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Office Surveillance: Locating And Tracking 802.11b

securitas writes "The NY Times recently ran an article about locating and tracking users of 802.11b WiFi networks in three dimensions using triangulation (Google) with multiple base stations. The goal is to create context-aware networks that can allocate bandwidth and provide location-based services such as uploading relevant information to a PDA. The article can be seen in a new light when coupled with the growth in workplace surveillance of employees by corporate executives (Google / short version at IHT) and the associated practical, ethical and legal problems. Interlink Networks 802.11 wireless detection and tracking white paper (PDF)." (This seems as good a place as any to mention Kensington's handheld 802.11 detector; they claim it to be the only such device on the market today. This is the cheapest detector I've seen; have the others all disappeared?)

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  1. Hmmm... by Kai_MH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think Radio Detectors work fairly well, too, but they don't tell you whether it's 802.11x or not, so I guess that is pretty good.

  2. How well does this work in indoor environments? by pv2b · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The signal gets weaker as it passes through walls. Therefore, the signal strength can not be easilly be correlated to a distance from the base station for purposes of triangulation.

    Triangulation traditionally relies on measuring distance through signal strengths and so is limited to an outdoor environment, where the signal loss per kilometer can be predicted with much greater accuracy than in an indoor environment.

    The article is short on technical details -- did they somehow also enter a 3D-model of how the building weakens radio signals, and use that in order to create three 3D-shapes at the point of intersection the transmitter can be located? Just like traditional triangulation, but with weirder shapes than simple spheres...

    Perhaps a better way would be to use "ping" to check the travel times, rather than the signal strength, compensating for any delays imposed by TCP/IP-stacks and hardware etc. Is this even possible, or is the Signal/Noise ratio just too low?

    1. Re:How well does this work in indoor environments? by pv2b · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then the slashdot article is also wrong.

      There is no way for the base station to know what direction the signal is coming from, since the antenna is omnidirectional, so I assumed it was using SNR's.

      I was under impression that the word triangulation could be used for both techniques, both using directional antennas, and by determining the distance to the receiver from several points and checking where circles intersect.

    2. Re:How well does this work in indoor environments? by tim.kerby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not always. It can work on direction or signal strength or combination of the two (especially in terms of radio aerials). For instance, lets say we are in open land with omnidirectional aerials. Direction cannot be known so we plot strength (equating approximate distance) on a graph. Where the circles overlap gives us an approximate position. This can be done with other aerial shapes and in three dimensions by working out the signal in every aera on the map. Imagine it as three circles with a gradient pattern strongest in the centre. The starting strength at the receiver determines where on the gradient we start and it gets lighter the further out by the law dealing with signal strength (such as the inverse square law). The darkest points on the map indicate potential locations.

      Given direction only, we draw three lines from our APs. Where they cross is the predicted location

    3. Re:How well does this work in indoor environments? by mlush · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There is no way for the base station to know what direction the signal is coming from, since the antenna is omnidirectional, so I assumed it was using SNR's.

      It would be possible to create a directional antenna using a tetrahedron of omnidirectionals and measuring the signal delay between them, I don't know if thats what they did though

    4. Re:How well does this work in indoor environments? by forged · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It has nothing to do with signal stength.

      Actually, it has everything to do with signal strength. I believe that the poster of the comment to which you responded to, meant that indoors you can't just assume that the signal strength will diminish on a more or less linear scale (or whatever) with distance.

      Take into account the thickness and materials of the floors and walls, the office furniture, the people inside packed lecture rooms, and you will understand what he meant. You cannot just assume that because signal from base station A is twice as strong as signal from base station B, that user is closer to B. It may be that there is some obstacle on the path to A weakening the signal, making it look loke user is several meters apart the triangulated position assumed from the signal strength alone.

      Ideally the calculations should be done based on knowlege of how well Wifi signals transmits through various indoors obstacles, and with a detailed map of the premices. But I can't think of anyone in their right mind who would want to do that unless they had considerable resources.

  3. Re:Kensington WiFi detector by pv2b · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And an LCD display showing ESSID's...

