fighting over the "basics". They can move their infrastructure forward, instead of reinventing the wheel.

    In North America, the mobile providers picked different, incompatible technologies (even within the same company/network!). The idea was to foster competition and innovation. Instead, the whole thing has resulted in an annoying mess, and the customers have suffered.

    Europe still has a lot of competition in the mobile phone space, but it is based on open standards.

    The same situation happens with the "landline" phone companies. There is a lot of different technology out there, and a lot of "bridges" to glue networks together. Probably the only reason the networks interoperate at all is that they are built on top of a national infrastructure that was laid out before deregulation caused so much fragmentation.

    With a more uniform technology base, it would be possible to roll out new services cheaply and efficiently.

    You just have to be careful that the whole system doesn't stagnate because the standards are not flexible enough to move into the future, or that one company controls the whole thing, and it is too fat and happy to make progress.

    NTT, in Japan, probably has a nice infrastructure that allowed this network to be built. They probably learned their lessons from the Japanese TV and electricity fiascos (they have both PAL and NTSC TV systems, and both 110 and 220 volt power)!

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