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Sensor Networks for NBC Threats

Nerdsville writes "Planet Analog have an article describing research into a nationwide sensor network that could provide a real-time early-warning system for chemical, biological and nuclear threats across the US. Researchers plan to use microelectromechanical systems (MEMS) and nanotechnology to create accurate biological and chemical sensors. Linked in an Internet-like peer-to-peer network spanning wireless, wired and satellite links."

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  1. NBC threats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like that godawful Will and Grace show?

  2. The only threat from NBC by curtisk · · Score: 5, Funny

    is that Friends will continue for many, many years.

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  3. Early Warning System already exists by TrekkieGod · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nukes give out a big flash of light which will tell you when they've hit. You should then remember to duck and cover. The mushroom cloud should help to warn those outside the range of the flash.

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    1. Re:Early Warning System already exists by SlayerofGods · · Score: 4, Funny

      Soilder: Theres something wrong with the sensor network! Officer: Whats wrong with them? Soilder: They were blown up by the nuke.

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    2. Re:Early Warning System already exists by mav[LAG] · · Score: 4, Funny

      Soilder

      Soilder? As in Soil Der Pants? I know I would if a nuke was incoming.

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    3. Re:Early Warning System already exists by Thing+1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Soilder? As in Soil Der Pants? I know I would if a nuke was incoming.

      I know this is a joke, but it's really interesting as to why we soil our pants in times of crisis.

      It's evolutionary: prey, when running from predators, would take a dump in order to "lighten the load" so to speak. It's not much, but every ounce counts when your life is on the line.

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  4. NBC? by binaryDigit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a real-time early-warning system for chemical, biological and nuclear threats

    Next time they should order the words the same as in the acronym (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) so those of us who are not terrorism experts can stop wondering why the peacock network poses such a threat to our well being.

  5. They'll use something else by dorfsmay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Terrorist will use use something else that governments aren't looking for. For example the US was ready for an invasion by planes missiles etc... but on Sept. 11, the terrorists used something nobody expected.

    I think the different governments should spend more money on trying to understand the causes of terrorism, and try to eliminate it at the source (which one could argue they already do with the war on terrorism).

    You'll notice the article only mentions airborne threat... What about water ?

  6. Re:Will it warn us that Will and Grace are about . by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it could warn us when NBC is about to put on one of its cheesy shows it would be worth it.
    That's already done -- the network has agreed to limit crappy shows, they now will only air on days ending in "y"

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  7. Misread Title by Flamed+to+a+Crisp · · Score: 5, Funny

    For some reason, I read the title as Censor NBC Networks for Threat

    Like you wanted us to censor the NBC TV network and then blackmail them or something.

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  8. Poor sensors by noah_fense · · Score: 5, Interesting


    I can see it now: thousands of people fleeing the subway when a sensor trips because someone lit up a cigarette underneath one. Now every ignores it when a real NBC attack comes around, just like the tsunami early warning systems in the pacific.

    This IS a gov't project, and this one is only getting funding because of people who watch the news too much and are becoming exactly what terrorists want: afraid.

    Also, politicians are aching to to jump on the "spend money on homeland security" bandwagon. 2004 is just around the corner . . .

    -n

  9. Re:A tool for us or them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I enlisted in the U.S. Army just before the 1st Gulf War and because of that had to go through more NBC training than most recruits. We learned how to donn our protective gear, decontaminate ourselves (including how to decontaminate your buddie's ass after he uses the latrine), and give ourselves injections against neurotoxins. But, privately, the Sergeants doing the training would tell you that NBC weapons are like lightning. You're either hit or you're not, and there's not a whole helluva lot you can do if you are, except kiss your ass goodbye. If you're going into an area that's been affected, then your MOPP gear does some good. Otherwise, they said, it's mostly there to give you courage and keep you from sneaking out the back way. And that's what this news is about. If you hear the sirens go off, you're okay. If you don't hear the sirens go off, you're either okay, or you're dead. So the information doesn't do you much good. It doesn't do the civil authorities a lot of good either. When the dead people start piling up and nobody can get anybody to answer a phone in NYC, it will eventually dawn on people what happened. Like so much post-911 action, this is like a doctor giving you a placebo to hide the fact that he either doesn't have a clue what's wrong or that he knows but can't fix it and doesn't want to fess up. Or maybe he's worried that you'll think the cure is worse than the disease.

  10. Re:Cause of terrorism already identified by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The worst and third worst terrorist attacks in recent American history were carried out by radical Islamic fundamentalists, yes. The second and fourth worst ... well, I don't think Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph had spent much time listening to the imams. Pretty much all fundamentalism is bad, mmmkay?

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  11. At Oak Ridge National Labs... by nicodemus05 · · Score: 5, Informative
    in Tennessee, meanwhile, a team of researchers has been working for 18 months on an underlying network architecture for a national sensor network.

    I work at the Labs, right down the hall from these guys. I play soccer with a man named Panos Datskos. He recently finished building a cantilever based electronic nose that has the potential to detect a single molecule. Datskos is working on a "universal" sensor that shares many of the same processes of a gas chromatograph to identify any substance. As described in the article, it uses very basic technology (a CD laser). It's also very compact, the size and shape of a discman. The coolest thing about the technology is that it functions in the ambient environment. It does not, like most laboratory equipment, require a vacuum, extreme temperatures, or special shock absorbance to reduce vibration. This is the kind of device that they'll be deploying to airports, I believe.

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  12. It was planned for by greenrd · · Score: 4, Informative
    For example the US was ready for an invasion by planes missiles etc... but on Sept. 11, the terrorists used something nobody expected.

    False.

    Sept. 11, 2001 - The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the federal agency that runs many of the nation's spy satellites, schedules an exercise involving a plane crashing into one of the agency's buildings. "On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001," according to a website advertising a homeland security conference in Chicago run by the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute, CIA official John Fulton and his team "were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way." Fulton is the head of the NRO's strategic gaming division.
    From Oh Lucy! - You Gotta Lotta 'Splainin To Do by From the Wilderness

    ""We couldn't possibly have known this."
    "We didn't know that airlines are subject to this kind of attack."

    It's almost one year after the attack on America and we know that these kinds of statements had been a lie.

    The CIA and FBI were warned by at least eight secret services and had thirty to forty indices about a possible attack with planes. The FAA had sent out five warnings to the airports about possible hijacks or similar incidents.

    On August 6, 2001 the CIA delivered a memo to George Bush about a terrorist attack. On August 23 the FBI released an "urgent cable".

    But the most damning evidence that something was known was the enactment of at least eight to ten bio- or regular terrorist exercises during 2000 and 2001.

    The last big one took place in June 2001 and another CIA exercise was confirmed for the day of September 11th!

    From http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AVE_STE.html

    It is beyond dispute now that Bush lied when he said the government had no idea this could happen. They had plenty of idea. This kind of idea had been speculated about for years.