  4. Pretty stupid approach by dg1kjd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a pretty stupid approach from the communications theory point of view. 802.11b frames contain a pretty long preamble in front of the packet header and data payload. This preamble (basically 11-bit barker sequences convolved with a prn-sequence) have excellent autocorrelation characteristics since they must be used for time and frequency syncronization at the RX station.
    By cross correlating the received signal with the (known) barker sequence at all three base stations precision would be increased drastically as it would be possible to measure the actual time lag (->way) the signal took to the receiver.

    1. Re:Pretty stupid approach by pv2b · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Moderate parent up.

      At risk of being moderated as redundant here, I'll just attempt to clarify this.

      Finding positions through time measurements is much more practical in a wireless solution than using directional antennas, mostly since you don't want to get the packet loss incurred by using a rotating directional antenna, although it might look cool. :-)

      Signal/Noise ratio measurements, that the people mentioned in the article is doing, is problematic becuase the unpredictable nature of radio wave signal weakening (I don't know the technical term), although they seem to have tackled that problem to some degree of accuracy.

      However, the speed of light is constant never mind how weakened the signal is, making it an excellent way to determine distance from the base station. This is in essence what GPS does, and also why it needs to carry along precise atomic clocks.

  5. Re:Simpler solution by mashx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Yup, agreed, then the doctor/surgeon/nurse just needs to read the patient code, and retrieve the info from the server. Wherever they are.

    But rather than the bed, why not just put it in the wrist tag that most patients wear now? Then you wouldn't get any mix ups in the nursery, or any problems when patients go walkabout.

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  6. Not that new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Positioning in office environments using WLAN really isn't that new. Microsoft did it in 2000 with the RADAR system (http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/bahl00radar.html), and loads of people have tried since.

    There are two approaches to it:

    1. Use signal strength to estimate range and then multilaterate. This usually does a poor job because you can't match distance reliably to signal strength because of wall attenuation etc. Also, most WLAN systems quantize the signal strength into a few bins. :-(

    2. Pattern recognition. Have a calibration phase where you put the device in lots of positions around the office, measuring the signal strengths to various stations. Record all this. Then try to match what you're seeing to this database of strengths to localise yourself. Problem is, the radio environment changes VERY easily, so you need lots of points in calibration. Plus, if the environment changes, so do the signal strengths!

    The best I've seen for a WLAN system achieved accuracy to about 2 metres. That used quite a few WLAN dase stations, too. And they had a fair error on that too - enough that you wouldn't be able to guarantee which office you're in...

    Location indoors is a tricky business. It's an active research area. The best so far is based on ultrasonics (the Bat system at (www.uk.research.att.com/bat). UWB looks good too (www.ubisense.net).

  7. other wifi finder dissapeared... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    there used to be idetect, from www.idetect.co.sg.
    based in singapore, i mailed them for prices, but they only had a product samples available, no real production was going on. now their site is down, have they dissapeared? their wifi finder was featured in wired magazine a few months back.

  8. Erricsson does the same with GSM by Peer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Erricsson MPS allows for location aware services on GSM phones. I've seen a demo from a WAP (hehehe) site that showed your location on a map, but that was a few years ago. I haven't seen anything after that.

    ERRICSSON'S MOBILE POSITIONING SYSTEM (MPS)

    The Ericsson mobile positioning system (MPS) (to be delivered to the Taiwanese company) is a server based solution that allows positioning services to be introduced into any GSM network that has Ericsson switching systems. The system will work with any GSM standard radio network and all existing GSM phones. At the heart of the Ericsson MPS is the mobile location centre (MLC), a system that allows user applications to access position information for GSM phones. An application programming interface (API) will be available to allow the development of custom applications. The MLC also handles access security and protects subscriber privacy by allowing GSM users to choose whether or not their phones and other devices are tracked.

  9. Could this stop war-driving? by KrunZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Could this be used to stop war-driving, by not letting anybody in that hadn't the right 2d/3d position (eg: inside the company)?
    It would probably not stop sniffing, but possibly it could prevent a break-in?

  10. = a new security method? by huntz0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It occurs to me that this system could seal a major hole in the concept of wireless security. As we all know, the biggest problem with trying to lock down a wireless network is that it's basically just a radio broadcast and anyone within range can easily tap into the signal (whether they can get anywhere from there is another matter, but theoretically it's always possible to crack through software guards). But if the triangulation worked well enough, then a system could be set up to, say, detect if a client is sitting on the ground in the alley next to the building, and if so shut off the connection to that client. Or it could be used to limit wireless access to only clients in certain offices or floors - no access for random people in the lobby, for instance.

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    1. Re:= a new security method? by RevMike · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was thinking the same thing, but with a public twist...

      It is my opinion, which I know many share, that public hotspots are cheap enough that many businesses will soon provide free access as a loss leader. A potential problem is, however, that without a fee based subscription, there is substantial risk that free-loaders will use the internet access without using the services of the business.

      As an example, I live withing 500 feet of a Starbucks. I have clear line-of-sight from my roof. With an appropriate antenna I can use the hotspot to tie my home network to the internet. The only thing stopping me now is that Starbucks charges $30 a month - and my cable modem is $50 a month - not enough savings for the trouble. But if Starbucks started offering it for free...

      A system like this, implemented inexpensively, would allow the hotspot provider to insure that only people in their establishment could use the service.

      Did anyone else read the subject and interpret ":=" as the PL/SQL assignment operator?

  11. Not that novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    About 3 years ago, researchers at MSR created a system called RADAR, that tracks users based on RF signal strength. At around the same time, researchers at MIT created Cricket, which does the same thing, but with auxilliary hardware.

    The novelty here is simply *tracking* users instead of letting users locate themselves, and then optionally telling everyone else where they are. That's what makes this story sexy (oooh, they can see where I am!) But, users are much more likely to adopt one of the above approaches to location.

  12. Prices and usefulness by v1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Following the links, Kensington doesn't list an MSRP or sell it directly, but the other links indicated the "going rate" for the toy is $22.00, and I think that's well within budget for a computer toy.

    It could really use an external antenna though. If it had this, (or if the unit itself exhibited some amount of directional reception?) then it would be much more useful to find the actual location (down to say, which building on the storefront) the hotspot was at. The closer bench gets the better connectivity!

    Maybe someone will post a hack shortly that shows how to jurry-rig an antenna port on the little bugger. I'd also like to "me too" a previous post that suggested an external power connection. Just keep the puppy sitting on your dash whilst driving around town until the green lights start climbing up.

    Was anyone able to spot where these could be bought at? (this really looks like something ThinkGeek would carry)

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  13. Re:"On the Market Today" by naner42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bought mine yesterday at the local Best Buy and they had at least a dozen. There's probably not a huge demand for this in Indiana though...
    The thing doesn't work all that well. You press the button, then for two minutes it scans. I was 10 feet away from my WAP and it didn't show a signal. 8 feet: full signal, 12 feet: full signal - all within line-of-sight. It's a fun toy for $30, but It'd not a very practical/reliable tool.
    Although it is fun to walk around downtown holding this little credit-card looking thing and acting like you're searching for radioactive emmisions... People get nervous when you point it at them and yell "Ah ha! It's YOU!" especially when it's right in front of a Borders book store and it's lit up like a Christmas tree.

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  14. i hope the concept of office surveillance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    does not surprise anyone.

    whereas before WiFi, a boss had to actually get up and ask around "have you seen Joe?" now he asks a computer by clicking on Joe's computer icon.

    having worked in low-tech high surveillance offices before, I can tell you that this approach to managing people creates a really nasty environment. I can only imagine how much a high-tech high surveillance office would breed employee paranoia.

  15. Re:Simpler solution by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a whole market niche in medicine for location tracking, which includes beds, patients, and equipment. If seen products based on RF, and the RFID things are just starting to influence these products.

    I've also seen products based on IR, where there are sensors along the ceilings and the IR transmitters are on the tops of devices to be tracked.

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    One vendor's explanation here

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  16. Cisco Wireless LAN Solution Engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I don't believe this is covered by an NDA, because it was presented to the "general public" at Cisco Networkers 2003 and certain questions could not be answered in this general session because the speaker said he didn't know who had an NDA or not (implying anything he presented was not covered). So...

    The 2.5 version of the Cisco WLSE due out in the Fall timeframe is supposed to have rouge AP detection. You would import the floor plans of your building into the system and place the APs where they are installed. The APs would use a new protocol to report information up to the WLSE (using a WDM [Wireless Domain Manager I think]) to store all the info (the WLSE would pull the info from this device, which right now is a designated AP but is supposed to be moved up into switch and router code so that they could host the information). You can then display maps with "hot" spots indicating the true triangulated location of rouge APs.

    Other features include the ability to do a FA (Facilities Analysis) by using a special mode that temporariy puts all APs on the same channel and at max power. You would then walk the premesis with a laptop and it would take readings. The WLSE then would automatically program all the APs with appropriate channel information, and power ratings, for the best coverage.

    Another big feature is that if an AP were to die the WLSE would automagically program the surrounding APs to boost their power to cover the "hole" in coverage temporarily until the AP could be replaced.

    Technology is also supposed to be integrated into the CCX equipment, which almost all other vendors have signed up for, so that you can get true RF bandwidth utilization. So, not only APs but wireless cards in laptops, handhelds, etc, will all participate in taking bandwidth readings (how much of the time is someone transmitting) to create a true reading. It may also be possible (this is just a guess on my part) to create "hot spot" projections on your imported maps, so that you are told where a lot of wireless users are congregated, prompting you to install additional APs and lower the power on them so that you create more "cells" that are smaller to handle the larger load.

    All in all, some pretty neat technology.

  17. I haven't seen this referenced... by Bagheera · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One pertinant thing I noted in the article was the following:

    As part of that work, Dr. Junglas modified a Wi-Fi network that operated in the business school's two buildings so that each of its many base stations had a radius of about 15 feet.

    Emphasis mine. This is an insanely dense network of AP's! At over $100 a pop for a cheap one, it seems wildly impractical to simply use stock access points with software corelation to figure out where people are - assuming such density is required.

    In a commercial deployment, AP's are going to be deployed in such a way as to give good coverage without costing too damn much. ie: as few AP's as will give adequate coverage for the site.

    There are other solutions, of course. Using a phased array antenna (sorry, no cool rotating dish) to get a direction and using signal strength to approximate range (random attenuation in the site will have a large affect on accuracy) or using multiple antennas in fixed locations to triangulate a source location (the more vectors you can get, the more accurate your fix will be) Using signal timing between different AP's (time difference between arriving signals) is plausible, but would add considerably to the cost (current AP's aren't equipped with ultra accurate clocks and transmission times over the network aren't accurate enough for the purpose.)

    Phased arrays for direction finding use precise measurements between antenna elements to get their accuracy. They effectively use a harmonic tone to determing the shift angle between antennas, and thus the relative direction to the source. Accurately placing and orienting the AP's would be vital.

    Locating wireless source points isn't exceptionally hard, and could be rather useful. But accuracy costs. Existing AP's would give limited accuracy, so this study used lots of them. More acurate location capability on an AP would cost more.

    Take your pick.

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  18. Travel times is much better, but... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The signal gets weaker as it passes through walls. Therefore, the signal strength can not be easilly be correlated to a distance [...]

    Perhaps a better way would be to use "ping" to check the travel times, rather than the signal strength, compensating for any delays imposed by TCP/IP-stacks and hardware etc. Is this even possible?


    It's possible. But IMHO indoors the variability of the response time of the processor to the message will probably introduce far too much jitter for the result to be useful. Finding the right neighborhood, or even the right house, yes. Finding the right desk, no.

    But I understand that some of the underlying net-discovery and scheduling protocols (where the cards are talking directly to each other and picking times to transmit) give you a much better measurement of transit time, which may be good enough for the purpose.

    Perhaps someone with more intimate knowlege can fill us in.

    = = = = =

    Given a good measure of transit time, two base stations can construct a hyperboloid on which the mobile is located. (With uncertainty it's actually the space between two hyperboloids.) Add a third and you intersect two hyperboloids, giving you a curved line. Add a fourth and you've got it located to a single point (or two points if all four bases are in the same plane).

    It's basically GPS or LORAN run backward (with an extra base station relative to LORAN to give you altitude, since you don't know you're "on the ocean's surface").

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